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Does this seated dollar look original?

commacomma Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭
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I am very new to deciphering cleaned and non-cleaned coins...but I am trying to get better.
This is a seated dollar with toning that I love, but something just doesn't seem right. It is graded au-53 and in an NGC holder with no notations of cleaning, etc.
Just curious on your input. Thanks!

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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    IMHO

    She's just fine with me!
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    First reaction was dipped and now retoning.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no

    Tom

  • TwinturboTwinturbo Posts: 493
    IMO market acceptable

    You have to remember for a while cleaning coins was the norm in the 19th century
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin!
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No---Cleaned and retoned but still a nice looking coin.

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  • thisnamztakenthisnamztaken Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the look of it in your image.
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  • coinhunterscoinhunters Posts: 361
    It's a nice looking Seated Dollar. The coin has survived without any harsh remnants of a cleaning ( polishing ) , Nice grade and don't be overly concerned . It's completely Market acceptable even with the " Cleaning " .
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks are not deceiving , even though they can be.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, retoning after a light cleaning or cleanings, but market acceptable for the series. I would venture that the majority of seated dollars above VF have been cleaned at
    one time or another, and yet make it into slabs unless the cleaning was unusually harsh.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Once dipped, perhaps, but perfectly acceptable in my opinion. (And in NGC's as well, apparently.)

    I like it.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I once had a dream (and believe me, I almost NEVER dream about coins). But in this dream I had special powers and I could just blow warm moist air from my mouth onto coins like the one posted. It was the best dream because in this dream, I was actually able to give coins their originality back.

    I woke with the worst case of halitosis ever.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely dipped at one time. I'd have see it in person to say whether it is market acceptable for PCGS. Some of the high light colors in the photo give me reason to pause.

    Still it's attractive and chances are it will grade.
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  • commacomma Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the input guys!
    To clarify, the coin isn't mine...just one I was looking at.
    I knew it looked a little fishy (but beautiful at the same time)
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not original, and I do not like the look of it.
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Short answer to your question: No.

    But as many others have already said, market acceptable by today's standards. (But that's not what you asked, is it?)
    When in doubt, don't.
  • commacomma Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Short answer to your question: No.

    But as many others have already said, market acceptable by today's standards. (But that's not what you asked, is it?) >>



    Nope image
    Just trying to learn
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    I do wonder a little if the op's coin is a circulated proof. It looks to of been lightly circulated and was a proof like coin at least. I agree it is market acceptable. image
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The details are there for the coin, but I don't like the look from the pictures.
    I would not want it, at this stage of my collecting, as I have gotten quite a bit pickier about the quality of the coin - else I pass.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    AU Seated dollars mostly come in two flavors. Washed out, over-dipped white, or lack luster and drably toned in browns and grays, and in both cases they often have a lot of marks. One that has some pizzazz even if not wholly “original” is tough to find. An “original” example with pretty toning and sufficient luster to give it some pop is even tougher. Even MS examples are often unattractively toned in dusky colors that mute semi-proof like luster. The one you posted looks better than most to me even if not original.

    CG
  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭


    << <i>IMO market acceptable

    You have to remember for a while cleaning coins was the norm in the 19th century >>

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terrible images, hard to tell anything from them.

    You'd have to look at that coin in-hand to know.

    If there's doubt, don't purchase it unless there is a return policy.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Its not original

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, I would not call it original. Likely dipped but not improperly cleaned. I think PCGS would be okay with it.

    It's not a look I pursue but tastes differ.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks nice to me from here
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned and retoned.
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Definitely market acceptable look, in my opinion. It does not appear to be from the Proof
    dies, as was previously suggested, just a sharp business strike.

    I would be happy with this coin at this grade level.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probably in the top 30% of all seated dollars in that grade.

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  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    It's hard to tell from your pictures, but despite the possibility of a light dipping/cleaning and retoning, it is still an attractive coin.

    Here's mine, graded XF-45. I tried my best to get an original example of this type, but one is never 100% sure.
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