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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, Mike! (I think, lol.) Just don't give me that old Italian evil eye thingy! image


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    Holy smokes!!!

    That's incredible, and it just paid for your 75 Racks!!
    Miconelegacy Auctions
    "Live everyday, don't throw it away"
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Holy smokes!!!

    That's incredible, and it just paid for your 75 Racks!!


    Thanks, Mike!

    Just to clarify, though, this rack is not from the box we just bought. I had the Ryan rack in my collection already.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    estangestang Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭
    That Ryan cello is awesome!
    Enjoy your collection!
    Erik
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    Oh okay Grote, but it's still disgusting!!! It's a really nasty Rack Pack! Just sick, just so grouse!!

    Miconelegacy Auctions
    "Live everyday, don't throw it away"
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And since we're on the topic of 75 racks..

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    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,057 ✭✭
    Good Lord have mercy, that Ryan is sooooooo nice! I'm drinking a toast to you right now Tim.
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    cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And since we're on the topic of 75 racks..

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    Let me guess, you have a rack with Yount showing too, right?image
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Let me guess, you have a rack with Yount showing too, right?image >>



    I think that is one he is missing, but he does have him on top of a cello pack.

    I only have this.

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    Edited for spelling.
    "The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

    Collecting:
    Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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    << <i>And since we're on the topic of 75 racks..

    image >>



    ::weeps::
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
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    cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Let me guess, you have a rack with Yount showing too, right?image >>



    I think that is one he is missing, but the does have him on top of a cello pack.

    I only have this.

    imageimage >>




    Very nice Mike.
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's a 75 mini cello with Yount on top:

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    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, fellas! Getting back to racks, the 75 mini rack is extremely tough to find and come up for sale very seldom. I like these even better than theur full-size counterparts:

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    Edit to add: I really like the sale sticker offering this rack for .47, two cents less than the header card price, LOL!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    << <i>Thanks, Matt! Getting back to racks, the 75 mini rack is extremely tough to find and come up for sale very seldom. I like these even better than theur full-size counterparts:

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    Edit to add: I really like the sale sticker offering this rack for .47, two cents less than the header card price, LOL! >>



    the original buyer even got a "mini" discount on the pack! lol
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
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    MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,057 ✭✭
    MAMA!
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    daddymcdaddymc Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭
    I didn't even know there were '75 mini racks! Very cool. Now I have to have one.
    Currently working on: Kurt Warner PSA 9 or 10

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is probably my favorite 75 mini rack:

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    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    onefasttalononefasttalon Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭
    Someone ask about a Rack w/ Aaron on top/showing???

    Well... have this one:

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    ... the front isn't nearly as exciting as the backside....




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    .... I'm won't own this guy much longer as I've almost completed the sale of it.


    ALWAYS Looking for Chris Sabo cards!

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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭
    Russ, that is a great rack pack. The Aaron Highlights card looks like it is really well centered.

    Hope you do well on the sale!!! image
    "The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

    Collecting:
    Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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    aconteaconte Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭
    Wow!

    Nice stuff Tim! Nice pack with the Aaron cards too.

    aconte
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    BPorter26BPorter26 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great Al Bumbry card too. image You have an awesome rack, I never get tired of saying that.
    "EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE ON THE WALL" - JACKIE MOON
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    scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭
    Alright, it's Monday. Anyone gotten their packs yet???
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
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    aconteaconte Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭
    Got mine!

    They are very nice. No big stars on the front but all packs are clean without the thumb nail marks (except slight one on the Thomasson card).
    Actually, the five 1981 packs are in a little rougher shape to me than the 1975's. Many of those had some of the edge wear on the top card.
    I will be ripping those eventually.

    I don't have my regular scanner hooked up so sorry for the rough scans.

    Tony

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    aconteaconte Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭
    I have to say again I can not believe how sharp and clean the cards are. For almost forty years these were kept in fabulous shape.

    aconte
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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭
    Hey Tony,

    Those are some really nice rack packs. I can look at those all days long. image

    I'm leaving right at 5pm today, work or no work. I need to see my racks asap. image
    "The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

    Collecting:
    Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm leaving right at 5pm today, work or no work. I need to see my racks asap.

    Now, don't get Pam all excited for nothing now!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm leaving right at 5pm today, work or no work. I need to see my racks asap.

    Now, don't get Pam all excited for nothing now! >>



    I said "my" racks. image

    Plus, I'll know when I get home right away if they came as she'll have that "what the heck did you buy now look on her face". To which I reply, "It's only a couple of packs of cards, it's not like I bought a whole box or something". image
    "The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

    Collecting:
    Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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    scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭
    That's a sharp Ron Cey, Tony!
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    rack received. I may be ripping it later tonight.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rack received. I may be ripping it later tonight.

    Go for it!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,057 ✭✭
    UPS just drove right by, wanted to chase after him like a dog, but thought better of it.
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭
    I suggest everyone who rips should record the order of the cards in each cell and then post them.
    We may all learn something for the future.

    I'll start. Two racks received and ripped with the folloiwng results (in order from the cells of each rack)

    Rack 1

    High Number Cell - 507, 570, 510 (Blue), 531, 446, 539, 504, 611, 426, 549, 433, 562, 425, 617
    Middle Number Cell - 368, 341, 347, 386, 464, 468, 422, 475, 455, 461, 491, 274, 344, 351
    Low Number Cell - 99, 28, 26, 43, 194 (1956 Mantle MVP), 74, 232, 167, 159, 193 (1955 MVP Berra/Campy), 123, 63, 183, 218

    Rack 2

    High Number Cell - 560 (Perez), 615, 434, 577, 585, 293, 645, 573, 598, 567, 294, 569, 586, 452
    Middle Number Cell - 290, 409, 337, 444, 209, 340, 360, 333, 317, 495, 273, 487, 356, 298
    Low Number Cell - 144, 175, 96, 177, 173, 261, 206 (1968 MVP), 114, 66, 162, 253, 207 (1969 MVP), 184, 176

    Photos to follow later


    Dave
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent idea, 70Topps! The cards in the far left section furthest from the header card referred to by 70Topps as "high number" cards also bear a two-asterisk (**) designation on the bottom of the back of the card. 1975 Topps racks are also the only 70s rack in which the header card is typically located on the right side of the rack instead of the left side.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike, were the racks that amazing or are you still at work? image


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭
    Results from another 75 Topps Rack

    Rack 3

    High Number Cell -552, 460, 519, 626, 637, 624, 291, 575, 533, 596, 623 (Hernandez RC), 392, 619, 419
    Middle Number Cell -360, 333, 317, 495, 273, 487, 356, 298, 440, 499, 485, 330, 316, 329
    Low Number Cell -15, 213, 13, 228 (Brett RC, 62/38 LR), 185 (Carlton (50/50 LR)), 79, 99, 28, 26, 43, 194 (1956 MVP Mantle), 74, 232, 167

    Hope to see more sequencing posted.

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    Dave
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    << <i>Results from another 75 Topps Rack

    Rack 3

    High Number Cell -552, 460, 519, 626, 637, 624, 291, 575, 533, 596, 623 (Hernandez RC), 392, 619, 419
    Middle Number Cell -360, 333, 317, 495, 273, 487, 356, 298, 440, 499, 485, 330, 316, 329
    Low Number Cell -15, 213, 13, 228 (Brett RC, 62/38 LR), 185 (Carlton (50/50 LR)), 79, 99, 28, 26, 43, 194 (1956 MVP Mantle), 74, 232, 167

    Hope to see more sequencing posted. >>



    WINNING!!!!

    hows the TB centering? any tilt?
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭
    See above...

    IMO the T/B is just about 50/50 and no tilt. I'm crossing my fingers for a 9:

    MINT 9: Mint
    A PSA Mint 9 is a superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.


    Dave
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice Brett! I think you are between an 8 and a 9 on that one..they usually grade the star cards a but more conservatively, so I'm going to guess an 8.5, due to L-R centering.

    How's back look?



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    great Brett!

    i ripped mine last night and video'd it. i'll upload it later from work. no star power whatsoever but some were nicely centered.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice Brett! I think you are between an 8 and a 9 on that one..they usually grade the star cards a but more conservatively, so I'm going to guess an 8.5, due to L-R centering.

    How's back look? >>



    Thanks. Back is looking good. As for being more conservative on star cards, I don't see how PSA can claim to have Grading "Standards"
    if they do not apply them equally on all cards. If it is not "black and white" then its all subjective and the grades mean absolutely nothing.

    PSA MINT 9 allegedly requires:

    1) A superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders

    We seem to have that one covered as per the scan, but we'll have to see what a PSA grader says


    2) Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

    I digitally measured the front at 62/38 which is definitely between 60/40 and 65/35. Back is much better than 90/10.
    This requirement is definitely met.

    I'll submit it and we'll see.


    Dave
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    Nice card . Congrats and good luck.
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    << <i>Nice Brett! I think you are between an 8 and a 9 on that one..they usually grade the star cards a but more conservatively, so I'm going to guess an 8.5, due to L-R centering.

    How's back look? >>



    Thanks. Back is looking good. As for being more conservative on star cards, I don't see how PSA can claim to have Grading "Standards"
    if they do not apply them equally on all cards. If it is not "black and white" then its all subjective and the grades mean absolutely nothing.

    PSA MINT 9 allegedly requires:

    1) A superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders

    We seem to have that one covered as per the scan, but we'll have to see what a PSA grader says


    2) Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

    I digitally measured the front at 62/38 which is definitely between 60/40 and 65/35. Back is much better than 90/10.
    This requirement is definitely met.

    I'll submit it and we'll see. >>



    Yes, grading is subjective.
    From the scan, that does not look like a 9 at all.
    I'd say its in the 8 range due to centering. it's impossible to tell other factors based on a scan
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
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    scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭
    Was the Brett from one of the racks from this box? I see you opened two racks and then one more. Just wondering if my odds to pull a Brett went down... image
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭
    The rack that Brett came from was frm the box. I had an additional one from the BBCE website as well.

    I wouldn't worry too much about the "odds" of seeing more Brett cards though. I do not believe it to be
    as simple as 24 racks x 42 cards and 660 cards in the set so therefore 1.527 of eachcard in a rack box.
    I have several duplicates from the two racks that came from the box (including the 1956 MVP with Mantle)
    and I'd be willing to bet we'll see a few more in the remaining 22 racks.

    That's why I suggested recording the card order from each cell and posting it. It will give everyone a better
    idea of sequencing for future rack purchases.


    Dave
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>Nice Brett! I think you are between an 8 and a 9 on that one..they usually grade the star cards a but more conservatively, so I'm going to guess an 8.5, due to L-R centering.

    How's back look? >>



    Thanks. Back is looking good. As for being more conservative on star cards, I don't see how PSA can claim to have Grading "Standards"
    if they do not apply them equally on all cards. If it is not "black and white" then its all subjective and the grades mean absolutely nothing.

    PSA MINT 9 allegedly requires:

    1) A superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders

    We seem to have that one covered as per the scan, but we'll have to see what a PSA grader says


    2) Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

    I digitally measured the front at 62/38 which is definitely between 60/40 and 65/35. Back is much better than 90/10.
    This requirement is definitely met.

    I'll submit it and we'll see. >>



    Yes, grading is subjective.
    From the scan, that does not look like a 9 at all.
    I'd say its in the 8 range due to centering. it's impossible to tell other factors based on a scan >>



    If the standards are to mean anything, then it wont be centering that brings this card down to an 8. You can't allow 60/40 to 65/35 and
    say that a card that is 62/38 is NOT within the standard. Whether they can find other issues is going to be subjective, but if it were held
    down due to centering issues then the whole grading thing is essentially a bunch of BS. PSA wouldn't be so foolish as to risk undermining
    their own integrity.


    Dave
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    70Topps, grading, however, is quite subjective, as cards often come back with higher or lower grades if cracked out and resubmitted. It's also been my experience, based on submitting quite a few 75 baseball cards, that PSA is just a bit more conservative when it comes to grading star cards, and I'm sure others here have experienced that as well. That Brett is a sharp card, but visually the centering is distracting enough so that I doubt it will come back Mint 9, but I can definitely see it in a 8.5 holder, as the half-grades were created for cards like these, imo...cards that are superior to the grade below (in this case, an 8) while exhibiting some characteristics of the grade above (in this case, a 9).

    Edit to add: The snow in the black background of "ROYALS" may also be slight detriment.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭
    I got tied up yesterday (not literally Tim) and didn't get a chance to post the scans. A couple of White Sox greats showed up, unfortunately for the White Sox though they were great for another team. image

    Sorry 70Topps, I never rip any of my 1975 rack packs so I scanned the fronts and backs for everyone to see. The rack packs are very sharp.


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    "The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

    Collecting:
    Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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    scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭
    Nice Goose, Mike! Those look great. Here's a phone pic of mine (sorry) and I'll rip one of them later, probably the top one. No star power showing, just a Mad Hungarian on the back.

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    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
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    Indy78Indy78 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭
    1) A superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders

    Actually, this part is what I see as holding the card at an 8. The green and purple border are very mildly faded and there is stray light blue print on the purple background. In my experience, the colors on the front border need to be both vivid and clean to get a 9. I hope I'm wrong, but that is my opinion based on direct experience with the 75's.

    It's a beautiful card nonetheless. Congrats on a great pull!
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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Jarrod,

    Looking forward to seeing the results of your rip. There should be some sharp cards in there. Don't forget to write down the sequencing.

    David said he was going to load a video of his rip later. I think I'll have to invite company over. image

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    "The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

    Collecting:
    Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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