You know what really grinds my gears?
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When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!
You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?
-Paul
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Ha! Don`t get me started!
"boy they got that one wrong by two points"?
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
bob
<< <i>Don't ya wanna just choke a dealer that takes your MS65 Morgan in PCGS plastic and says
"boy they got that one wrong by two points"?
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
bob >>
So, the dealer thinks your Morgan is an MS67?!
<< <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR! >>
That's why you don't sell specialty items to general dealers.
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<< <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR! >>
That's why you don't sell specialty items to general dealers. >>
I don't. I'm talking about selling to guys with trays of toners.
-Paul
<< <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!
You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?
-Paul >>
I have seen dealers that will not pay premiums for vibrant color. They also don't really mark them up for that color either. On occasion you can get a nice toner from them without the toning mark up. Some of them don't understand the market and some of them understand it very well and remember when white was king.
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<< <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!
You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?
-Paul >>
I have seen dealers that will not pay premiums for vibrant color. They also don't really mark them up for that color either. On occasion you can get a nice toner from them without the toning mark up. Some of them don't understand the market and some of them understand it very well and remember when white was king. >>
I love those guys! I've gotten some STUNNING coins for Greysheet.
-Paul
The name is LEE!
1) Dealers who are out and out rude to me and
2) Dealers who ignore me when I am in front of their table, wanting to look at a coin, because they are "too busy" talking to their friends (the latter are not people who are also in front of their table looking at coins).
There are other dealers from whom I rarely buy coins because they charge full retail, and I don't think it is necessary for me to pay their high prices, but I don't harbor any animosity toward them.
The first two types of dealers are individuals / entities from whom I will never buy any coins under any circumstances. Oni su šupci.
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"Sou Mangueira......."
Gets me when a dealer wants GS Ask plus 10 or 20 % for his and
wants to credit yours at 20 or 30 % back of bid.
But you know I don't really get mad I just, Move Along Sonny
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<< <i>Don't ya wanna just choke a dealer that takes your MS65 Morgan in PCGS plastic and says
"boy they got that one wrong by two points"?
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
bob >>
So, the dealer thinks your Morgan is an MS67?! >>
Only once they've bought it for 63 money.
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<< <i>Gets me when a dealer wants GS Ask plus 10 or 20 % for his and
wants to credit yours at 20 or 30 % back of bid.
But you know I don't really get mad I just, Move Along Sonny >>
I think you will be moving along forever
Not quite a coin story but similiar- Bought a 50 cal a few weeks back at a gun show, as i was wheeling it out and down a few isles to pick up another gun i was bombarded by dealers wanting to buy it. ( at about 1/2 the going rate) The gun dealers with nothing but crap were the worst.
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3. Pizza stains on undershirts
4. Loupe around neck, belly over belt, shirt tail hanging out
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6. Receding hairline, but hair bursting out of nostrils and ears
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Gold plated modern coins should have topped the list
He ended up buying the roll, so no harm, no foul I guess, but if I were that dealer and he didn't buy them, I'd be ticked!
-Paul
Larry L.
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When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!
-Paul >>
Lack of lube as you approach those dealers?
I don't mind when they pull out a grey sheet for toners.........but I really get geared off when they pull out the blue sheet.
roadrunner
Why are coin shop guys so grumpy!!??
<< <i>Y'all quit picking on the poor dealers. >>
Hey- those guys have it tough. When they won't sell to collectors for prices the collectors want to pay, it's because the dealers are greedy. And when they won't buy from collectors at prices the collectors want to sell for, it's because the dealers are greedy.
<< <i>Same thing for slabed AU58 coins they sell for 20-30% back of AU50 >>
Just like when dealers say ALL VF coins sell for 20-30% back of bid for VF20....including VF35s....saying all VFs are the same.
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A) An obvious neophyte approaches the store counter or show table and tries to feign superior knowledge, ending up making an a$$ of themselves.
Another dealer comes to the table DURING a show and wants to be quoted wholesale on semi-key and key date coins, but when I ask for reciprocity, they look at me like I'm speaking in ancient aborigine.
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1) People who will ask the same question 4 or more times expecting a different answer because they didn't like the answer
2) People who complain that we sell things for a price higher than we pay for them
3) People who refuse to answer about what they are looking for and then complain that the product is not in front of them
<< <i>Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" >>
God, that would SO piss me off, just on principle alone. I hate it when people don't handle coins properly, no matter how "widgety" they might be...
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<< <i>Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" >>
God, that would SO piss me off, just on principle alone. I hate it when people don't handle coins properly, no matter how "widgety" they might be... >>
I had a dealer do that to me a few years ago.. He had rolls of ASE's and AGE's, I told him the years of ASE's and years of 1/10oz AGE's i wanted and he poured out the rolls grabbed a coin from each roll with thumb and finger in the fields tossed em in flips (2 coins per flip) and threw them on the glass case. Now every single coin from him has 2 big ol prints on them. I know it's bullion and not much $$ to them but if your going to sell it at least have some respect for the person buying...
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<< <i>Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" >>
God, that would SO piss me off, just on principle alone. I hate it when people don't handle coins properly, no matter how "widgety" they might be... >>
I had a dealer do that to me a few years ago.. He had rolls of ASE's and AGE's, I told him the years of ASE's and years of 1/10oz AGE's i wanted and he poured out the rolls grabbed a coin from each roll with thumb and finger in the fields tossed em in flips (2 coins per flip) and threw them on the glass case. Now every single coin from him has 2 big ol prints on them. I know it's bullion and not much $$ to them but if your going to sell it at least have some respect for the person buying... >>
I would have nicely asked to have those replaced, and if he refused I would have just walked out of the store. That dealer sounds like someone that I would not want to deal with.
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wants to credit yours at 20 or 30 % back of bid.
True story on some cheap stuff: I was set up at a show one time had a page of the 1999 minus 1 of the canadien quarters all unc's. there was a lady that was trying to finish her set at one end pf the table and a (brief case dealer) at the other end that had the one I was missing so I asked how much he wanted for it because she needed it for the set. He whipped out his redbook and said book says $10 so how about $7. So what do I do Well I laughed and said I'm selling them for 50 cents apiece why on earth would I pay you $7 for one and walked away. So what have we learned It's a two way street.
<< <i>so I asked how much he wanted for it because she needed it for the set. He whipped out his redbook and said book says $10 so how about $7. So what do I do Well I laughed and said I'm selling them for 50 cents apiece why on earth would I pay you $7 for one and walked away. >>
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing about the value of a particular item, is there? I guess I don't see how being rude to someone about it helps.
You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?
Lots of stuff. Impatient collectors or dealers that don't want to wait to look at stuff that I am looking at is one. When I have a box of coins i expect others to wait until I am done with it as I would for them. I was at a Fort Washington show looking through a box of coins when this big ugly (and I mean ugly) guy was going from table to table asking for Barbers (Coins i.e.) He was actually talking in a whiny almost desperate voice. That is the box I was looking at when he came to this table. I let him look at it so he would stop his whining. When he was finished he kept looking in the dealers case but was standing in my light, so I just waited for him to get done and he says in a not too nice tone. "Am I bothering you." WELL DUH!! (he did not buy anything by the way) . I just kept my cool -didn't say anything and he finally left. I think he was president of the AAA (American A--hole Association).
Another pet peeve is when dealers put their brief cases on top of a dealers case that has coins that I want to look at. I now just pass them by, there are many dealers that don't allow that so I can look at their stuff. Or how about a dealer hardly ever being at their spot on a coin show. Why rent a space if you are going to not be there most of the time? Then they complain about how bad the show was-WELL how can you do business if you aren't there most of the day?
<< <i>Or how about a dealer hardly ever being at their spot on a coin show. Why rent a space if you are going to not be there most of the time? >>
Not every dealer who takes a table at a show is there to do retail sales.
I have stated before that i would not buy and sell coins on a 10 percent spread but blatant lying grinds my gears. I have not tried to sell anymore coins to dealers at shows since that time. I sell thru Heritage or my ebay account.
Last year at the big Fort Worth show i saw a nice NGC common date nickel in a national dealers case. I ask to look at it. Before he even opened the case he said the coin was ms65 money. He said the coin was undergraded ( it was a ms61 on the slab) I told him i was still intereested and he handed it to me. I told him i did not believe it was a 65 but if he so desired and felt so strongly that i would pay to have NGC regrade it and pay what ever grade it came back at . NGC was set up about 30 feet away. He would not do it. lol
So i guess my biggest gripe is dealers that have 200 coins in the display boxes and that every one is at least 3 points undergraded.
I am not cut out to be a coin dealer, i would hate to have to stoop that low to make a living. For every Mark Feld, Laura, CRO etc there are 20 that fly the other way. Gun dealers have the same business plan also.
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<< <i>There's nothing wrong with disagreeing about the value of a particular item, is there? I guess I don't see how being rude to someone about it helps. >>
Nothing wrong with the value of the item. I replied to this thread from the dealers side of the table to try to get the dealer bashers to see it from the dealers point of view. Here's a different example: collector brings the dealer a VF grade 1938-d walker grey sheet $90 dealer offers 45-50% Why because you can get XF grade generally sell for about $60-65 somtimes even less. But the dealer is a rude arrogant crook because he wont buy the dead money for said reason. And there are many many examples like this in the coin collecting world. And just for the record the dealer on the MS-66 RD indian that dealer should have been arrested on the spot for attempted grand larceny. There is no need for dealers like that in the hobby AT ALL.
<< <i>You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you? >>
<< <i>Lots of stuff. Impatient collectors or dealers that don't want to wait to look at stuff that I am looking at is one. >>
<< <i>Another pet peeve is when dealers put their brief cases on top of a dealers case that has coins that I want to look at >>
Yes all of this used to get under my skin when I used to set up. I have sent many impatient people away because of rudness to other customers. One time I had a guy looking for bullion grade walkers and interupted a customer and I so I quoted him like 30-35% over melt he never came back to see me again. And similar situations for the dealers and there breifcases on my cases. Never tolerated it at all.
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<< <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR! >>
That's why you don't sell specialty items to general dealers. >>
Precisely.
If you don’t want to have your gears ground, then don’t try to sell specialist material to generalist dealers, and don’t try to sell items to dealers that are not within their specialty.
When I was dealer, I didn’t buy and sell toned Morgan dollars. I would not make offers one them. If you twisted my arm for an offer I would have given you “gear grinding” price. Conversely if you had offered me a rare Civil War token, I would have paid a good deal more than most any of the dealers who marketed toned Morgan dollars.
Dealers are under no obligation to buy coins from you at the prices you think they are worth. A dealer has to make a profit to stay in business. If something does not fit within a dealer’s business plan he has not good reason to buy it.
<< <i> 1) Dealers who are out and out rude to me and
2) Dealers who ignore me when I am in front of their table, wanting to look at a coin, because they are "too busy" talking to their friends (the latter are not people who are also in front of their table looking at coins).
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I hate that. I haven't been to many National shows, only 4 I can think of, but at every one there was a couple dealers who totally ignored me, even when I was the only one at their table.
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<< <i> 1) Dealers who are out and out rude to me and
2) Dealers who ignore me when I am in front of their table, wanting to look at a coin, because they are "too busy" talking to their friends (the latter are not people who are also in front of their table looking at coins).
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I hate that. I haven't been to many National shows, only 4 I can think of, but at every one there was a couple dealers who totally ignored me, even when I was the only one at their table. >>
If the dealers ignore you, then perhaps you are better off not buying from them.
I had one guy tell me my business was not worth his while after I spent $5,000 at his table. Needless to say I didn't burden him with my business again. It was interesting to note that I watched him go from a multiple table booth at the national shows to one lone table in the middle of a row, and then he disappeared. I guess it got to be too much trouble for him to deal with people who would only buy a few thousand dollars worth of stuff from him.
Get yourself a floor seat at the stacks or heritage auctions and pay the big boy direct.
bypass the dealer. sell the same way, at auction. at least...for the most part...youre not getting scre**ed around and wherever the chips fall...its easier to accept.
<< <i>If the dealers ignore you, then perhaps you are better off not buying from them. >>
I don't, even if I wanted to, I couldn't because they ignored me. Believe me, if a dealer at an empty table doesn't acknowlege me within a minute, I'm out of there. It just amazes me how poor customer interaction SOME coin dealers exhibit.
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