Home U.S. Coin Forum

You know what really grinds my gears?

image


When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!


You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?



-Paul
«1

Comments

  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not putting in the Clutch???
  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin related with dealers that annoys me??

    Ha! Don`t get me started!
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't ya wanna just choke a dealer that takes your MS65 Morgan in PCGS plastic and says
    "boy they got that one wrong by two points"?

    Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,152 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't ya wanna just choke a dealer that takes your MS65 Morgan in PCGS plastic and says
    "boy they got that one wrong by two points"?

    Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

    bobimage >>



    So, the dealer thinks your Morgan is an MS67?!
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,182 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR! >>

    That's why you don't sell specialty items to general dealers.
    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR! >>

    That's why you don't sell specialty items to general dealers. >>



    I don't. I'm talking about selling to guys with trays of toners.



    -Paul
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Offer to trade them yours at sheet for one of theirs.
    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In a perverse back door way, they are telling you the True value of 'toners'.


  • deviousdevious Posts: 1,690
    Uh, I was just told by a guy who came by today to look at my coins to possibly purchase them that all of my tarnished coins would only be worth 30-40% of GSBID and that they would all have to be regraded because of the tarnish. I kept my mouth shut. I just wanted to see what somebody would offer me on some or all of my collection.
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!


    You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?



    -Paul >>



    I have seen dealers that will not pay premiums for vibrant color. They also don't really mark them up for that color either. On occasion you can get a nice toner from them without the toning mark up. Some of them don't understand the market and some of them understand it very well and remember when white was king.
    Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!


    You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?



    -Paul >>



    I have seen dealers that will not pay premiums for vibrant color. They also don't really mark them up for that color either. On occasion you can get a nice toner from them without the toning mark up. Some of them don't understand the market and some of them understand it very well and remember when white was king. >>




    I love those guys! I've gotten some STUNNING coins for Greysheet. image



    -Paul
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭
    While it doesn't really "GRIND MY GEARS" it does bother me when a dealer sells "self attributed" FS-xxx raw Kennedy Halfs yet won't even make an offer on a PCGS attributed high grade example of a Kennedy Half.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I try to focus on the times when I select a better date/grade Barber coin from a case and the dealer pulled out his greysheet image
    Successful BST transactions with 171 members. Ebeneezer, Tonedeaf, Shane6596, Piano1, Ikenefic, RG, PCGSPhoto, stman, Don'tTelltheWife, Boosibri, Ron1968, snowequities, VTchaser, jrt103, SurfinxHI, 78saen, bp777, FHC, RYK, JTHawaii, Opportunity, Kliao, bigtime36, skanderbeg, split37, thebigeng, acloco, Toninginthblood, OKCC, braddick, Coinflip, robcool, fastfreddie, tightbudget, DBSTrader2, nickelsciolist, relaxn, Eagle eye, soldi, silverman68, ElKevvo, sawyerjosh, Schmitz7, talkingwalnut2, konsole, sharkman987, sniocsu, comma, jesbroken, David1234, biosolar, Sullykerry, Moldnut, erwindoc, MichaelDixon, GotTheBug
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only things that get me annoyed are:

    1) Dealers who are out and out rude to me and
    2) Dealers who ignore me when I am in front of their table, wanting to look at a coin, because they are "too busy" talking to their friends (the latter are not people who are also in front of their table looking at coins).

    There are other dealers from whom I rarely buy coins because they charge full retail, and I don't think it is necessary for me to pay their high prices, but I don't harbor any animosity toward them.

    The first two types of dealers are individuals / entities from whom I will never buy any coins under any circumstances. Oni su šupci.
    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."

  • Gets me when a dealer wants GS Ask plus 10 or 20 % for his and
    wants to credit yours at 20 or 30 % back of bid.

    But you know I don't really get mad I just, Move Along Sonny image
  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Same thing for slabed AU58 coins they sell for 20-30% back of AU50

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,032 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Don't ya wanna just choke a dealer that takes your MS65 Morgan in PCGS plastic and says
    "boy they got that one wrong by two points"?

    Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

    bobimage >>



    So, the dealer thinks your Morgan is an MS67?! >>


    Only once they've bought it for 63 money.
  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Gets me when a dealer wants GS Ask plus 10 or 20 % for his and
    wants to credit yours at 20 or 30 % back of bid.

    But you know I don't really get mad I just, Move Along Sonny image >>



    I think you will be moving along forever
  • This content has been removed.
  • Permanent stickers and scratched cases. I know the saying is "don't buy the plastic," but I can't help it when flaws on the plastic draw my eye. I guess I'm a bit OCD.
  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Greysheet bid and ask is joke IMO. While it may work for bullion the thought of 10 percent mark-up is way out dated on most stuff. I am not a fan of dealers but i would have issues buying 100k of coins at bid and then try to sell them at ask.

    Not quite a coin story but similiar- Bought a 50 cal a few weeks back at a gun show, as i was wheeling it out and down a few isles to pick up another gun i was bombarded by dealers wanting to buy it. ( at about 1/2 the going rate) The gun dealers with nothing but crap were the worst.
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    A little sand?
    Paul
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Garlic breath
    2. Whining
    3. Pizza stains on undershirts
    4. Loupe around neck, belly over belt, shirt tail hanging out
    5. Grey Poupon
    6. Receding hairline, but hair bursting out of nostrils and ears
    7
    9
    10...



    shall I go on ?

    Gold plated modern coins should have topped the list image
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Y'all quit picking on the poor dealers.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" image

    He ended up buying the roll, so no harm, no foul I guess, but if I were that dealer and he didn't buy them, I'd be ticked!


    -Paul
  • littlebearlittlebear Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭✭
    Rude, arrogant, and ignorant people - whether they be collectors or dealers. People who demonstrate no respect for others deserve none themselves.


    Larry L.


    image
    Autism Awareness: There is no limit to the good you can do, if you don't care who gets the credit.
  • tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image


    When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR!






    -Paul >>



    Lack of lube as you approach those dealers?
  • pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭✭
    you know what really grinds my gears...that you get the same bid for a VF20 as you do for a VF30 when dealers use the sheets.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?

    I don't mind when they pull out a grey sheet for toners.........but I really get geared off when they pull out the blue sheet. image

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • TURBOTURBO Posts: 494 ✭✭✭
    In all my years of buying both I have found two places that you can walk into with pockets full of money to spend and get treated rudely. Gun shops and Coin shops....unless they have seen you spend lots there before that is.

    Why are coin shop guys so grumpy!!??


  • << <i>Y'all quit picking on the poor dealers. >>

    Hey- those guys have it tough. When they won't sell to collectors for prices the collectors want to pay, it's because the dealers are greedy. And when they won't buy from collectors at prices the collectors want to sell for, it's because the dealers are greedy. image
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Same thing for slabed AU58 coins they sell for 20-30% back of AU50 >>

    Just like when dealers say ALL VF coins sell for 20-30% back of bid for VF20....including VF35s....saying all VFs are the same. image



    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners. :smile:
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I only get torqued in two situations, as a dealer:

    A) An obvious neophyte approaches the store counter or show table and tries to feign superior knowledge, ending up making an a$$ of themselves. image

    B) Another dealer comes to the table DURING a show and wants to be quoted wholesale on semi-key and key date coins, but when I ask for reciprocity, they look at me like I'm speaking in ancient aborigine. image

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
    http://www.americanlegacycoins.com

  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    I will give a few as a B+M dealer

    1) People who will ask the same question 4 or more times expecting a different answer because they didn't like the answer
    2) People who complain that we sell things for a price higher than we pay for them
    3) People who refuse to answer about what they are looking for and then complain that the product is not in front of them
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777


    << <i>Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" >>



    God, that would SO piss me off, just on principle alone. I hate it when people don't handle coins properly, no matter how "widgety" they might be... image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !


  • << <i>

    << <i>Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" >>



    God, that would SO piss me off, just on principle alone. I hate it when people don't handle coins properly, no matter how "widgety" they might be... image >>




    I had a dealer do that to me a few years ago.. He had rolls of ASE's and AGE's, I told him the years of ASE's and years of 1/10oz AGE's i wanted and he poured out the rolls grabbed a coin from each roll with thumb and finger in the fields tossed em in flips (2 coins per flip) and threw them on the glass case. Now every single coin from him has 2 big ol prints on them. I know it's bullion and not much $$ to them but if your going to sell it at least have some respect for the person buying...
  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Ok, I'll quit picking on the dealers. How about this. At the Lakeland coin show the other day, there was an older guy looking through a BU roll of 1888-O Morgans. I noticed he wasn't holding them properly, with his fingers on the fields of the coins. I SO wanted to say something, but I just watched. Then I literally LOL'd when he holds one up to the dealer WITH HIS FINGERS ON THE COIN'S FIELDS and says "there's a fingerprint on this one!" >>



    God, that would SO piss me off, just on principle alone. I hate it when people don't handle coins properly, no matter how "widgety" they might be... image >>




    I had a dealer do that to me a few years ago.. He had rolls of ASE's and AGE's, I told him the years of ASE's and years of 1/10oz AGE's i wanted and he poured out the rolls grabbed a coin from each roll with thumb and finger in the fields tossed em in flips (2 coins per flip) and threw them on the glass case. Now every single coin from him has 2 big ol prints on them. I know it's bullion and not much $$ to them but if your going to sell it at least have some respect for the person buying... >>




    I would have nicely asked to have those replaced, and if he refused I would have just walked out of the store. That dealer sounds like someone that I would not want to deal with.
    Instagram: nomad_numismatics
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been told by many dealers that shows have "show pricing" where auction results mean nothing, other price guides and population reports mean nothing, slabs mean nothing. The only thing that matters is sometimes what the gray sheet says and most of all what a particular coin can trade at within the confines of THAT SHOW. It's like ignorance is bread in there sometimes.
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners. :smile:
  • Gets me when a dealer wants GS Ask plus 10 or 20 % for his and
    wants to credit yours at 20 or 30 % back of bid.

    True story on some cheap stuff: I was set up at a show one time had a page of the 1999 minus 1 of the canadien quarters all unc's. there was a lady that was trying to finish her set at one end pf the table and a (brief case dealer) at the other end that had the one I was missing so I asked how much he wanted for it because she needed it for the set. He whipped out his redbook and said book says $10 so how about $7. So what do I do Well I laughed and said I'm selling them for 50 cents apiece why on earth would I pay you $7 for one and walked away. So what have we learned It's a two way street.


  • << <i>so I asked how much he wanted for it because she needed it for the set. He whipped out his redbook and said book says $10 so how about $7. So what do I do Well I laughed and said I'm selling them for 50 cents apiece why on earth would I pay you $7 for one and walked away. >>

    There's nothing wrong with disagreeing about the value of a particular item, is there? I guess I don't see how being rude to someone about it helps.
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you?
    Lots of stuff. Impatient collectors or dealers that don't want to wait to look at stuff that I am looking at is one. When I have a box of coins i expect others to wait until I am done with it as I would for them. I was at a Fort Washington show looking through a box of coins when this big ugly (and I mean ugly) guy was going from table to table asking for Barbers (Coins i.e.) He was actually talking in a whiny almost desperate voice. That is the box I was looking at when he came to this table. I let him look at it so he would stop his whining. When he was finished he kept looking in the dealers case but was standing in my light, so I just waited for him to get done and he says in a not too nice tone. "Am I bothering you." WELL DUH!! (he did not buy anything by the way) . I just kept my cool -didn't say anything and he finally left. I think he was president of the AAA (American A--hole Association).
    Another pet peeve is when dealers put their brief cases on top of a dealers case that has coins that I want to look at. I now just pass them by, there are many dealers that don't allow that so I can look at their stuff. Or how about a dealer hardly ever being at their spot on a coin show. Why rent a space if you are going to not be there most of the time? Then they complain about how bad the show was-WELL how can you do business if you aren't there most of the day?


    image


  • << <i>Or how about a dealer hardly ever being at their spot on a coin show. Why rent a space if you are going to not be there most of the time? >>

    Not every dealer who takes a table at a show is there to do retail sales.
  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    A few years back at a local show i was looking to sell a pcgs ms 66 indian cent in red. I ask a few dealers who would be a likely buyer for it and a few named the same dealer. I walked over to his table and asked him if he was interested. I took the coin and looked it over. Whipped out the trusty greysheet and said he was a buyer at 125 bucks. I said i was surprised that was all the coin was worth, as i would have thought it would have been a lot more than that. He flipped back over to the page in the greysheet and said nope, 125 is the high end for that coin. I ask if i could see his greysheet and he said no that it was only for dealers and only dealers could get it. I flipped my folder open and grabbed my greysheet and said mine only goes to ms65.

    I have stated before that i would not buy and sell coins on a 10 percent spread but blatant lying grinds my gears. I have not tried to sell anymore coins to dealers at shows since that time. I sell thru Heritage or my ebay account.

    Last year at the big Fort Worth show i saw a nice NGC common date nickel in a national dealers case. I ask to look at it. Before he even opened the case he said the coin was ms65 money. He said the coin was undergraded ( it was a ms61 on the slab) I told him i was still intereested and he handed it to me. I told him i did not believe it was a 65 but if he so desired and felt so strongly that i would pay to have NGC regrade it and pay what ever grade it came back at . NGC was set up about 30 feet away. He would not do it. lol

    So i guess my biggest gripe is dealers that have 200 coins in the display boxes and that every one is at least 3 points undergraded.

    I am not cut out to be a coin dealer, i would hate to have to stoop that low to make a living. For every Mark Feld, Laura, CRO etc there are 20 that fly the other way. Gun dealers have the same business plan also.
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"


  • << <i>There's nothing wrong with disagreeing about the value of a particular item, is there? I guess I don't see how being rude to someone about it helps. >>

    Nothing wrong with the value of the item. I replied to this thread from the dealers side of the table to try to get the dealer bashers to see it from the dealers point of view. Here's a different example: collector brings the dealer a VF grade 1938-d walker grey sheet $90 dealer offers 45-50% Why because you can get XF grade generally sell for about $60-65 somtimes even less. But the dealer is a rude arrogant crook because he wont buy the dead money for said reason. And there are many many examples like this in the coin collecting world. And just for the record the dealer on the MS-66 RD indian that dealer should have been arrested on the spot for attempted grand larceny. There is no need for dealers like that in the hobby AT ALL.


  • << <i>You guys have anything coin-related that annoys you? >>



    << <i>Lots of stuff. Impatient collectors or dealers that don't want to wait to look at stuff that I am looking at is one. >>



    << <i>Another pet peeve is when dealers put their brief cases on top of a dealers case that has coins that I want to look at >>

    Yes all of this used to get under my skin when I used to set up. I have sent many impatient people away because of rudness to other customers. One time I had a guy looking for bullion grade walkers and interupted a customer and I so I quoted him like 30-35% over melt he never came back to see me again. And similar situations for the dealers and there breifcases on my cases. Never tolerated it at all.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,138 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When you're showing a dealer a really nice common-date Morgan toner and they pull out their Greysheet. Hello, you're paying for the COLOR! >>

    That's why you don't sell specialty items to general dealers. >>



    Precisely.

    If you don’t want to have your gears ground, then don’t try to sell specialist material to generalist dealers, and don’t try to sell items to dealers that are not within their specialty.

    When I was dealer, I didn’t buy and sell toned Morgan dollars. I would not make offers one them. If you twisted my arm for an offer I would have given you “gear grinding” price. Conversely if you had offered me a rare Civil War token, I would have paid a good deal more than most any of the dealers who marketed toned Morgan dollars.

    Dealers are under no obligation to buy coins from you at the prices you think they are worth. A dealer has to make a profit to stay in business. If something does not fit within a dealer’s business plan he has not good reason to buy it.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,418 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> 1) Dealers who are out and out rude to me and
    2) Dealers who ignore me when I am in front of their table, wanting to look at a coin, because they are "too busy" talking to their friends (the latter are not people who are also in front of their table looking at coins).
    >>


    image

    I hate that. I haven't been to many National shows, only 4 I can think of, but at every one there was a couple dealers who totally ignored me, even when I was the only one at their table.

    DPOTD-3
    'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'

    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


    Don
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,138 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i> 1) Dealers who are out and out rude to me and
    2) Dealers who ignore me when I am in front of their table, wanting to look at a coin, because they are "too busy" talking to their friends (the latter are not people who are also in front of their table looking at coins).
    >>


    image

    I hate that. I haven't been to many National shows, only 4 I can think of, but at every one there was a couple dealers who totally ignored me, even when I was the only one at their table. >>



    If the dealers ignore you, then perhaps you are better off not buying from them.

    I had one guy tell me my business was not worth his while after I spent $5,000 at his table. Needless to say I didn't burden him with my business again. It was interesting to note that I watched him go from a multiple table booth at the national shows to one lone table in the middle of a row, and then he disappeared. I guess it got to be too much trouble for him to deal with people who would only buy a few thousand dollars worth of stuff from him.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the dealers upset you then buy like they do.

    Get yourself a floor seat at the stacks or heritage auctions and pay the big boy direct.

    bypass the dealer. sell the same way, at auction. at least...for the most part...youre not getting scre**ed around and wherever the chips fall...its easier to accept.
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,418 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If the dealers ignore you, then perhaps you are better off not buying from them. >>


    I don't, even if I wanted to, I couldn't because they ignored me. Believe me, if a dealer at an empty table doesn't acknowlege me within a minute, I'm out of there. It just amazes me how poor customer interaction SOME coin dealers exhibit.

    DPOTD-3
    'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'

    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


    Don

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file