Here's my 2 cents...forgive me, I did not read through the entire thread.
1) BST listing at X price 2) Potential buyer OFFERS lower than asking BST price ($365) 3) Seller has not officially accepted the offer of the potential buyer but "sets" a price ($370) and expects the buyer to pay them without acceptance of this new price 4) Seller is butthurt because potential buyer is not a mind reader and doesn't know that the seller price ($370) was "a done deal price." (Note: $365 is NOT $370--any change in dollar amount needs to be agreed upon by both parties) 5) Buyer goes elsewhere.
Edit...
OP, you ARE totally butthurt over $5. If you claim you aren't upset over a $5 misunderstanding, you clearly have other issues you should work out prior to exposing yourself to the public world. If you told the buyer, in your original reply, "I'll accept $365+shipping, the price would be $370," then I would understand the issue here. However, you just demanding a price implies that you wont accept the buyers offer and that you want $5 more for it. That is a counteroffer and needs to be agreed to by the buyer before you should "expect" payment.
<< <i>I see where he said he'd take one for $365, but when you countered for $370 I don't see where he accepted. >>
I get that impression too. He offered 365 and from using the ebay example, intended it to mean shipping included. Seems that you countered with your BST price of 370 shipped. I realize the intent of each party is not easy to ascertain from the verbiage, but that's may take on it. I conclude no price was agreed upon, there was just offer and counter offer. >>
Fully agreed! He said he'd take one at $365......you countered at $370. Yes its just a $5 difference, but it still is a COUNTERoffer.
I agree and have done so. That said there are some others that have posted things here that are shall we say as you have "over the top" or more than just there opinion on the facts.
I for one will agree that is ALWAYS the case. Doesn't make it right, just a little hypocritical of those who've done so. Am I the only one that gets what Metalsman is saying? This has nothing to to with the PRICE. As I read and interpret it, it has to do with the questionable inquiring and "sort of" commiting to buy, then claim to have technical issues to get out of that commitment, all be it, flimsy imo. Let's take Metalsman on his word that others have pm'd him saying tizofthe tried doing the same thing to them. With that said, we should take tizofthe on his word that he truly did have technical issues and choose to move on when unable to communicate. That is why I asked last night on this thread if that could be proven. I think that is key to this matter. This is kind of making a mountain out of a mole hill, but I can understand the point that is trying to be made by Metalsman. Would I have handled it the same? Probably not, but I can understand it. It seems that some just aren't getting it's not about price.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
I have to jump in here and I'm going to put myself out here 100%. I would LOVE to have Metalsman POST ALL of the PM'(s) he received stating I have done this in the past. The only problem I had was a roll or a book of silver eagles (I think it was) That were sold and the buyer held me to them for some odd reason. This situation was completely different than this one as we all I¡¦m sure? Have had some small issues? I would like to see the postings on the board if he states that claim. By the way. Did Metalsman state he offered me a price LASTNIGHT for 360.00 shipped. I emailed him back this morning when I read my post with a very nice reply. Less than an hour after my reply I received a reply from him that ¡§My offer to sell at posted price is valid thru the end of the day 10/12/2011. Thanks, Gary.¡¨
So how in the heck can I ever do business with someone after I inform him I may reconsider if I¡¦m treated as an honest buyer (still have my doubts) because I felt we both could have handled it differently. I also mentioned I would like to wait until todays end to see if the moderator responds to my request and I will give him an answer by days end.
So once again we are back to where we started. A price change and a technical issue. I am so done explaining why this happened. It really doesn¡¦t matter if anyone believes me or not as long as I know what really happened is the truth and I can live with that. I owe it to myself and nobody else. I feel this thing not only got out of hand with us, but also on the thread. Metalsman..it should have never gotten this far and you should have done what you told me in the PM¡¦s. By the way. I don¡¦t see all of them posted. Only the ones that benefit you..HUMMMM.
By the way. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE POST FROM METALSMAN STATING I¡¦VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST. THEN WE GET TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN CONFIRMING IT REALLY HAPPENED WITH ALL! OF THE OTHER SELLER/BUYERS OR WHOMEVER THEY MAY BE ƒº
I would like to see the postings on the board if he states that claim. then I am so done explaining why this happened. It really doesn¡¦t matter if anyone believes me or not as long as I know what really happened is the truth and I can live with that. I owe it to myself and nobody else.
So which is it, I am because it can not be both ways. You want proof to vindicate yourself in some way or you're done with it because you know the truth and that is good enough for you?
One thing that I learned from this thread is to be very careful what you put in a PM since someone may publish it for all to see.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
is rrunner offering $5 total? or $5 + $5 shipping?...
r u selling at $10... or $5 + $5 shipping?, or $10 + $5 shipping?...
is this a deal?... or no deal?...
i want 2 know if rrunner doesnt answer u and pay by midnight please, that way i know he is a no good $&%^%###$&$&$, and i sure as heck wont sell him anything ever , even for $1...
It's amazing that "serious" posts involving important issues on the PM forum might get 10-20 responses... and this nonsensical thread is at 120+.
Oh well. +1.
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Life is too short to worry about a deal that went bad. It happens, but fortunately not often. Just move on and forget it. Really, how much did it cost you in the end for the guy to walk? A few bucks? Chump change.
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is rrunner offering $5 total? or $5 + $5 shipping?...
r u selling at $10... or $5 + $5 shipping?, or $10 + $5 shipping?...
is this a deal?... or no deal?...
i want 2 know if rrunner doesnt answer u and pay by midnight please, that way i know he is a no good $&%^%###$&$&$, and i sure as heck wont sell him anything ever , even for $1...
and if he doesnt buy it will u sell it for $9?...
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When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone.
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone.
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone.
r u selling at $10... or $5 + $5 shipping?, or $10 + $5 shipping?...
is this a deal?... or no deal?...
i want 2 know if rrunner doesnt answer u and pay by midnight please, that way i know he is a no good $&%^%###$&$&$, and i sure as heck wont sell him anything ever , even for $1...
and if he doesnt buy it will u sell it for $9?... >>
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
As far as my $5 deal.....that was a delivered price....not $10. And since I already received the rights to another Cliff Note's thread for $5, my orig offer is off the table.
<< When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
I think 98.7% (or whatever) is close enough. The majority, plurality, consensus and supermajority of the forum believe that the OP is wrong and that there was no agreement reached. He is wrong. Arguing each point is futile, and whatever happened afterward is irrelevant.
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
As far as my $5 deal.....that was a delivered price....not $10. And since I already received the rights to another Cliff Note's thread for $5, my orig offer is off the table.
roadrunner >>
ARGH! But...but...but.....wasn't your PM working? Didn't my offer make it a done-deal?
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
roadrunner >>
Not that my opinion counts (the exception proves the rule...LOL) but I was proffering a scenario in which I thought it possible that the OP could have actually believed he had a deal.
However, I've reconsidered the situation in light of the fact that the buyer used the conditional IF in his very first response, which sort of indicates there was no deal from his point of view (this is what I was debating; I had assumed that he'd accepted the terms but if that had been the case, he shouldn't have said "if you can do that" as if he was questioning the seller's offer), and thus there's no way for the seller to force him into a deal. Both buyer and seller should have been a bit more communicative, and reconfirmed the terms of the deal before the show went public. Count me among the masses; no deal.
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<< <i> If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
roadrunner >>
Not that I have a dog in this hunt.........or even have a dog for that matter.......my kids would pay $5 in a heart beat for a dog. Regarding the OP, " A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".
I have seen the OP's add in the BST a few times and every time I do I say to myself "self, run forrest run"
This is one of the funnier threads I've read here in a while. Thanks go out to the OP as I had had a really crappy day until I read this and now I can't stop chuckling. I think I now have the energy to head down to my local Occupy Wall Street protest and stand there and hollar "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore". Really I am.
<< <i>This is one of those threads where the OP does not get the answers he is looking for and thus it goes around and around in circles. >>
........and then deletes his initial post.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Quit changing the title. I thought this was a thread I hadn't read yet.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Quit changing the title. I thought this was a thread I hadn't read yet. >>
I also got fooled.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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I see the same thing very clearly in my mind. Remind me not to buy from you in the future.
1) BST listing at X price
2) Potential buyer OFFERS lower than asking BST price ($365)
3) Seller has not officially accepted the offer of the potential buyer but "sets" a price ($370) and expects the buyer to pay them without acceptance of this new price
4) Seller is butthurt because potential buyer is not a mind reader and doesn't know that the seller price ($370) was "a done deal price." (Note: $365 is NOT $370--any change in dollar amount needs to be agreed upon by both parties)
5) Buyer goes elsewhere.
Edit...
OP, you ARE totally butthurt over $5. If you claim you aren't upset over a $5 misunderstanding, you clearly have other issues you should work out prior to exposing yourself to the public world. If you told the buyer, in your original reply, "I'll accept $365+shipping, the price would be $370," then I would understand the issue here. However, you just demanding a price implies that you wont accept the buyers offer and that you want $5 more for it. That is a counteroffer and needs to be agreed to by the buyer before you should "expect" payment.
<< <i>
<< <i>I see where he said he'd take one for $365, but when you countered for $370 I don't see where he accepted. >>
I get that impression too. He offered 365 and from using the ebay example, intended it to mean shipping included. Seems that you countered with your BST price of 370 shipped. I realize the intent of each party is not easy to ascertain from the verbiage, but that's may take on it. I conclude no price was agreed upon, there was just offer and counter offer. >>
Fully agreed! He said he'd take one at $365......you countered at $370. Yes its just a $5 difference, but it still is a COUNTERoffer.
I for one will agree that is ALWAYS the case. Doesn't make it right, just a little hypocritical of those who've done so.
Am I the only one that gets what Metalsman is saying? This has nothing to to with the PRICE. As I read and interpret it, it has to do with the questionable inquiring and "sort of" commiting to buy, then claim to have technical issues to get out of that commitment, all be it, flimsy imo.
Let's take Metalsman on his word that others have pm'd him saying tizofthe tried doing the same thing to them. With that said, we should take tizofthe on his word that he truly did have technical issues and choose to move on when unable to communicate. That is why I asked last night on this thread if that could be proven. I think that is key to this matter.
This is kind of making a mountain out of a mole hill, but I can understand the point that is trying to be made by Metalsman. Would I have handled it the same? Probably not, but I can understand it. It seems that some just aren't getting it's not about price.
The only problem I had was a roll or a book of silver eagles (I think it was) That were sold and the buyer held me to them for some odd reason.
This situation was completely different than this one as we all I¡¦m sure? Have had some small issues? I would like to see the postings on the board if he states that claim.
By the way. Did Metalsman state he offered me a price LASTNIGHT for 360.00 shipped.
I emailed him back this morning when I read my post with a very nice reply. Less than an hour after my reply I received a reply from him that
¡§My offer to sell at posted price is valid thru the end of the day 10/12/2011. Thanks, Gary.¡¨
So how in the heck can I ever do business with someone after I inform him I may reconsider if I¡¦m treated as an honest buyer (still have my doubts) because I felt we both could have handled it differently.
I also mentioned I would like to wait until todays end to see if the moderator responds to my request and I will give him an answer by days end.
So once again we are back to where we started. A price change and a technical issue. I am so done explaining why this happened.
It really doesn¡¦t matter if anyone believes me or not as long as I know what really happened is the truth and I can live with that. I owe it to myself and nobody else. I feel this thing not only got out of hand with us, but also on the thread.
Metalsman..it should have never gotten this far and you should have done what you told me in the PM¡¦s. By the way. I don¡¦t see all of them posted. Only the ones that benefit you..HUMMMM.
By the way. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE POST FROM METALSMAN STATING I¡¦VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST. THEN WE GET TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN CONFIRMING IT REALLY HAPPENED WITH ALL! OF THE OTHER SELLER/BUYERS OR WHOMEVER THEY MAY BE ƒº
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It's not about the money
It's about honoring the agreement.
what was the agreement?
<< <i>at this point, I'm totally lost why the buyer should be buying.
It's not about the money
It's about honoring the agreement.
what was the agreement? >>
EXACTLY.
Everyone have a great day and if you get bored. Sit back and read this post. It will bore you even more.
Don't say I didn't warn you
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I am so done explaining why this happened. It really doesn¡¦t matter if anyone believes me or not as long as I know what really happened is the truth and I can live with that. I owe it to myself and nobody else.
So which is it, I am
You want proof to vindicate yourself in some way or you're done with it because you know the truth and that is good enough for you?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
its not about price and its surely not about a committed deal because without doubt there was none...
so what is this actually about...
2 guys pm each other about nothing...
<< <i>this whole thing is actually about... nothing
its not about price and its surely not about a committed deal because without doubt there was none...
so what is this actually about...
2 guys pm each other about nothing... >>
who should be who's butler?
roadrunner
<< <i>Can I buy the future rights to the Cliff Notes version for $5?
roadrunner >>
Sure, for $10. Offer is only good through tonight though, as I am making this offer on multiple boards.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
r u selling at $10... or $5 + $5 shipping?, or $10 + $5 shipping?...
is this a deal?... or no deal?...
i want 2 know if rrunner doesnt answer u and pay by midnight please,
that way i know he is a no good $&%^%###$&$&$,
and i sure as heck wont sell him anything ever , even for $1...
and if he doesnt buy it will u sell it for $9?...
Oh well. +1.
Just kiddin' ya'll!
I wouldn't go as far as to say nonsensical, but I agree with you otherwise.
Has rrunner paid up on this agreed price of $10 yet?
If not, could you post the entire transcript of every PM you two have ever had?
--Jerry
r u selling at $10... or $5 + $5 shipping?, or $10 + $5 shipping?...
is this a deal?... or no deal?...
i want 2 know if rrunner doesnt answer u and pay by midnight please,
that way i know he is a no good $&%^%###$&$&$,
and i sure as heck wont sell him anything ever , even for $1...
and if he doesnt buy it will u sell it for $9?...
I knew it would happen.
Mountains from molehills.
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone.
Mountains from molehills. >>
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........ END OF THREAD
Heck, I just wasted $5 worth of time reading this silly thread. Where do I send the invoice?
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<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone.
Mountains from molehills. >>
Now that I like!
<< <i>is rrunner offering $5 total? or $5 + $5 shipping?...
r u selling at $10... or $5 + $5 shipping?, or $10 + $5 shipping?...
is this a deal?... or no deal?...
i want 2 know if rrunner doesnt answer u and pay by midnight please,
that way i know he is a no good $&%^%###$&$&$,
and i sure as heck wont sell him anything ever , even for $1...
and if he doesnt buy it will u sell it for $9?... >>
No...but I may start a thread about it now
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
As far as my $5 deal.....that was a delivered price....not $10. And since I already received the rights to another Cliff Note's thread for $5, my orig offer is off the table.
roadrunner
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
I think 98.7% (or whatever) is close enough. The majority, plurality, consensus and supermajority of the forum believe that the OP is wrong and that there was no agreement reached. He is wrong. Arguing each point is futile, and whatever happened afterward is irrelevant.
<< <i>
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
As far as my $5 deal.....that was a delivered price....not $10. And since I already received the rights to another Cliff Note's thread for $5, my orig offer is off the table.
roadrunner >>
ARGH! But...but...but.....wasn't your PM working? Didn't my offer make it a done-deal?
Aw man....I need to start a thread!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
<< <i>When one asks for an opinion on the forum, and 100% of the respondents disagree with the OP, the OP can be considered to be officially in the wrong and should stop arguing with everyone. Mountains from molehills. >>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
roadrunner >>
Not that my opinion counts (the exception proves the rule...LOL) but I was proffering a scenario in which I thought it possible that the OP could have actually believed he had a deal.
However, I've reconsidered the situation in light of the fact that the buyer used the conditional IF in his very first response, which sort of indicates there was no deal from his point of view (this is what I was debating; I had assumed that he'd accepted the terms but if that had been the case, he shouldn't have said "if you can do that" as if he was questioning the seller's offer), and thus there's no way for the seller to force him into a deal. Both buyer and seller should have been a bit more communicative, and reconfirmed the terms of the deal before the show went public. Count me among the masses; no deal.
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>
If my count is correct I think there was one person that agreed with the OP's view of things. If he changes sides, then it's 100%.
roadrunner >>
Not that I have a dog in this hunt.........or even have a dog for that matter.......my kids would pay $5 in a heart beat for a dog. Regarding the OP, " A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".
I have seen the OP's add in the BST a few times and every time I do I say to myself "self, run forrest run"
thus it goes around and around in circles.
<< <i>This is one of those threads where the OP does not get the answers he is looking for and
thus it goes around and around in circles. >>
That's for sure!
Jim
<< <i>This is one of those threads where the OP does not get the answers he is looking for and
thus it goes around and around in circles. >>
........and then deletes his initial post.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Quit changing the title. I thought this was a thread I hadn't read yet.
I also got fooled.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Quit changing the title. I thought this was a thread I hadn't read yet.
The guys a Drama Queen
<< <i>enough and I'm OUT
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