POLL: Do you have any sympathy for this "little old lady"?
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This excerpt taken from another thread in which the author recalls a recent real life experience:
"Haven't been around much..busy....but had to vent this...
One born every minute...Pawn shop visit today..Older lady walks in with large heavy bank cloth bank bag...Bag full of silver coins....Morgans Barbers standing liberties mercuries all nice stuff...Pawn guy humped her unconcious...she got 3 times face....My GOD!!!!!! BTW I think siver was around 39 yesterday...could be wrong on that"
So......do you have any sympathy for the lady, or none at all? I personally feel that if someone gets ripped THAT bad, they obviously did no homework, nor did they put in the effort to get a couple offers before selling. No sympathy here.....you just cant fix stupid.
"Haven't been around much..busy....but had to vent this...
One born every minute...Pawn shop visit today..Older lady walks in with large heavy bank cloth bank bag...Bag full of silver coins....Morgans Barbers standing liberties mercuries all nice stuff...Pawn guy humped her unconcious...she got 3 times face....My GOD!!!!!! BTW I think siver was around 39 yesterday...could be wrong on that"
So......do you have any sympathy for the lady, or none at all? I personally feel that if someone gets ripped THAT bad, they obviously did no homework, nor did they put in the effort to get a couple offers before selling. No sympathy here.....you just cant fix stupid.
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A friend of my sons took 6 oz of 18k gold chains to local jewelry chain stores and pawn shops. Best offer was from a national chain jewelery store that everyone here would recognize
That was 20% of spot! The other bids were in the 10-15% range, including the pawn shop. All member of the Villians, Thieves, and Scoundrels Union.
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<< <i>I dont condone "preying" on the uneducated at all. In a perfect world, everyone would be perfectly fair. But everyone knows this aint a perfect world, and furthermore, most....MOST people know that a pawnshop is going to lowball you as much as you allow them to. Having said that, in this day and age of the internet, and even reality TV showcasing pawn shops.....why in the world would anyone sell a bag full of silver without doing 3 mins of research. Laziness? Thats it. I cant feel sorry for lazy people at all. >>
But my view might change had it been someone other than a little old lady.
another view - a few months ago I evaluated one of my older neighbors collections and told her where to go to get the best price when she decided to sell - she sold to a local jewelry store for a fraction of the price. I was irate - I told my wife that was the last time I would waste my time trying to educate others.
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mom is 78 and she's just so smart that she does'nt
tell me everything, she's very independent and she
can make decisions on her own (rolling my eyes) um
she's on the internet with Facebook and such and
if a wrong decision is made, well it's my fault.
If it were my mom I'd be livid, she rides one of those
scooters and she gets a lot of help from good samaritans
and she does complain about certain people that try
to take advantage of her, but when I pry into her "Buseness"
I get nowhere.
If I were in the pawnshop I believe I would have tryed
to edjucate this women before I got kicked out or removed.
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But my view might change had it been someone other than a little old lady.
another view - a few months ago I evaluated one of my older neighbors collections and told her where to go to get the best price when she decided to sell - she sold to a local jewelry store for a fraction of the price. I was irate - I told my wife that was the last time I would waste my time trying to educate others. >>
The old neighbor may have forgotten your advice or become more confused. It happens.
roadrunner
<< <i>Free market. >>
That's not "free market" it's fraud, it's theft.
Jeeesh, free market. What planet are you people from?
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I bought some silver coins from a women here in the village a few years ago. I could have given her face and she would have been happy. ( I know her and just kept my gas money for a ride into the city).
no one flamed me for it???
Would theft by deception apply here?
or Fraud?
<< <i>This excerpt taken from another thread in which the author recalls a recent real life experience:
"Haven't been around much..busy....but had to vent this...
One born every minute...Pawn shop visit today..Older lady walks in with large heavy bank cloth bank bag...Bag full of silver coins....Morgans Barbers standing liberties mercuries all nice stuff...Pawn guy humped her unconcious...she got 3 times face....My GOD!!!!!! BTW I think siver was around 39 yesterday...could be wrong on that"
So......do you have any sympathy for the lady, or none at all? I personally feel that if someone gets ripped THAT bad, they obviously did no homework, nor did they put in the effort to get a couple offers before selling.>>>>>>>>>> No sympathy here.....you just cant fix stupid. >>
Would you feel or think the same way if it was your mother.
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<< <i>Free market. >>
That's not "free market" it's fraud, it's theft.
Jeeesh, free market. What planet are you people from? >>
Nobody cold called the old lady, or pushed anything on her. She actively went to sell the coins.....she got an offer....she accepted that offer. No "fraud" or "theft" was commited here. If you had an item of which you didnt know the value, would you take it to a pawn shop and accept the 1st offer they threw at you? If you would, then im sorry, but you are just too lazy for me to care about.
As an interesting twist to this debate, since you claim it was theft and fraud....at what point does it cease to be that? If the pawn shop paid 10x? How about 20x? Would you consider 20x face to be theft and fraud? Where do you.....on your high and mighty moral horse mark the exact cut-off point between outright theft and just a lowball offer?
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<< <i>This excerpt taken from another thread in which the author recalls a recent real life experience:
"Haven't been around much..busy....but had to vent this...
One born every minute...Pawn shop visit today..Older lady walks in with large heavy bank cloth bank bag...Bag full of silver coins....Morgans Barbers standing liberties mercuries all nice stuff...Pawn guy humped her unconcious...she got 3 times face....My GOD!!!!!! BTW I think siver was around 39 yesterday...could be wrong on that"
So......do you have any sympathy for the lady, or none at all? I personally feel that if someone gets ripped THAT bad, they obviously did no homework, nor did they put in the effort to get a couple offers before selling.>>>>>>>>>> No sympathy here.....you just cant fix stupid. >>
Would you feel or think the same way if it was your mother. >>
Absolutely. People make poor financial decisions every day. I cant be there to help everyone, and I certainly feel that just the most basic homework goes a LONG way to getting a good deal. If my mother sold something for far less than market value, shame on her.....not the buyer.
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<< <i>Yes, I feel very sorry for her, because we allow these same people to vote. >>
You really cant fix stupid!
When you offer a lowball offer to anyone who doesnt know whats going on, its theft and your defrauding them.
It might not be that as in the letter of the law but thats what your doing.
Sleep well my friend Im sure you will because you dont have a conscious.
but stuff well over the line is easy.
this is well over the line.
It might not be that as in the letter of the law but thats what your doing...
<< <i>Gecko You must be a BM guy who would rip off your mother as well as anyone else.
When you offer a lowball offer to anyone who doesnt know whats going on, its theft and your defrauding them.
It might not be that as in the letter of the law but thats what your doing.
Sleep well my friend Im sure you will because you dont have a conscious. >>
I could have bought 3, $1,500 coins for $375 each. But I did the right thing.
See what happens when the new guy (thats you) runs his mouth without knowing whats going on?
<< <i>Some older people don't have access to the internet and aren't aware or "with it" mentally. It would be different if the seller weren't elderly. >>
Ok then...lets create a new law that people over the age of say....65...are no longer legally allowed to do business without a power of attorney. How do you think that would sit with the AARP?
Seriously folks......was it a bad rip? You bet your butt it was! But when will this nation's people get back to the basic fundamental concept of ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS?
Its simply more sickening to me that we have become a society of "its someone else's fault when I come up on the short end", than it is to see a lady get taken on a coin deal. Either you ARE responsible for your actions, or you ARENT. Which is it? And if your argument was...."but this was an old lady".....then I propose a new law as stated above. You cant have it both ways people. Either the elderly are held accountable for their own actions, or we simply make it illegal for them to participate in any financial decisions and treat them as we do minors. Which do you want?
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<< <i>Free market. >>
That's not "free market" it's fraud, it's theft.
Jeeesh, free market. What planet are you people from? >>
Nobody cold called the old lady, or pushed anything on her. She actively went to sell the coins.....she got an offer....she accepted that offer. No "fraud" or "theft" was commited here. If you had an item of which you didnt know the value, would you take it to a pawn shop and accept the 1st offer they threw at you? If you would, then im sorry, but you are just too lazy for me to care about.
As an interesting twist to this debate, since you claim it was theft and fraud....at what point does it cease to be that? If the pawn shop paid 10x? How about 20x? Would you consider 20x face to be theft and fraud? Where do you.....on your high and mighty moral horse mark the exact cut-off point between outright theft and just a lowball offer? >>
I don't think it's possible to have a conversation with you on this subject. You obviously have a different definition than most on what's right and wrong and frankly you are exactly the type of person I try my best to avoid in life . So please ignore me as I'll do the same with you. K?
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If you think taking advantage of either is acceptable then I hope your mothers are very proud in how she raised you or how/what you turned out to be, a thief, dishonest, unscrupulous and disgraceful person.
A few days ago a 75 year old lady way assaulted and raped, was she STUPID being out living her life. If you say yes then her being raped was justified and acceptable. Just like the old lady selling coins and the buyer taking advantage of her being STUPID, is he justified and is it acceptable of the buyer. Some will say but that’s different, in reality no its not.
Maybe because of how some people think about or how they operate, this is why this hobby has a bad reputation. Complete honesty and a fair profit, FAIR is the only thing that’s acceptable.
What I said above is all I have to know about what’s going on
While I do feel she should have done her homework, maybe she doesn't really have anyone to help her ... although she should have shopped around. Maybe she is sickly and older people sometimes don't use the internet. It's just really sad that people do things like that. Their day will come.
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<< <i>Free market. >>
That's not "free market" it's fraud, it's theft.
Jeeesh, free market. What planet are you people from? >>
Nobody cold called the old lady, or pushed anything on her. She actively went to sell the coins.....she got an offer....she accepted that offer. No "fraud" or "theft" was commited here. If you had an item of which you didnt know the value, would you take it to a pawn shop and accept the 1st offer they threw at you? If you would, then im sorry, but you are just too lazy for me to care about.
As an interesting twist to this debate, since you claim it was theft and fraud....at what point does it cease to be that? If the pawn shop paid 10x? How about 20x? Would you consider 20x face to be theft and fraud? Where do you.....on your high and mighty moral horse mark the exact cut-off point between outright theft and just a lowball offer? >>
Though generalizations are rarely useful and mean different things to different people, I agree with the Supreme Court 'I Know It When I See It' definition of 'obscene' as it relates to this circumstance.
It will come back and bite the store owner in the arse. It ALWAYS does.
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Remove yourself from the coin/bullion world for a minute if you can, you now know nothing about coins/bullion. Ask yourself how would you feel if this were your Mother and thru your own common sense you thought something just didn't sound right about this when your Mother told you about it. So you checked it out and saw how badly someone just raped your Mother. How would that make you feel?
Let's just say i'd be paying the dealer a visit
Remove yourself from the coin/bullion world for a minute if you can, you now know nothing about coins/bullion. Ask yourself how would you feel if this were your Mother and thru your own common sense you thought something just didn't sound right about this when your Mother told you about it. So you checked it out and saw how badly someone just raped your Mother. How would that make you feel?
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But if was a poor widow who really needed the money and didn't know any better, then I'd have sympathy.
<< <i>...When you offer a lowball offer to anyone who doesnt know whats going on, its theft and your defrauding them.
It might not be that as in the letter of the law but thats what your doing...
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This. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
That being said, during the last several months of my mother's life, one of my siblings or I had to attend doctor's visits with my mother. She would not understand or remember all of things she was told regarding medications, procedures, etc. Does that make her stupid?
What if the lady in your OP did some research and became confused about the 'true' worth of her items?
agreeing to disagree.
Yeah, but "laziness" doesn't have a damn thing to do with it as has been implied.
$40 total and said so up front.....ie $1 presidential gold coins or something. My friend proceeded to shell out his usual 95+% of retail for a pile of
1 oz US gold coins. The woman was astounded. Fortunately, none of the wolves got to her first. As she would have undoubtedly been fleeced.
If the public doesn't know what they have, that doesn't mean you offer them any less than what you would to someone who knew what they were.
That's just being a decent person. I understand that the majority of B&M's figure it is their birthright to fleece the unknowing, after all they have to pay the rent.
Ever since I was aware that my local B&M shelled out $25K for several very rare key date US gold coins worth about $80,000 I view this situation very differently. The old
woman had no idea how truly valuable they were but realized they were scarcer gold coins. Once slabbed, those coins were worth about $100,000.
roadrunner
You summed it up nicely, RR.
if they were intrested in protecting her(their) assets.
it IS her property.
she could have spent them for face value, which i have heard happens too.
<< <i>...Pawn shop visit today..
Older lady walks in with large heavy bank cloth bank bag...
...Pawn guy humped her unconcious... >>
sounds like she got (date)raped & robbed.
while being dressed provocatively in a heavy canvas bag, its no excuse.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......