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RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I am strongly considering using capital holders for my dirty gold coins under a certain price point. I have not decided what that number will be yet, but I will no longer slab raw gold under that number. A few months ago, I purchased a raw quarter eagle from the BST in one (below), and I like the look and feel of the holder. They seem sturdy and professional. They cost about $4 each, and you do not have to send your coins away and deal with the hassles associated with shipping coins.

Does anyone have any experience using these, good or bad, or recommendations along these lines?

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My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I owned or bought a coin in a capital holder, I'd crack it out and send it in to PCGS for slabbing.

    I think many dealers feel the same way.
  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    They're bulkier than TPG plastic and will sell for less than TPG plastic... image
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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Decades ago, before the grading services became popular, I had all my Capped Bust Half Dollars in individual Capital holders. There biggest drawback is that they take up a lot of room in the 2X2 storage boxes. I still have my old Capital holders.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I absolutely love them for sets. But for individual coins, they're no better than slabs.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like this?

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    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,453 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where did you find all those circ proofs?? image

    Agree - sets look good, individual holders are a hassle.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I owned or bought a coin in a capital holder, I'd crack it out and send it in to PCGS for slabbing.

    Put away the hammer, big boy, no need for cracking. Just get out a screwdriver. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Where did you find all those circ proofs?? image

    Agree - sets look good, individual holders are a hassle. >>



    The coins are all business strikes. I thought it would make a nice presentation. I was not going to buy seated proof coins for thousands of dollars, crack them out, and put them in the holder. Most came from TomB.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    They make great sets, but as single coins, I prefer slabs.
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  • ponderitponderit Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They make a nice presentation for sets, IMO

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like them. When I sold most of my coins in 2007 to turn to older coinage, I had several 20th-century sets in white Capital plastic holders. I kept a 1942 proof set that my grandmother gave me when I graduated from high school in 1974. They are still in a Capital holder (never opened), and look as fresh as the day I received them as a gift.
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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    I like the Capital holders for 2 things:

    -Sets of coins
    -Raw gold coins in a black Capital holder (gold looks so much better against a black background than any of the current slabs)
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are some displays meant for Capital holders.
    (I know....where's the $3?)
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  • MowgliMowgli Posts: 1,219 ✭


    << <i>I absolutely love them for sets. But for individual coins, they're no better than slabs. >>


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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They're bulkier than TPG plastic and will sell for less than TPG plastic... image >>

    Makes it sound like you get more plastic for your money then!
  • deviousdevious Posts: 1,690 ✭
    I have one capital plastics holder. It holds an AT coin. It has a translucent blue plastic and looks great with those vivid AT colors imageimageimage. I call it 'my reminder slab.'
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭
    Very cool Seated set RYK. image
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are excellent for lower value coins, but only those where authenticity is unquestioned.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like Capital Plastics holders and have an Ike set in a black holder and a clad WQ set in a white holder. At one time I had the intense blue holders for the silver WQ set, but sold them a while ago with the coins.
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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭

    I also like Capital holders because they can hold more than just coins.

    This Columbia P-D-S set was kept together with it's original cardboard holder in the Capital plastic until the coins were slabbed in the early 1990s. Judging by the depth of "tab toning" on the coins, they were kept in the cardboard holder until transferred to the plastic sometime in the 1960s or 1970s.

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  • Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭
    I like them for early 1950s proof sets.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While they can look impressive for sets, they're too bulky for individual coins. The Coin World slabs, especially the standard size (i.e., old ANACS size) are much nicer, and there's room for you to add a label chock full of annotations, photos, and comments. They fit in 2x2 boxes, but the top of the box obviously doesn't go all the way down as if the box were used for 2x2s.
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<< How do you feel about capital holders? >>>




    My favorite holders of all time!! I still frequently crack out high grade PCGS and NGC DMPL's and nice toned pieces to put them into the 3X3 #145 Deluxe holders, they look sooooo much nicer in those holders then the cheap plastic 3rd party slabs IMO. I also have several various Morgan Dollar sets and multi coin holders for displaying several toned coins in one holder.

    For some of my best stuff, I still have some of the really deluxe #146 holders with the gold wreaths and custom printing and all, they are way cool. It's a huge shame IMO that Capital discontinued the very popular #145 and #146 deluxe screw together holders a couple years back, fortunately I was able to locate and buy out a dealers NOS stock of dozens of them!


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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't like them because the coins move around in them.......like the rattler's.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They were my first love, they still offer protection for coins and you can see your whole dang set instead of stupid blue boxes stacked upon one another.
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  • BBQnBLUESBBQnBLUES Posts: 1,803 ✭


    << <i>I like the Capital holders for 2 things:

    -Sets of coins
    -Raw gold coins in a black Capital holder (gold looks so much better against a black background than any of the current slabs) >>


    AGREE !!! If PCGS would start using a Black holder I'd be happy image All my Gold "Type Sets" are in Black Capital Holders
  • deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    capital holders are great for the display of complete sets ( roosevelts, franklins ) , but the screws are distracting on single holders . i wish pcgs would somehow make a holder for complete sets of the silver roosevelts and franklins where all the coins are graded and the holder sealed ! that would be awesome !
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    coins the black capital holders looks great!
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like em

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I absolutely love them for sets. But for individual coins, they're no better than slabs. >>



    Agree. They are good for large coins but for thin and/or small coins they are lousy since the middle plastic piece is too thick and the coin appears to be setting in the bottom of a hole. A mylar flip is safe, inexpensive, and takes up much less room. Also, you won't need a fitting tool or shims to make your coins fit.

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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a lot of coins in these because that's the way they came to me. They don't stack well but it's a good holder to keep a coin safe. That's what's most important to me. I actually sent several hundred coins to PCI when they first started, just for a good quality holder. I'm thinking it was about $5.00 per coin at the time.
    Larry

  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    They are only $4?

    When I first started collecting and didn't know any better, I went to some local shop and told him I wanted to put together a type set of gold (dollar, QE, etc.; one of each design). The dealer said he would be delighted to put one together for me, and he would give me the holder for free. image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They are only $4?

    When I first started collecting and didn't know any better, I went to some local shop and told him I wanted to put together a type set of gold (dollar, QE, etc.; one of each design). The dealer said he would be delighted to put one together for me, and he would give me the holder for free. image >>


    The single coin holders are $4 and change at Wizard. The multi-coin holders are, of course, more expensive. No doubt that the dealer would have relaxed the customary razor thin margin on the gold coins and would not suffer any significant financial distress for including the "free" holder.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    Personally I feel that these holders are a charming way to display a set of relatively lower value coins. We just received in our office a Roosie set in one of these and it is genuinely cool.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Personally I feel that these holders are a charming way to display a set of relatively lower value coins. We just received in our office a Roosie set in one of these and it is genuinely cool. >>



    The problem with sets is that some of the coins will inevitably rotate in the holder. Otherwise, I totally agree that sets are neat in a capital holder, especially the 12 piece gold type set and the 15 piece Indian quarter eagle set.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The single coin holders are $4 and change at Wizard. >>


    Coin World holders are $3.75 for 3, and the insert is a more pliable plastic that holds the coin more securely.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,758 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I absolutely love them for sets. But for individual coins, they're no better than slabs. >>



    Although the Capital holders display sets very nicely from the esthetic point of view, the trouble I had with multiple opening Capital holders was that there was always at least ONE COIN that rattled. The only multi-coin Capital holder that worked for me was the eight piece gold set. All the rest, including the 12 piece gold set, and a holder for a complete set of Indian cents rattled.

    Single coin Capital holders work well for gold coins ranging from the quarter eagle to the double eagle. (when you used a 3 X 3 in place of a 2 X 2 for double eagles.) They worked well for me for Type I gold dollars, buy my experience was they didn’t work for Type II and III gold dollars because they were too thin. The holder could not “get a grip” on the coin.

    A cheaper alternative is the Eagle holder. I’ve used them for my tokens and many raw coins. The draw back is that they only come as 2 X 2 which would make them small for silver dollars and double eagles. Since I’ve not had a raw double eagle and an Eagle holder for them at the same time, I can’t tell you how well they work. One of my problems with Eagle holders is that they don’t work well on very thin coins (the coins move even when you use the thick windows) and thick coins because they are hard to close and get a good seal.

    I hope this helps. I could go into more specifics if there is interest.
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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really like them.

    My set of silver Washington Quarters that I picked up in MS from the venerable Sage Coins when I was a kid (looking for their sales on the first Sunday of each month) were sprung years ago from my old Whitman Album to black Capital holders that hang on my bedroom wall.

    My first set of CC Morgans were held in the Capital holder shaped like the state of Nevada. Always liked that holder, but sold the set, and am rebuilding it better than the original (but in PCGS holders).

    I also have a holder with wartime Jefferson Nickels that I use as a paperweight at the office.

    Never had the individual holders.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i use metal screws.
    I like and place the 2x2s back in the plastic bags they came in.
    I like the fact they won't get all scratched up when I place them face-down on a surface top.
    They're far cheaper than slabs.
    I don't care if they stack up?
    They're much clearer than slabs.
    I like the smaller holder that essentially has replaced the smaller ANACS slab (that also never had any problems scratching up)

    Gee, I have lots of reasons why I like them.

    Are there labels and albums for these holders, yes and no.


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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The black ones look much better than white ones.

    I hate undoing all the screws.

    I put all the screws in a plastic bag, and keep rubber bands around the holder.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The black ones look much better than white ones.

    I hate undoing all the screws.

    I put all the screws in a plastic bag, and keep rubber bands around the holder. >>



    You'd be better off with black tie wraps then rubber bands.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,167 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I absolutely love them for sets. But for individual coins, they're no better than slabs. >>


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    ill go along with that as well image
  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like them and use them, especially for inexpensive sets I have put together. I have a nice, flashy Morgan and Peace dollar date set; they both look great in the black holders.
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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    I love them.

    They saved many coins from being damaged on me during the last 30 years
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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    I have a story about a capital plastics type holder. When viewing the Eliasberg Early Copper auction lots in 1996 in NYC, the S-24 Large Cent, the "Apple Cheek" variety, was encased in this huge capital plastics type holder that was a deep blue in color. The coin was basically hidden by that deep blue color( copper generally does not look very good against a dark background ), and it gave the coin the illusion of looking very dark( which it was not ). The very next coin in lot viewing was the S-26 1794 Large Cent which was in a plastic flip, and the coin looked wonderful, bright and lusterous. To make a long story short, a good dealer friend bid on and won the S-24 for me at what I consider a bargain price. This coin has since been graded by PCGS as MS 66+BN. I still believe that the deep blue big bulky capital plastic type holder encasing the S-24 at the very least saved me a ton of money, and very possibly allowed me to buy a coin I would not otherwise have been able to buy.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like them. I've also bid strong money on a custom made one but haven't had time to fill it yet.
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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw a beautiful red Peace Dollar set holder that looked as though it had never been used and in the original box at a flea market years ago and it motivated me to start and finish a nice set, and I really like it. I think they are just great for sets and want to find an Indian Head Cent one if I can. I wish I had a pic to show.... love the pics in this thread!
  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭


    << <i><<< How do you feel about capital holders? >>>




    My favorite holders of all time!! I still frequently crack out high grade PCGS and NGC DMPL's and nice toned pieces to put them into the 3X3 #145 Deluxe holders, they look sooooo much nicer in those holders then the cheap plastic 3rd party slabs IMO. I also have several various Morgan Dollar sets and multi coin holders for displaying several toned coins in one holder.

    For some of my best stuff, I still have some of the really deluxe #146 holders with the gold wreaths and custom printing and all, they are way cool. It's a huge shame IMO that Capital discontinued the very popular #145 and #146 deluxe screw together holders a couple years back, fortunately I was able to locate and buy out a dealers NOS stock of dozens of them!
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  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    I like em.


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