1958 Topps Red Wilson PSA 10 Pop 1

Dpeck100 · June 5, 2011 2:10AM

Red Wilson PSA 10

Wow this card is going nuts. There are two bidders really battling it out. I can't imagine what the price will be if one or two more come in on this card.

itzagoner · June 5, 2011 2:21AM

found this reference in his bio on Wikipedia:

Wilson's 1958 baseball card, Topps No. 213, showed him in a truly bizarre pose. The company painted out the natural background of the pictures that year and, in a photo showing Wilson swinging his bat, painted the bat out of the picture too--showing Wilson looking as if his right arm were amputated a few inches below the shoulder.

i guess Topps hadn't worked out that whole airbrushing cards thing yet.....as a catcher i'm sure he would have appreciated being given his arm.

jimrad · June 5, 2011 2:30AM

That appears to be a newly graded card.
I wonder if it was a crack out 9

YogiBerraFan · June 5, 2011 2:48AM

From what I see this is not a 10 in my book. Some people are perfectly happy buying the plastic and not the card.

diamondman · June 5, 2011 2:56AM

top right corner bothers me a little , but it is still a very sweet card.

theczar · June 5, 2011 2:58AM

Great looking card. Good luck to all bidders. I am sure it will find a fine home to some grateful and appreciative collector.

Probstein123 · June 5, 2011 7:04AM

we submitted the card raw and scored a 10....
so far the auction is moving in the right direction....
thanks for the interest
rick

Dpeck100 · June 5, 2011 8:04AM

Nice going Rick and good luck with the results.

You have a real battle on your hands and there is no doubt it will be higher at the end.

redbull · June 6, 2011 12:45AM

<< Red Wilson PSA 10

Wow this card is going nuts. There are two bidders really battling it out. I can't imagine what the price will be if one or two more come in on this card. >>

its over $4000 now, hopfully we get alittle more excitement from this one.

cpamike · June 6, 2011 1:20AM

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<< Red Wilson PSA 10

Wow this card is going nuts. There are two bidders really battling it out. I can't imagine what the price will be if one or two more come in on this card. >>

its over $4000 now, hopfully we get alittle more excitement from this one. >>

Less than 90 minutes left ... hoping to see some last second heroics ... maybe a 3rd bidder will jump in with their snipe and steal the show. >>

I'm sure this is what Rick is hoping for.

WinPitcher · June 6, 2011 1:22AM

Good Luck Rick.

I bet these 2 guys are going to be bummed when the winner shows up with his snipe.

ahkmedbinladen · June 6, 2011 2:33AM

Gosh ..this card looks an a lot like this card sold on ebay and purchased by you Rick. Little help with the link please.
160572876388

ahkmedbinladen · June 6, 2011 2:34AM

Nice bump and profit BTW. Congrats

KeepItWarm · June 6, 2011 2:40AM

get ready for sniping...

ShootyBabitt · June 6, 2011 2:41AM

<< Gosh ..this card looks an a lot like this card sold on ebay and purchased by you Rick. Little help with the link please.
160572876388 >>

I don't think it's the same card, unless the Kruk scan is crappy: LINK

KeepItWarm · June 6, 2011 2:42AM

.....or not. LOL

twiley · June 6, 2011 2:44AM

Congrats to the seller

fergie23 · June 6, 2011 2:48AM

The print defects around "Tigers" and "A" in catcher look the same.
Heck of a crack and re-sub if it was previously a PSA 8.

Robb

ahkmedbinladen · June 6, 2011 2:51AM

The Kruk card is a poorer scan but if you compare the markings very carefully....

RonBurgundy · June 6, 2011 11:57PM

Looks like the same card to me. I think.

nam812 · June 7, 2011 12:27AM

Who knows.

itzagoner · June 7, 2011 12:37AM

good to know some things are still worth more than a signed insert of a #1 draft choice.

Treetop · June 7, 2011 1:08AM

I like the 8 better..LOL!

wallst32 · June 7, 2011 3:33AM

If you look at other examples of this card, the print dot defect pattern is random. But on these two they are identical; most likely the same card.

ahkmedbinladen · June 7, 2011 4:36AM

Come on treetop...you just like the 8 because there is a little bit more left border.

bobbyw8469 · June 7, 2011 5:03AM

Nice crackout!! There is hope for my Sport Kings yet!!!

Dboneesq · June 7, 2011 6:21AM

<< The print defects around "Tigers" and "A" in catcher look the same.
Heck of a crack and re-sub if it was previously a PSA 8.
Robb >>

WOW ... WOW ... WOW ... what a great eye Rick. Congrats!

Dpeck100 · June 7, 2011 6:28AM

If this is indeed the case. This is why I think cards getting a bump is troubling. You take a $28 card and turn it into a $4,000 card.

PSA would have done a major dis service to the original submitter. The idea of bringing in a third party to confirm a grade and they potentially help you leave $4,000 on the table in one card.

I hope this was a different card submitted as this does not give me a lot of confidence if true.

SDavid · June 7, 2011 6:45AM

nevermind - it's not worth the headache.

BunchOBull · June 7, 2011 7:05AM

Hell of the flip. I need to start buying cheap PSA 8s and cracking them out.

fiveniner · June 7, 2011 7:29AM

I do not care what any one thinks but this card is so cotton pickin nice it looks perfect to me.58s are the hardest cards to find in higher grades IMO.
Very poor stock that year.

GREAT CARD Rick!!!!

Mickey71 · June 7, 2011 7:29AM

This is why you need to be PSA's DADDY. Don't take what they say as Gospel. Congrats to Rick and shame on PSA. 8's should not become 10's. There is supposed some form of "expert" opinion rendered. The original submitter got screwed. I use PSA to verify what I already think...very rarely do I just accept a grade I don't agree with. I wait and then resubmit. It's the only way you can survive in the grading game.

Mickey71

RonBurgundy · June 7, 2011 7:50AM

This is a weird thread. At first I thought it was the same card, now I'm looking at it again and the left edge on the 8 looks different. I expanded it using the beauty of technology & examined it closely. Now I don't know what to think. If it's not the same card why would the OP buy the 8 with such a nice raw example to submit? But the print markings are the same. So it might be the same card. I'm confused maybe the OP can set it straight.

Dpeck100 · June 7, 2011 8:51AM

Ron does OP stand for original poster?

If so I have nothing to do with the transaction other then just pointing out a hot item on EBAY.

I do think this would be a massive black eye for PSA though as an 8 should never turn into a 10. I have said in the past PSA should get it right the first time and others have made the comment they can make mistakes.

The grading standards should never allow for a 2 grade jump ever. There is no reason to get cards graded if so becuase what is the point of PSA's opinion if it can change that dramatically.

Like I said I am hoping these are two different cards.

wallst32 · June 7, 2011 9:26AM

If the seller of this card wasn't a board member this thread would have taken a completely different direction; there I said it.

Treetop · June 7, 2011 12:31PM

<< If the seller of this card wasn't a board member this thread would have taken a completely different direction; there I said it. >>

or if certain board members hadn't purchased hundreds, if not thousand of dollars from this certain board member, this thread would have taken a different direction. LOL!

The card is definitely a super nice 8, and a ugly 10. I could see someone purchasing the card as an 8 with hopes of getting an bump to a 9, but it going from an 8 to 10 is a huge error on PSA's part, either grading it as an 8, or grading it as a 10.

bobbyw8469 · June 7, 2011 12:38PM

Maybe someone should send PSA at LEAST a thank you card thanking them for the special gift!

WinPitcher · June 7, 2011 1:07PM

Geez I wonder who here has never sold an over graded card?

ahkmedbinladen · June 7, 2011 2:01PM

With all due respect, this is not about the over grading of a card.

Ahmanfan · June 7, 2011 2:06PM

I don't have a horse in this race, or know the seller, but common sense tells me the cards are the same. Look at the print defects.
John

ishypants · June 7, 2011 2:37PM

I'm sure Rick Probstein will be on this thread again soon too answer all the inquiries you guys have! Pretty funny when the "crud hits the fan".

bobbyw8469 · June 7, 2011 7:37PM

I don't think "crud" has hit the fan! All he did was get a $3,972 "gift". Nothing wrong with that. Who amongst us would not take that gift and be grinning from ear to ear??

BunchOBull · June 7, 2011 8:22PM

I mean, it's unequivocally the same card; same print dots, same edge chips, same border ratio. That said, it was simply playing the lottery and winning. Anyone who is passively hinting at foul play should take the time to look at the chipping patterns on the edges. They remained the same on all 4 sides of the card.

WinPitcher · June 7, 2011 8:35PM

<< With all due respect, this is not about the over grading of a card. >>

Not even partially?

What exactly is it 'about' then?

Dpeck100 · June 7, 2011 8:51PM

If there is an issue it is about the acuracy of the grading both times. A card that graded a PSA 8 should never under any circumstances grade a PSA 10.

swartz1 · June 7, 2011 8:59PM

pretty sure ahkmedbinladen

asked Rick a question in an older thread that was never answered...

maybe this has something to do with it...

Dpeck100 · June 7, 2011 10:07PM

There are only 53 PSA 10's out of over 140,000 graded from this set.

itzagoner · June 7, 2011 10:16PM

times change, graders change.....along with protocol.

that PSA 8 was graded years ago, perhaps with a stronger sense of reduction for perceived flaws or the use of glasses bigger.

way to go Rick. there are many who have been quite successful cracking cards, but that was a quantum leap.

RonBurgundy · June 8, 2011 1:21AM

DPeck - sorry about that, you were the OP, I meant the seller. He's on the boards, maybe he can clear up the confusion.

SidePocket · June 8, 2011 1:58AM

It's a gorgeous card IMO, nicely done by Probstein.

Suneel4Cash · June 9, 2011 2:36AM

I tink ddat is weri guud kahrd.

weri well dun!

1958 Topps Red Wilson PSA 10 Pop 1

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