Thank you for the drawing! Larsen would like to enter for the 95 and Larissa would like to enter for the 68 (hopefully Speety doesn't win!). You're the best Bruce!
Thanks for posting pics of same so they can be seen and enjoyed by those of us on the forums.
The only thing that would make the experience of viewing these coins better (for you) would be if you had them in hand while sitting on the porch/veranda of your very own So. Cal. beach house, at sunset, while it is 75 degrees outside and while you are drinking your favorite libation.
That is a purdy 1868! I love the reverse - looks exactly like I should.
As for the Small Eagle dollar - it's more prooflike and impressive in person. I had to have asked Laura to see that coin about 4 seperate times as she chatted with my dad...
Nice, the 1795 does not look real. It is almost like whomever freshly minted Stewart's 1919 Lincoln created dies for the 1795 and struck them last week. Unreal, and utterly amazing the coin survived like that.
TDN - You should know better. There is no such thing as an "accurate grade", because all grading is subjective. But I'll concede that the coin looks at least 66 in the image, and that your opinion (as an expert who has, by the way, seen the coin in person) is the more credible one.
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<< <i>Nope. Precisely and accurately graded at 66+
TDN - You should know better. There is no such thing as an "accurate grade", because all grading is subjective. But I'll concede that the coin looks at least 66 in the image, and that your opinion (as an expert who has, by the way, seen the coin in person) is the more credible one. >>
'Precise and accurate' is when PCGS agrees with my personal grade!
The luster is stunning, the surfaces virgin and semi prooflike.
<< <i>'Precise and accurate' is when PCGS agrees with my personal grade!
The luster is stunning, the surfaces virgin and semi prooflike. >>
How would you know what an ultra-high grade seated dollar would look like? It's not like you've ever had any before or anything...
I have to say, the overall look of the dupe (Malibu) 1868 you sold off a little while back still appeals to me more from the pictures, I wish we could have justified the one point upgrade...
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Pretty nice TDN... Kidding of course they are more like incredible, sensational, fantastic and unbelievable! Been waiting and thanks for posting them...If you don`t mind which one of those is your favorite? If of course you could only have one...
<< <i>Pretty nice TDN... Kidding of course they are more like incredible, sensational, fantastic and unbelievable! Been waiting and thanks for posting them...If you don`t mind which one of those is your favorite? If of course you could only have one...
AB >>
The bust dollar. Incredible luster for a bust dollar!
I am SO happy that YOU own the coins you own. So many people that buy coins like these might just lock them in a vault and never show them (or pictures of them) around. Certainly not very many would post pictures, and then respond to, and gently correct, criticism about them, or take the opportunity to teach complete strangers some stuff.
You don't keep them locked away anonymously, and you don't just post up pictures and see 'look how rich I am.' You know your stuff inside and out, and you really share. In case you don't hear it enough, I really thank you.
Now, what was it like to first see that bust dollar? How would you describe the feeling? Was it pure giddiness? Was it a 'I obviously need to buy this, but I need to set a reasonable limit,' or a pure 'screw it, I'm going to own it no matter what because LOOK AT THIS DAMN THING!?"
Mr. TDN I notice you get pretty defensive about your coins. I told you multiple times that they are nice coins. With that said a quick archives search on heritage for 1868 Seated dollars will reveal plenty of well struck seated dollars. I was not trying to beat your coins up I was just stating the obvious! Enjoy them because they are nice coins!
<< <i>Mr. TDN I notice you get pretty defensive about your coins. I told you multiple times that they are nice coins. With that said a quick archives search on heritage for 1868 Seated dollars will reveal plenty of well struck seated dollars. I was not trying to beat your coins up I was just stating the obvious! Enjoy them because they are nice coins! >>
As am I stating the obvious when I say the coin is well struck for a seated dollar. I'm only trying to teach you when I correct you - there's nothing grade limiting on the strike of that coin. Even the MS67 1849 and 1866 coins have flat stars - completely flat in those cases.
Now, what was it like to first see that bust dollar? How would you describe the feeling? Was it pure giddiness? Was it a 'I obviously need to buy this, but I need to set a reasonable limit,' or a pure 'screw it, I'm going to own it no matter what because LOOK AT THIS DAMN THING!?"
Fortunately, Laura knew it was my #1 desire as it filled 'two holes' in my set and she had already committed by the time I saw it in hand. But it would have been more toward the latter.
i will humbly admit that when i first looked at the coin's pic i thought the luster was broken an awful lot on the high points for the grade of 66. The legs, breasts, and arm for example.
but when the rest of the coin is pure dynamite i imagine a grader has to judge it as a whole and such minor issues that I THINK i see are puny compared to the rest of the wonderful qualities the coin has.
so i am not saying anything about the grading because i do not know enough to state with any authority what it should be.. i am just giving a first reaction based on pics and that quickly mellows away once you stop nit picking and enjoy the coin as a whole. Definitely high grade, definitely eye appealing.
I really appreciate you teaching me Mr TDN...Ya see I am rather new to coins and get so confused very easily. Since you are in a teaching mood could you please explain to me what is inside these red circles? I knew it couldnt be wear so I figured it must be weakly struck. I guess I was sadly mistaken and I apologize a million times over
i will humbly admit that when i first looked at the coin's pic i thought the luster was broken an awful lot on the high points for the grade of 66. The legs, breasts, and arm for example.
The high points having some scuffs is not a bar to even a MS67, 68 or even 69 grade. In every MS67 and MS68 seated half I've looked at over the years, not one coin was free of high point scuffs. One would have to afford a seated dollar even more leeway. These big boys aren't graded quite as harshly as say half-dimes and dimes which often don't show high point scuffing because of their lighter weight. Seated dollars aren't grade like Morgan and Peace dollars. PCGS could have come out with that standard early on but they didn't. Bust dollars aren't graded like seated or trade dollars, and seated dollars aren't graded like Morgans. The strike is perfectly acceptable imo for a 66 grade. In 1988 this coin was probably only a MS65. But it's also not 1988 anymore where very essentially no seated dollars were graded higher than MS65.
What's inside those red circles is coin to coin contact - and the reason it's not a 67+. The coin has great mint frost and barely any bagmarks along with wonderful eye appeal - so the starting point in the grade scale is high. It's then net graded [as every coin is] for the negative attributes - and the high point contact is its most negative. The final grade PCGS and I agree upon ... 66+.
What are all those red egg shaped circles on that dollar? I find it distracting. MJ
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"...Bust dollars aren't graded like seated or trade dollars, and seated dollars aren't graded like Morgans. ..."
This is a very important comment. That coin is MUCH nicer than any Seated dollar that I recall seeing. Grade coins within a series (sometimes within a variety of a mint issue) on their own merits, not in comparison with other types of coins.
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TDN very nice additions. And as others have said I always appreciate your sharing. I'd love to see these in hand sometime to truly appreciate them. While the photos are great to look at, trying to grade something such as these coins from a photo is in many ways a bit silly. From the photo I am not sure I would have given the + on the 1868 with the obverse friction but I suspect in hand the overall coin is worthy. I also tend to be pretty conservative in grading but then its nice to have more surprises then disappointment when submissions come back.
While the photos are great to look at, trying to grade something such as these coins from a photo is in many ways a bit silly.
Well said PonyExpress8! I cannot count all the times that a coin in hand was different from even a superb photo. I enjoy looking at photos and postulating the grade as much as anyone. However, face it, grading from a photo doesn't cut it, let alone making a call as to whether it's a + or not. I don't think either PCGS or TDN took grading this Seated lightly. Thanks much for sharing, I luv that '68 Seated.
Imagine what a bin full of these fresh off the press must have looked like in 1795! Why, today you’d have to go all the way to China to see something like that.
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Those are beautiful.
Those are definitely the coins I would want If I had the
green backs to cover them. But I have to leave some money
for my Vanguard Funds.
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I like those coins....
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Thanks for posting pics of same so they can be seen and enjoyed by those of us on the forums.
The only thing that would make the experience of viewing these coins better (for you) would be if you had them in hand while sitting on the porch/veranda of your very own So. Cal. beach house, at sunset, while it is 75 degrees outside and while you are drinking your favorite libation.
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Those are beautiful. >>
What he said.
That is a purdy 1868! I love the reverse - looks exactly like I should.
As for the Small Eagle dollar - it's more prooflike and impressive in person. I had to have asked Laura to see that coin about 4 seperate times as she chatted with my dad...
Both coins get the (not so) coveted and (not so) important Speety Seal of Approval ©
Thanks!
That's a different 1868 from the original set right?
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That's a different 1868 from the original set right?
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Correct - the original set's coin was blast white - one of the finest white seated liberty coins I've ever seen.
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Congratulations and thanks for sharing.
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<< <i>.... that seated looks way over graded. MS65 at best. >>
Nope. Precisely and accurately graded at 66+
TDN - You should know better. There is no such thing as an "accurate grade", because all grading is subjective. But I'll concede that the coin looks at least 66 in the image, and that your opinion (as an expert who has, by the way, seen the coin in person) is the more credible one.
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<< <i>Nope. Precisely and accurately graded at 66+
TDN - You should know better. There is no such thing as an "accurate grade", because all grading is subjective. But I'll concede that the coin looks at least 66 in the image, and that your opinion (as an expert who has, by the way, seen the coin in person) is the more credible one. >>
'Precise and accurate' is when PCGS agrees with my personal grade!
The luster is stunning, the surfaces virgin and semi prooflike.
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<< <i>'Precise and accurate' is when PCGS agrees with my personal grade!
The luster is stunning, the surfaces virgin and semi prooflike. >>
How would you know what an ultra-high grade seated dollar would look like? It's not like you've ever had any before or anything...
I have to say, the overall look of the dupe (Malibu) 1868 you sold off a little while back still appeals to me more from the pictures, I wish we could have justified the one point upgrade...
AB
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<< <i>.... that seated looks way over graded. MS65 at best. >>
Nope. Precisely and accurately graded at 66+ >>
Dont get me wrong I like them both! Very nice coins! I was just saying thats the weakest struck MS66 Ive seen
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<< <i>.... that seated looks way over graded. MS65 at best. >>
Nope. Precisely and accurately graded at 66+ >>
Dont get me wrong I like them both! Very nice coins! I was just saying thats the weakest struck MS66 Ive seen >>
<< <i>Pretty nice TDN...
AB
The bust dollar. Incredible luster for a bust dollar!
Love them! I'm especially fond of the '68...the small eagle just looks a bit too white for my taste.
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I am SO happy that YOU own the coins you own. So many people that buy coins like these might just lock them in a vault and never show them (or pictures of them) around. Certainly not very many would post pictures, and then respond to, and gently correct, criticism about them, or take the opportunity to teach complete strangers some stuff.
You don't keep them locked away anonymously, and you don't just post up pictures and see 'look how rich I am.' You know your stuff inside and out, and you really share. In case you don't hear it enough, I really thank you.
Now, what was it like to first see that bust dollar? How would you describe the feeling? Was it pure giddiness? Was it a 'I obviously need to buy this, but I need to set a reasonable limit,' or a pure 'screw it, I'm going to own it no matter what because LOOK AT THIS DAMN THING!?"
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<< <i>Mr. TDN I notice you get pretty defensive about your coins. I told you multiple times that they are nice coins. With that said a quick archives search on heritage for 1868 Seated dollars will reveal plenty of well struck seated dollars. I was not trying to beat your coins up I was just stating the obvious! Enjoy them because they are nice coins!
As am I stating the obvious when I say the coin is well struck for a seated dollar. I'm only trying to teach you when I correct you - there's nothing grade limiting on the strike of that coin. Even the MS67 1849 and 1866 coins have flat stars - completely flat in those cases.
Fortunately, Laura knew it was my #1 desire as it filled 'two holes' in my set and she had already committed by the time I saw it in hand. But it would have been more toward the latter.
broken an awful lot on the high points for the grade of 66. The legs, breasts, and
arm for example.
but when the rest of the coin is pure dynamite i imagine a grader has to judge it
as a whole and such minor issues that I THINK i see are puny compared to the
rest of the wonderful qualities the coin has.
so i am not saying anything about the grading because i do not know enough to
state with any authority what it should be.. i am just giving a first reaction based
on pics and that quickly mellows away once you stop nit picking and enjoy the coin as
a whole. Definitely high grade, definitely eye appealing.
broken an awful lot on the high points for the grade of 66. The legs, breasts, and
arm for example.
The high points having some scuffs is not a bar to even a MS67, 68 or even 69 grade. In every MS67 and MS68 seated half I've looked at over the years, not one
coin was free of high point scuffs. One would have to afford a seated dollar even more leeway. These big boys aren't graded quite as harshly as say half-dimes and dimes
which often don't show high point scuffing because of their lighter weight. Seated dollars aren't grade like Morgan and Peace dollars. PCGS could have come out with that
standard early on but they didn't. Bust dollars aren't graded like seated or trade dollars, and seated dollars aren't graded like Morgans. The strike is perfectly acceptable
imo for a 66 grade. In 1988 this coin was probably only a MS65. But it's also not 1988 anymore where very essentially no seated dollars were graded higher than MS65.
roadrunner
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I would like the 1795 much much better if it hadn't been dipped, and I'm sure its been dipped a few times over the years.
This is a very important comment. That coin is MUCH nicer than any Seated dollar that I recall seeing.
Grade coins within a series (sometimes within a variety of a mint issue) on their own merits, not in
comparison with other types of coins.
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Well said PonyExpress8! I cannot count all the times that a coin in hand was different from even a superb photo. I enjoy looking at photos and postulating the grade as much as anyone. However, face it, grading from a photo doesn't cut it, let alone making a call as to whether it's a + or not. I don't think either PCGS or TDN took grading this Seated lightly. Thanks much for sharing, I luv that '68 Seated.
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Imagine what a bin full of these fresh off the press must have looked like in 1795! Why, today you’d have to go all the way to China to see something like that.
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