There are a large number of blast white silver coins in straight grade holders.
So I guess it depends on the coin and what the graders believe to be acceptable cleaning.
Back in the heyday it was common to dip coins. I guess those are the "properly cleaned" coins.
If you want to see them really relaxing on whether a coin has been cleaned or not take a look at some of the midgrade Barbers being graded problem free now!
@TopographicOceans said: "There are a large number of blast white silver coins in straight grade holders. So I guess it depends on the coin and what the graders believe to be acceptable cleaning."
IMHO, this is a very confusing post as I have NEVER associated the term "Blast White" with a cleaned or altered coin. I thought it was applied to those mouth watering, headlight blazing, desirable "white" gems that look fresh off the press no mater what was done to them in the past or how they were stored.
A cleaned coin is not ungradable. The Early American Copper people grade them all the time. If they didn't there would be a lot of early copper coins that would be ungradable and unsalable.
The copper collectors net grade their coins, but the problem for the grading services is that there are no hard and fast rules for net grading, nor can there be. Every problem coin is different and experts' interpretations of the problems are not all the same. One expert might net grade a coin with EF sharpness to VF-20 while another might call it Fine-12.
Another problem is that the grading services once thought they could standardize grades to the point where coins could be traded sight unseen. Under this theory two coins that each graded MS-63 would have the same market value, but experienced collectors and dealers know that is not necessarily true. Between two coins with the same grade one might be perceived as nicer.
This gets more complicated if you apply the "it's the same grade so it's of equal value" for the circulated grades. For many collectors, a "straight graded Fine" is more desirable that an VF that is net graded to Fine because of a problem.
So that leaves us with the current system that has wording like "EF sharpness, environmental damage." It's not perfect but under the circumstances, it's the best we can do.
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for example where ngc would grade many cleaned coins as “unc details, improperly cleaned” I think a better way would be
“ms62 cleaned” leave it at that or if the cleaning was harsher it would say “ms62 harshly cleaned” All coins are usually gradable.
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I jumped into a thread from 2011 that was opened on April 30th by another member. Color me red and dumb. I thought everyone was going nuts and the TPGS had regressed back to 1986! I shall look at the dates of the posts from now on.
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ICG does the same.
There are a large number of blast white silver coins in straight grade holders.
So I guess it depends on the coin and what the graders believe to be acceptable cleaning.
Back in the heyday it was common to dip coins. I guess those are the "properly cleaned" coins.
If you want to see them really relaxing on whether a coin has been cleaned or not take a look at some of the midgrade Barbers being graded problem free now!
@TopographicOceans said: "There are a large number of blast white silver coins in straight grade holders. So I guess it depends on the coin and what the graders believe to be acceptable cleaning."
IMHO, this is a very confusing post as I have NEVER associated the term "Blast White" with a cleaned or altered coin. I thought it was applied to those mouth watering, headlight blazing, desirable "white" gems that look fresh off the press no mater what was done to them in the past or how they were stored.
A cleaned coin is not ungradable. The Early American Copper people grade them all the time. If they didn't there would be a lot of early copper coins that would be ungradable and unsalable.
The copper collectors net grade their coins, but the problem for the grading services is that there are no hard and fast rules for net grading, nor can there be. Every problem coin is different and experts' interpretations of the problems are not all the same. One expert might net grade a coin with EF sharpness to VF-20 while another might call it Fine-12.
Another problem is that the grading services once thought they could standardize grades to the point where coins could be traded sight unseen. Under this theory two coins that each graded MS-63 would have the same market value, but experienced collectors and dealers know that is not necessarily true. Between two coins with the same grade one might be perceived as nicer.
This gets more complicated if you apply the "it's the same grade so it's of equal value" for the circulated grades. For many collectors, a "straight graded Fine" is more desirable that an VF that is net graded to Fine because of a problem.
So that leaves us with the current system that has wording like "EF sharpness, environmental damage." It's not perfect but under the circumstances, it's the best we can do.
for example where ngc would grade many cleaned coins as “unc details, improperly cleaned” I think a better way would be
“ms62 cleaned” leave it at that or if the cleaning was harsher it would say “ms62 harshly cleaned” All coins are usually gradable.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
I jumped into a thread from 2011 that was opened on April 30th by another member. Color me red and dumb. I thought everyone was going nuts and the TPGS had regressed back to 1986! I shall look at the dates of the posts from now on.