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1943 bronze cent in the Red Book?
Dentuck
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The 1943 bronze Lincoln cent is mentioned in the text of the Red Book (see the 69th edition, page 116). However, it doesn't have a line-item listing in the price charts. Do you think it should?
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However, I cringe at the increased
number of phone calls coin shops
around the country will get !!
Along with a 48-point font disclaimer describing the magnet test.
A historic issue recorded in a trusted volume = informed readers. JMHO
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<< <i>Along with a 48-point font disclaimer describing the magnet test >>
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
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<< <i>Should the Red Book be consistent? If they list the copper 1943 cent, shouldn't they then list all off metal mint errors? >>
Encyclopedias have to be consistent.
The Redbook is a popular volume, a 'guide'.
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Yes, the 1943 bronze cents should have a line in the Red Book. There now is even a real actual price for the coins. BUT, in exchange, I think you should REMOVE the line for the 1917 Matte Proof Lincoln cent in the Red Book. Such a coin does NOT exist except in peoples "minds". When PCGS or NGC authenticate one, then that coin can have a line. Until then, please remove it from the Red Book. Thanks.
Steve
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<< <i>It is a real coin, they exist in collections. Legend hyped one just recently. Certainly it should be a line item. Cheers, RickO >>
Should other off metal mint errors be listed? They are also real coins and they also exist in collections.
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There's one for sale on eBay at this time:
1943 non-steel
<< <i>Where does one stop with off-metal mint errors? >>
Agree. Should we also list the steel 1944 error cents?
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<< <i>Where does one stop with off-metal mint errors? >>
It's a question of notoriety. I think this one is pretty clear cut, actually. Probably they already decided and now Dentuck is just stirring the pot
I knew Dentuck was a true epicure, but did not realize he also did the cooking.
<< <i> …now Dentuck is just stirring the pot.
I knew Dentuck was a true epicure, but did not realize he also did the cooking. >>
Is the 1943 bronze a "meat and potatoes" coin, or is it simply being dangled as a carrot. Let's stew over that for a bit.
<< <i>I strongly believe it should.
However, I cringe at the increased
number of phone calls coin shops
around the country will get !! >>
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<< <i>Such a coin does NOT exist except in peoples "minds". When PCGS or NGC authenticate one, then that coin can have a line. >>
If you pick up a coin in the forest but the TPGs never hear about it, does the coin really exist?
<< <i>It is an error and not a variety, so a mention is right, but it shouldn't have a line, otherwise there would need to be a line for every error. An impressive error, but no line... >>
It's less impressive than the Indian cents and Lincoln cents struck in gold on quarter eagle planchets. Perhaps they should be listed in the Red Book.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The other coins mentioned are Off Metal or
Wrong Planchet errors, and I wouldn't expect
Whitman to list them all.
Transitionals are a different animal, in my view.
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There are so many other coins that deserve to be there first... how about getting pics of all of the modern commemoratives in the book first!!! Was looking on the BST the other day at a listing and went to my Redbook to see what the coin looked like and couldn't believe there wasn't a pic of each modern commemorative. Surely the average collecor is much more likely to need those pics vs. a listing of a coin they will never own and probably never even see.
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<< <i>I guess I'm a minority who believes the Red Book should NOT show line items for varieties and mint errors. And yes this includes 3-legged Buffalo nickels, the 1922 Plain cent, and the 1955 doubled die. >>
The 55DD has like 20000 specimens floating around out there with established pricing and you dont want a line item in the Red book ?
1. the number of non-collectors that find fakes and go looking for information is very high
2. One of the few coins that has crossed over to mythic proportions in Americana even in the general public
3. There aren't that many less known as 69's DDO and they are in there.
4. Back story with the war and all is very cool
The Red Book is the definitive reference guide and often a collectors first coin book, it should have all the major dream coins and most if not all of the top 100. As I said in another post when I held my first flowing hair coin that I bought the other day, it brought back all the memories of flipping through the early red books when I was wishing and dreaming. Part of the greatness of the redbook is to convey the attraction of all of the low mintage's, rare mistakes, midnight pressings, accidental melting & reused dies while acting as a launching pad once the desire/collecting spark is sparked to go out and find examples and learn more.
In a nut shell I don't think you can tell the story of American coins without the 1943 copper penny, it should be a line item with a * leading to a sentence or two about the war,Henry ford, magnets ect.
I vote No.
<< <i>It should be listed.
Along with a 48-point font disclaimer describing the magnet test. >>
...yes indeed.
<< <i>It is an error and not a variety, so a mention is right, but it shouldn't have a line, otherwise there would need to be a line for every error. An impressive error, but no line... >>
My point of view exactly.
One thing that is bugging me is the 1856 Flying Eagle Cent (now that we are talking about what should be in the guide book). Yes, it has been traditionally listed as a regular issue, but it clearly is not. I believe there is a mention out there that it usually is considered a pattern yet it is priced and listed as a regular issue. Why? In that case, coins such as 1858 Indian Head Cents and 1882 Liberty Nickels should be included as well, IMHO. They are all transitional patterns issued a year before the first regular issue, like the 1856 Flying Eagle Cent.
Sorry for the rant here
Dennis
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<< <i>I strongly believe it should.
However, I cringe at the increased
number of phone calls coin shops
around the country will get !! >>
Agreed.
<< <i>It should be listed.
Along with a 48-point font disclaimer describing the magnet test. >>
no kidding