<< <i>"So pardon me if I call bullcrap on your statement. "
I have better things to do other than your research...... >>
Classic.
It's customary, when making disparaging comments about a great coin and accusing a TPG of holdering doctored material, to have a least a bit of evidence to back up one's statement. Like I said, 3 auction appearances and I was there for two of them and have the catalog for the third. Nothing there - not even close to your statement. So you either flat out made it up in a mean spirited [libelous?] manner or you are grossly mistaken but too far gone to recognize it.
Anyone - do me a favor, pick up the phone and call Brandon...he'll tell you exactly what I have said. His number is 972-746-9193. (It wouldn't be too persuasive for me to do it, now would it?)
Furthermore, I don't presume to know much about electrical contracting.....you too might not know too much about law and might want to bone up on words like "libelous".
And, I'm not mean spirited....I just pointed out the coin's flaws. You can't handle that? I mean, you didn't make the flaws, did you? So, loosen up!
<< <i>Anyone - do me a favor, pick up the phone and call Brandon...he'll tell you exactly what I have said. His number is 972-746-9193. (It wouldn't be too persuasive for me to do it, now would it?)
Furthermore, I don't presume to know much about electrical contracting.....you too might not know too much about law and might want to bone up on words like "libelous".
And, I'm not mean spirited....I just pointed out the coin's flaws. You can't handle that? I mean, you didn't make the flaws, did you? So, loosen up! >>
No, I'm not going to do your work for you. I have some laundry and brush cleaning to do. Do yourself a favor and post the EVIDENCE that you stated. Post a quote from the auction catalog stating that the rims are filed. You insinuated that the new buyer was uninformed and stupid and that the coin was 'improved' - so put up or shut up!
I think we need to ban the word "libel" on this forum... IMO, it's used too often... let's start using nefarious.
I can't believe Adrian picked up on libel and posted it before I did... if I hadn't been away from this forum for 18 hours, it wouldn't have taken me 20 minutes to read this thread and I would have posted my comment before Adrian.
<< <i>Anyone - do me a favor, pick up the phone and call Brandon...he'll tell you exactly what I have said. His number is 972-746-9193. (It wouldn't be too persuasive for me to do it, now would it?) >>
Translation: he's not taking my calls
<< <i>Furthermore, I don't presume to know much about electrical contracting.....you too might not know too much about law and might want to bone up on words like "libelous". >>
I don't have to be right - I only have to make one person think that I *might* be right.
<< <i>And, I'm not mean spirited....I just pointed out the coin's flaws. You can't handle that? I mean, you didn't make the flaws, did you? So, loosen up! >>
Yes, you mistakenly pointed out the coin's supposed flaws, insinuated that the buyer made a mistake and basically accused PCGS of holdering a doctored coin. All in a nice and pleasant manner. /eyeroll
It is generally understood that the person making a claim is responsible for presenting evidence of such. If you tell me there's a unicorn in your garage, it's not my responsibility to confirm the accuracy of your claim.
I'm sure the Mona Lisa has a scratch or two and even a spittle spot if you look closely enough. It's still the Mona Lisa and this coin is a well-preserved masterpiece. And envy is envy.
<< <i>I'm sure the Mona Lisa has a scratch or two and even a spittle spot if you look closely enough. It's still the Mona Lisa and this coin is a well-preserved masterpiece. And envy is envy. >>
Exactly..........and not to mention how many times the Mona Lisa as well as many other famous multi-million dollar works of art have been heavily conserved over the years. A chain cent in Good-4 is a nice item, a high grade circ is a very nice item, and a high grade MS chain cent (and a specimen to boot) is an exceptional item IMO. Many of the great rarities in US coinage can be picked apart if one is inclined to do so. For example take a look at the famous 1870-S $3.00 gold which is the only known specimen and has graffiti carved in the fields. Take a look at the 1822 $5.00 gold (3 known, 2 in private hands) and they are all circulated with their fair share of dings and gouges, etc. Look at the Dexter 1804 dollar which has a small "D" stamped into the reverse. Yet, these are all still great and highly desirable US rarities as I see it.
Hey its a nice coin. We can sit here all day long and an pick apart great rarities with flaws. Scratch, planchet flaw, whatever you want to call it, but lets face it, thats why its a 65 and not a 67 or 68. Whats a SP68RD Chain Cent worth anyway? Probably a million or more than TDN's coin. I appreciate the coin for what it is, a special Chain Cent. There are two ways to view a 65. You can discuss forever what a great Gem a 65 is and how much better it is than the average unc, or you can just fire away at all the hits and marks that causes the coin to grade less than 70. Half full, half empty. I think the focus should be on the number one thing that makes this coin awesome even before it hits the grading scale: Specimen Strike.
Its been said around here a lot that collectors focus wayyy to much on surface abrasions than orginality and mint bloom.
I like it when people criticize coins, its how I learn. But the way Anaconda discusses the coin, it sounds like venom, and then it starts taking an entire diff direction, who's right, who's wrong, its my right to.....blah blah.
<< <i> Whats a SP68RD Chain Cent worth anyway? Probably a million or more than TDN's coin. >>
There aren't any. The Jay Parrino coins are as good they get. He brought them to Long Beach in the mid '90's, and I got to see the Wreath SP68RED and "the coin". I have never seen any chain with mint red on it.
Just had the 1793 Chain in SP67 and the 1793 in SP68RD in my hand this summer. Incredible coins!
This SP65 has a different fabric to it, as does the SP67. Both great coins!
FYI: for those who do not believe our coin market is international: that coin is being enjoyed by a collector in the Far East who we built and incredible 1793 copper set for. Kinda shocked us too.
To begin with... wow!! Simply an amazing coin and congratulations to TDN on the acquisition. This is the rarified air at the upper levels of numismatics that we aspire to.
In closing... "all the world is a critic"...
Again, congrats...
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Does anyone know why it only say's AMERI? There seems to be room for the rest of the word.
Logically the Engraver was trying to balance the legend right vs. left. Bad choice.
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@tradedollarnut said:
It's a SP65 ... the cert verification needs to be fixed. It has lovely semi prooflike mirrors combined with swirling luster. The picture shows the details, but not the life of the coin. The flaw through OF is on the planchet.
This deal was mine, so noone but me ever got a shot at the coin. I've already turned down several offers at a significant profit. But these are the kinds of coins that I want to collect - not for sale!!!
How did Laura sneak in a favorable market report here ?
I know 8 years hold time is a long time, but collectors of old held coins for decades. This one went to the Far East. Is that near Costa Rica ?
Anyway, I'd have taken the profit over the coin, too. Why not ?
@Justacommeman said:
Adrian once contacted me about a business proposition. I passed. Perhaps I was too hasty in saying no.
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Were young women involved?
Unfortunately just coin related
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@MidLifeCrisis said:
<< <i>Please tell me that is a die crack and not a scratch.... >>
To those of you who were concerned with OF on the reverse: YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!
I'm glad to hear that it's an as-made planchet defect...but even if it was a staple scratch or a knife carving, it would not detract one bit from the beauty of this awesome coin!
Congrats TDN!
Have to agree. It would be a shame for a coin like that to otherwise end up in a details holder due to a staple scratch.
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<< <i>"So pardon me if I call bullcrap on your statement. "
I have better things to do other than your research...... >>
Classic.
It's customary, when making disparaging comments about a great coin and accusing a TPG of holdering doctored material, to have a least a bit of evidence to back up one's statement. Like I said, 3 auction appearances and I was there for two of them and have the catalog for the third. Nothing there - not even close to your statement. So you either flat out made it up in a mean spirited [libelous?] manner or you are grossly mistaken but too far gone to recognize it.
Furthermore, I don't presume to know much about electrical contracting.....you too might not know too much about law and might want to bone up on words like "libelous".
And, I'm not mean spirited....I just pointed out the coin's flaws. You can't handle that? I mean, you didn't make the flaws, did you? So, loosen up!
<< <i>Anyone - do me a favor, pick up the phone and call Brandon...he'll tell you exactly what I have said. His number is 972-746-9193. (It wouldn't be too persuasive for me to do it, now would it?)
Furthermore, I don't presume to know much about electrical contracting.....you too might not know too much about law and might want to bone up on words like "libelous".
And, I'm not mean spirited....I just pointed out the coin's flaws. You can't handle that? I mean, you didn't make the flaws, did you? So, loosen up! >>
No, I'm not going to do your work for you. I have some laundry and brush cleaning to do. Do yourself a favor and post the EVIDENCE that you stated. Post a quote from the auction catalog stating that the rims are filed. You insinuated that the new buyer was uninformed and stupid and that the coin was 'improved' - so put up or shut up!
I can't believe Adrian picked up on libel and posted it before I did... if I hadn't been away from this forum for 18 hours, it wouldn't have taken me 20 minutes to read this thread and I would have posted my comment before Adrian.
<< <i>Anyone - do me a favor, pick up the phone and call Brandon...he'll tell you exactly what I have said. His number is 972-746-9193. (It wouldn't be too persuasive for me to do it, now would it?) >>
Translation: he's not taking my calls
<< <i>Furthermore, I don't presume to know much about electrical contracting.....you too might not know too much about law and might want to bone up on words like "libelous". >>
I don't have to be right - I only have to make one person think that I *might* be right.
<< <i>And, I'm not mean spirited....I just pointed out the coin's flaws. You can't handle that? I mean, you didn't make the flaws, did you? So, loosen up! >>
Yes, you mistakenly pointed out the coin's supposed flaws, insinuated that the buyer made a mistake and basically accused PCGS of holdering a doctored coin. All in a nice and pleasant manner. /eyeroll
<< <i>Strange to read a thread where everyone is right and everyone is wrong at the same time. >>
I vote for this as the "Most astute observation of the Year!"
Just sayin'...
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<< <i>I'm sure the Mona Lisa has a scratch or two and even a spittle spot if you look closely enough. It's still the Mona Lisa and this coin is a well-preserved masterpiece. And envy is envy. >>
Exactly..........and not to mention how many times the Mona Lisa as well as many other famous multi-million dollar works of art have been heavily conserved over the years. A chain cent in Good-4 is a nice item, a high grade circ is a very nice item, and a high grade MS chain cent (and a specimen to boot) is an exceptional item IMO. Many of the great rarities in US coinage can be picked apart if one is inclined to do so. For example take a look at the famous 1870-S $3.00 gold which is the only known specimen and has graffiti carved in the fields. Take a look at the 1822 $5.00 gold (3 known, 2 in private hands) and they are all circulated with their fair share of dings and gouges, etc. Look at the Dexter 1804 dollar which has a small "D" stamped into the reverse. Yet, these are all still great and highly desirable US rarities as I see it.
Its been said around here a lot that collectors focus wayyy to much on surface abrasions than orginality and mint bloom.
I like it when people criticize coins, its how I learn. But the way Anaconda discusses the coin, it sounds like venom, and then it starts taking an entire diff direction, who's right, who's wrong, its my right to.....blah blah.
<< <i> Whats a SP68RD Chain Cent worth anyway? Probably a million or more than TDN's coin. >>
There aren't any. The Jay Parrino coins are as good they get. He brought them to Long Beach in the mid '90's, and I got to see the Wreath SP68RED and "the coin". I have never seen any chain with mint red on it.
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PS: Why does anyone even entertain/reply to the comments left by ANACONDA/Adrian? He LOVES to get everyone wound up. Is it worth it? I dont think so.
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<< <i>OK... Great coin people... This is a thread about a great coin. >>
Coin is nice... but what about the plastic?
7 YEAR OLD THREAD ALERT!!!!
It’s not nice to insult Anaconda like that
Wow
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https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
+1
Just had the 1793 Chain in SP67 and the 1793 in SP68RD in my hand this summer. Incredible coins!
This SP65 has a different fabric to it, as does the SP67. Both great coins!
FYI: for those who do not believe our coin market is international: that coin is being enjoyed by a collector in the Far East who we built and incredible 1793 copper set for. Kinda shocked us too.
The coin is friggen amazing
What is the coin's provenance? How far back can it be traced?
I just fell off my chair. Stop it NOW. ROTFLMFAO
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Or how far forward? Do we know who the current owner is?
Nice coin !!
I'm more interested in when the coin was first offered for sale and who the previous owners were. It looks like no one has an answer.
It's owned by someone in the "Far East" now? TD, how could you??
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
I’m more interested to know who the current owner is and how the market is attracting new collectors. It looks like this may be private info!
Top shelf for sure!
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To begin with... wow!! Simply an amazing coin and congratulations to TDN on the acquisition. This is the rarified air at the upper levels of numismatics that we aspire to.
In closing... "all the world is a critic"...
Again, congrats...
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Were young women involved?
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
So back to that awsome coin.
Does anyone know why it only say's AMERI? There seems to be room for the rest of the word.
Logically the Engraver was trying to balance the legend right vs. left. Bad choice.
How did Laura sneak in a favorable market report here ?
I know 8 years hold time is a long time, but collectors of old held coins for decades. This one went to the Far East. Is that near Costa Rica ?
Anyway, I'd have taken the profit over the coin, too. Why not ?
Unfortunately just coin related
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Have to agree. It would be a shame for a coin like that to otherwise end up in a details holder due to a staple scratch.
Maybe that alert would have helped if it had shown up on the first page.
Ironic that the possibly first coin ever minted in America is no longer in America.
Very few 7 y. o. thread interested me (well, maybe none), but this 1 does.
Thx, TDN and congratulations on such a story.
Wow! Just wow.
Very interesting thread, it all happened a month before I joined here. I think this place has mellowed a bit since then.
Neat. And ironic. Still a good read 🤪
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