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PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
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I don't know what to say .......... , in an upcoming T.T auction .

Looks like an example of a MS65 coin that got a 64 because they "weren't sure" .

End roll toned ? Baked ? you be the judge

I can say that it will bring huge money image
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    unusual color pattern.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never seen silver with the grain pattern of some exotic hardwood image
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm voting AT on that one.
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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
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    ooop's !

    I spoke too soon ..........this is the brother coin in the same auction ; graded PCGS MS 66 !

    I guess they were "sure" and the MS 64 is really a MS 64 .

    I can say that this MS 66 will sell for MORE then HUGE money !!!
  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    Looks like they found them floating in an oil slick! image
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a coin that is on LSD. >>



    Both of them image

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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Together, they are very questionable...
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  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Together, they are very questionable... >>



    Not to me. I'll pass.image


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  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭

    AT.................................IMO
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  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Groovy image
  • deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    i think the gold and silver prices are bringing out some outrageous rainbow toned end roll coins ? these coins have been locked up from the early 1960's until now , i think it's the real deal !!
  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
    horrible AT
  • MonstarcoinsMonstarcoins Posts: 778
    That MS66 would fit nice in my set. Thanks for showing this......now lets let the thread dissapear image lol
  • max42565max42565 Posts: 71
    I know one thing I would stay far away from it, looks some some of the homegrown toning you see on e-bay. Makes you wonder who is doing the grading anymore at the services. If they would bag coins like this consistently,there would be alot less of it going on, after all your not hurting someone when you net it down a point or two as most of the time they take a mid range unc and do this, there money is not dependant on the grade just getting it into a problem free holder is what the ATer wants. If it does not get into a holder,they just dip it off and it is still a mid range unc. If you go back to before certification, when coins like this came up for auction, B&M,Stacks,Goldberg ect had no problem calling coins like this AT, they pretty much stopped doing that if a coin is certified by pcgs,ngc,anacs.
    not an expert,just well informed.
  • deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    the graders at pcgs have seen plenty of at coins ! don't you think they know natural toning when they see it ?
  • max42565max42565 Posts: 71


    << <i>the graders at pcgs have seen plenty of at coins ! don't you think they know natural toning when they see it ? >>

    No not alot of the time they dont in my opinion. Also look any old school collection, Eliasberg,Pittman, Pryor ect, and tell me if there were ANY coins that even resembled what we are seeing today, I have had coins since the 70s in all types of holders, albums, storage conditions ect, NONE even come close to looking like like that POS. Just my opinion.
    not an expert,just well informed.
  • MadMonkMadMonk Posts: 3,743 ✭
    Amazing what you can do with a blow torch





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  • BXBOY143BXBOY143 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭
    Maybe soaked in ANTIFREEZE.......for a long time..... image
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  • BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
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  • Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭
    I bet you they are both NT.... they were probably stored improperly in a hot enviorment. Could have been a garage in a trunk etc.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,205 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I bet you they are both NT.... they were probably stored improperly in a hot enviorment. Could have been a garage in a trunk etc. >>



    IMO, stored improperly in a hot environment is AT, not NT. But the more I think about it, the more I realized that the line between the two is so blurred that the only thing that matters is whether it's Market Acceptable or not.
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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    .I see some PCGS Franklins at Heritage tonight are going for extremely strong prices -

    and the past month or so there has been mind bending dollar amounts being spent on nice colored one's as well .

    I watch/study Franklin prices as well as anyone and I can say with out a doubt ; colorful , professionally graded examples are going through the roof
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    these coin's are worth a second look ; never in my 20+ years of collecting toned Franklins have I seen anything quite like this !

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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    They are quite plausibly just the end coins of a roll.
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    now your talkin' image

    side by side it's hard to tell which is the 64 and which is the 66 !
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Looks torched or otherwise heated. But what do I know.

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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ehhhhh, I'm not sure. It could be EOR, as I've seen some IMO NT 1963's that look like that, although not quite as vibrant (which could be an image issue). OTOH, I've never seen a '56 look anywhere near like that. Let's just say, I won't be bidding on them.

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  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭
    I have these two, I think these are the two skyman was talking about. I took these from a roll myself image
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  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
    To tradedollarnut's point, I would say not market acceptable.
    There is no "AT" or "NT". We only have "market acceptable" or "not market acceptable.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,672 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin, and I really do not like these Franklins, but the color on this one is nice, but it has a strange pattern....
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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭


    << <i>I have these two, I think these are the two skyman was talking about. I took these from a roll myself >>




    will I take back my comments then ........... I remember seeing images of your coins before !
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>these coin's are worth a second look ; never in my 20+ years of collecting toned Franklins have I seen anything quite like this !

    >>




    Ditto.

    What the hell do we have here???



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  • JakSunnJakSunn Posts: 23
    Looks like a toaster oven coin to me!
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>these coin's are worth a second look ; never in my 20+ years of collecting toned Franklins have I seen anything quite like this !

    >>




    Ditto.

    What the hell do we have here??? >>




    ahhhh , we have two spectacularly toned Franklin's that PCGS has holdered as MS 64 and MS66 !

    that is all it is safe to say about them image
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    Ye old coins from ye old sulfur mining district...
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    is it safe?
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  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i think the gold and silver prices are bringing out some outrageous rainbow toned end roll coins ? these coins have been locked up from the early 1960's until now , i think it's the real deal !! >>



    There's more to this statement than meets the eye.

    Last month at the Vienna, VA show there was a group of original paper wrapped rolls of roosies and Franklins that were LOCKED down in a dealer's display. Over them laid a "sold" sign. He sold them for melt'ish price. I could see wild MONSTER colors on the end of several of the rolls. The dealer let me peak and these end-roll coins were sick, one of the Franklins had something similar to the OP coins just a little more developed deeper color. I tried to bribe the dealer into talking the buyer into letting me buy the end -coins - to no avail. And so I had to watch those coins walk out the door. The new owner did not care one bit about the end coins.

    Another local dealer took me into his safe. He had just acquired an entire collection of morgans in paper rolls. There were thirty or forty. A half dozen rolls had deep end toned color. He didn't really know what to do with them and had already sold the roll with the "best" color according to him.

    These are just two examples but I bet this is happening many times over every day.
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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    good input Jeff ............

    but I don't think it's safe yet
  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484
    Who else is bidding on it?
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    it's not safe yet .............. the auction is tonight and last I looked ,both were priced way out of range for most
  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484


    << <i>it's not safe yet .............. the auction is tonight and last I looked ,both were priced way out of range for most >>

    Yea someone is in a bid war with me lol
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    When I opened this thread and saw those 2 coins, I pictured a certain MS67* Peace dollar that NGC holdered awhile back. image
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>it's not safe yet .............. the auction is tonight and last I looked ,both were priced way out of range for most >>

    Yea someone is in a bid war with me lol >>



    Hey .....I thought you were selling your Franklins and getting back into Patterns ?

    If your seriously bidding near 2000$ for a '56 PCGS MS66 ............ may the force be with you
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT and ugly.
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    the MS64 brought 1000$ .............., the MS66 fetched 3600$


  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>it's not safe yet .............. the auction is tonight and last I looked ,both were priced way out of range for most >>

    Yea someone is in a bid war with me lol >>



    Hey .....I thought you were selling your Franklins and getting back into Patterns ?

    If your seriously bidding near 2000$ for a '56 PCGS MS66 ............ may the force be with you >>

    I am back into patterns image and frankies hehe
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At those prices I wouldn't touch those coins with a ten foot pole.
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  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484
    Yea I dropped out around 2k. I'm sure the seller is laughing all the way to the bank lol.
  • jomjom Posts: 3,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, if the coin went for > $2k it was most certainly "market acceptable". At least for the ones who were bidding.

    AT or NT? Who cares? I certainly don't. The only thing I care about is how it looks to me. And I find it hideous.

    jom

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