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MetalPorn™ Friday (Kinzoku wa kin'yobi poruno)

Hope you don't mind me paying a little tribute to Japan in the subject.

My newps for the week.
A little silver bar, is that Johnson Matthey & Mallory? Weird it doesn't have a serial.
And a nice gift from SmallDollars.com. I used his website in my italian blog and Mike was so kind to send me a sample slab! image

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  • fishteethfishteeth Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This weeks additions to my pile of gold
    1869-S 20
    1914-D 20
    1836 2 1/2 cleaned
    1871-S 2 1/2
    1914-D

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  • The lady said to buy the dip this week ...... so ....


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    ( 1 oz. Gold Phils )
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,266 ✭✭✭

    dang, that just ain't even funny SB.
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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>dang, that just ain't even funny SB. >>




    Wow SB - You're porn is hardcore! image
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are those Philharmonics? Whatever they are, they glimmer real nice!image

    And 1,300 oz of silver as well? Dang, you DID buy the dip.image
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  • CiccioCiccio Posts: 1,405


    << <i>Are those Philharmonics? Whatever they are, they glimmer real nice!image >>



    They are amazing! I thought they are Buffalos but they are too big.

    Thanks for sharing SB
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They look like those thin gold Coronas(sp).
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Gee, I was just gonna post my little 5 1 oz'er s of cool silver art I picked up this week, but SB's post ruined it for me. image
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been looking for a JM set like the one below for a while...finally managed to locate one:

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  • chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the ridiculous to the sublime........

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  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭✭
    Now that I'm finally home from Afghanistan (yet again), I can start participating in this weekly thread! I'm not an Engelhard expert by any means, but I've never seen a reverse pattern on an Engelhard 10-Oz bar as displayed in the last two images. It's a raised checkered pattern on one of the bars. I purchased the two poured (bull) bars on the right from an online dealer so I was not expecting anything out of the ordinary. The reverse pattern was on the bar with the lower serial number (#197355).

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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231
    Very strange grid pattern! It looks like it MAY have been added though based on what appears to be some depressions/flattening on the front of the bar. A squeeze in a vice perhaps?
  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting. I have never seen a waffled reverse on ehnglehard loafs either...

    Edited to add: Welcome back Sebrown... glad you got home safe! image
  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Pretty much hit my Au goal took a little inventory todayimage
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    Stack's has a few Monster GSA's at auction so I might have to cash some my stack soon!image
    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Now that I'm finally home from Afghanistan (yet again), I can start participating in this weekly thread! I'm not an Engelhard expert by any means, but I've never seen a reverse pattern on an Engelhard 10-Oz bar as displayed in the last two images. It's a raised checkered pattern on one of the bars. I purchased the two poured (bull) bars on the right from an online dealer so I was not expecting anything out of the ordinary. The reverse pattern was on the bar with the lower serial number (#197355).

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    Looks like it was struck that way, but I do not recall seeing that grid pattern before.
    TD
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231
    The areas circled in red are what bother me. Flat areas, like on the left, and deep indentations like on the right are fairly common on these poured bars. But when accompanied by a waffled reverse, these marks need to be considered. It absolutely COULD be legit...as minted. But based on my primary observations, i'd say there is a very high probability that the waffle was added a some later time. I look forward to Baron's thoughts!









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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I took the photo layout to mean that the one with the serial number ending in 501 was the one with the waffle reverse.

    Please clarify.

    TD
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>I took the photo layout to mean that the one with the serial number ending in 501 was the one with the waffle reverse.

    Please clarify.

    TD >>





    From the poster's description of the bar:


    "The reverse pattern was on the bar with the lower serial number (#197355)."



    Does this change your opinion on the originality Tom? Like I said above....finding these bars a tad bit beat up is common. That bar could have those obverse marks/damage with no waffle reverse and I would think nothing more than it had been tossed around a few times. But only because of the waffling do I make it a point to note such damage.

  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭✭
    Very Nice GSA! image ...And Thanks Meltdown for the kind words!




    << <i>Very strange grid pattern! It looks like it MAY have been added though based on what appears to be some depressions/flattening on the front of the bar. A squeeze in a vice perhaps? >>




    Those grid lines in the pics can play a trick (optical illusion) on the mind where it looks like they are cut/pressed into the bar, but actually the lines are raised and the bottom of those squares are even with the outsides of the bar. I broke out the Macro and added a couple more pics in different lighting - natural from the window and lights on the copy stand. I'm not trying to make this thread about this odd bar - just trying to share!



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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I took the photo layout to mean that the one with the serial number ending in 501 was the one with the waffle reverse.

    Please clarify.

    TD >>





    From the poster's description of the bar:


    "The reverse pattern was on the bar with the lower serial number (#197355)."



    Does this change your opinion on the originality Tom? Like I said above....finding these bars a tad bit beat up is common. That bar could have those obverse marks/damage with no waffle reverse and I would think nothing more than it had been tossed around a few times. But only because of the waffling do I make it a point to note such damage. >>



    Ah, I missed that.
    Nevertheless, I still think it looks original, but since I have nothing to compare it with that is just a guess.
    TD
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  • Sebrown,

    Your bar is an original Engelhard 10. It was made at the Toronto, Canada plant.

    It is a very tough pattern to find. The Waffle pattern was tried so that the bar

    would be held in place during stamping. The problem was, the bar would " stick "

    to the waffle die after stamping. Just another neat variation!!
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  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭✭
    Thanks again SB! image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,283 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sebrown,

    Your bar is an original Engelhard 10. It was made at the Toronto, Canada plant.

    It is a very tough pattern to find. The Waffle pattern was tried so that the bar

    would be held in place during stamping. The problem was, the bar would " stick "

    to the waffle die after stamping. Just another neat variation!! >>



    What is a bar like this worth?

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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Well like I said earlier in the thread, SB's post depressed me for a minute image but i'll post these ones anyway.
    I'm not even a Yankees fan, but had to have this one. All marks or scuffs you see are on the holder, the round itself is spotless. The only dowside, it's sterling, not .999. Still had to have it though.
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    Kind of cool, all silver...not a token.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice stuff. And SB, that is awesome!

    We're all aware that stuff we once thought of as collector coins is now being melted or at least canvas bagged.

    But by the same token, coins your dealer once set aside as being premium pieces are now essentially bullion.

    My dealer is being cleaned out of 90% about as fast as he can get it. When I went in on Thursday he had nothing--or at least he didn't think he did. With no "bullion" to look through, I asked to see his much-neglected trays of raw dollars. As I suspected, he had several dozen morgan and peace dollars, sometimes 3 coins deep, in his trays, all priced at what at one time was a premium to their bullion value. Most of these were priced around $30. With silver at $35 and change, the melt value alone on these dollars is now more than $27.

    Think outside the box and ask to see your dealer's raw stuff next time you visit. Remember he set these pieces aside because they were exceptional. Getting exceptional coins at or very near melt is pretty cool.

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