Ford/Chevrolet Coke/Pepsi PCGS/NGC
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Ford dealerships don't sell Chevys. McDonalds serves Coke, not Pepsi (and Burger King serves Pepsi but not Coke).
Why do PCGS coin dealers sell NGC? I went to a local show in Hollywood and sure enough, mixed in the display case of predominantly PCGS slabbed coins were a few NGC. I was told this is common practice.
Licensed PCGS dealers need to buy and sell and market their brand and leave the competition to the other boys.
Do Dealers now need to be regulated for slab segregation?
Why do PCGS coin dealers sell NGC? I went to a local show in Hollywood and sure enough, mixed in the display case of predominantly PCGS slabbed coins were a few NGC. I was told this is common practice.
Licensed PCGS dealers need to buy and sell and market their brand and leave the competition to the other boys.
Do Dealers now need to be regulated for slab segregation?
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<< <i>Licensed PCGS dealers need to buy and sell and market their brand and leave the competition to the other boys.
Do Dealers now need to be regulated for slab segregation? >>
That would be a big fat NO from me.
I've always thought it was stupid that restaurants let Coke and Pepsi play those kind of games. Maybe they choose to, I dunno.
But if I'm in business, I don't want any TPG telling me what I can and can't buy or sell. Even if I am to be their "authorized" dealer. I don't think companies deserve that kind of exclusivity.
Edit add: of course I am not a PCGS or NGC authorized dealer, nor am I ever likely to be, nor for that matter do I ever intend to own a restaurant franchise that has to decide whether to serve Coke or Pepsi.
When you go to the local conivence store, how many brands of sodas are there?
When you go to the used car lot, how many brands of cars are there?
Many dealers are both NGC and PCGS approved.
Mercury
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<< <i>Wow, that is not a fair question.
When you go to the local conivence store, how many brands of sodas are there?
When you go to the used car lot, how many brands of cars are there?
Many dealers are both NGC and PCGS approved.
Mercury >>
Good point, Mercury.
Many coin dealers sell uncirculated coins though. Dealers selling spend/circulated in PCGS and NGC holders may continue to do so but the dealers selling uncirculated coins should stick with their brand.
Levi's don't sell Wranglers.
Wendy's doesn't sell round burgers.
<< <i>Many coin dealers sell uncirculated coins though. Dealers selling spend/circulated in PCGS and NGC holders may continue to do so but the dealers selling uncirculated coins should stick with their brand. >>
Sounds like you're sort of comparing uncirculated/circulated coins to new/used cars. PCGS/NGC don't make or own the coins. They only slab the coins. Their product is "grading coins" not selling "graded coins".
<< <i>Why do PCGS coin dealers sell NGC? >>
What makes you think the PCGS dealers aren't also authorized NGC dealers?
By the way, most Burger Kings are Coca-Cola shops.
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Good point, Mercury.
Many coin dealers sell uncirculated coins though. Dealers selling spend/circulated in PCGS and NGC holders may continue to do so but the dealers selling uncirculated coins should stick with their brand.
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I hope you're joking....right?
Coke makes soda. Apple makes smart phones and carmel apples are sold at state fairs.
Frito-Lay blends spices onto delightful morsels featuring corn chip goodness. The eagle is our national emblem. KFC fries chicken.
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The rules of commerce and life.
So, to bring it all around:
PCGS and/or NGC don't mint coins and dealers are free to buy and sell and trade what they wish and where they choose.
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<< <i>PCGS does not "license" dealers. Most dealers are members of PCGS and NGC but in no way are they a franchise of the grading companies. NGC and PCGS are not "brands." They are professional consultants that provide a paid opinion on a product produced by someone else. What if Publix only sold Pepsi? >>
PCGS and NGC indeed are "brands."
Coke pays McDonalds to carry ONLY Coke products.
Pepsi pays KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut to carry ONLY Pepsi products.
It's all about the money.
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<< <i>PCGS does not "license" dealers. Most dealers are members of PCGS and NGC but in no way are they a franchise of the grading companies. NGC and PCGS are not "brands." They are professional consultants that provide a paid opinion on a product produced by someone else. What if Publix only sold Pepsi? >>
PCGS and NGC indeed are "brands."
Coke pays McDonalds to carry ONLY Coke products.
Pepsi pays KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut to carry ONLY Pepsi products.
It's all about the money. >>
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I don't think the same brand loyalty exists for PCGS or NGC.
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<< <i>Considerations for the coins comes first. The holder comes later. Most authorized PCGS dealers are also NGC dealers and nothing in the dealer contracts mandates inventory exclusivity.
By the way, most Burger Kings are Coca-Cola shops. >>
The coins are the most important factor. The TPG's are a value-added service designed to make coins more liquid and assigned grades more trustworthy, reliable and "standardized". TPG's aren't selling a product, they are selling a service. It would not benefit a PCGS authorized dealer to sell only PCGS coins. Why cut yourself out of half of the market?
<< <i>In his past, Longacre used to work for The Man at Pepsi. There is an actual hatred between Pepsi and Coke, and while I worked there, I would not buy Coke products (even to the point of going to a restaurant and ordering a soda, I would ask whether the soda was Coke or Pepsi, and if it was Coke, I would get water).
I don't think the same brand loyalty exists for PCGS or NGC. >>
Seriously? That's pretty childish. I'm glad the TPG's haven't stooped to that level. Wasn't there just a report that came out indicating that the "caramel coloring" in darker sodas like Coke, Pepsi, ect. may cause cancer? They mentioned it on the news and the next day at Wal-mart, all of the Sam's Choice Diet Twist/Up was gone.
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread. Maybe nobody will notice this post. <shhh>
<< <i>Many coin dealers sell uncirculated coins though. Dealers selling spend/circulated in PCGS and NGC holders may continue to do so but the dealers selling uncirculated coins should stick with their brand. >>
To me the arguement falls way short. After all, as collectors we (for the most part) collect the coin, not the holder. While some TPG's might be held in higher regard than others, I personally have some nice coins slabbed by ICG, PCGS, ANACS, and NGC, and a couple from Bill's Taco's and Coin Grading. A car dealer is more or less bound by their contract with the manufacturer to sell say Ford or Chevy, but that arguement loses its impact when you find mega-dealerships that sell several brands. They are called "coin dealers" because they sell coins, not just the plastic that holds them.
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PCGS may only sell PCGS, but the retail store should sell everything to satisfy the needs of their customers.
Edited to add...
You find used Chevy on Ford lots, and used Fords on Chevy lots.
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<< <i>PCGS does not "license" dealers. Most dealers are members of PCGS and NGC but in no way are they a franchise of the grading companies. NGC and PCGS are not "brands." They are professional consultants that provide a paid opinion on a product produced by someone else. What if Publix only sold Pepsi? >>
PCGS and NGC indeed are "brands."
Coke pays McDonalds to carry ONLY Coke products.
Pepsi pays KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut to carry ONLY Pepsi products.
It's all about the money. >>
Pepsi owned KFC, TB and PH at one time so it was probably a managment edict to carry the home soda.
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Ford doesn't have Chevy parts under the hood.
NGC and PCGS both have the same products inside their respective slabs.
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<< <i>Pepsi doesn't have Coke in their bottles.
Ford doesn't have Chevy parts under the hood.
NGC and PCGS both have the same products inside their respective slabs. >>
But PCGS nor NGC contract the coins to be produced for them.
I am sure both Ford and Chevy use many of the same suppliers.
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<< <i>The OP needs to put down the kool aid. Let dealers sell both and let the market choose. >>
I don't think it is only the koolaide that needs to be put down......
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<< <i>Pepsi doesn't have Coke in their bottles.
Ford doesn't have Chevy parts under the hood.
NGC and PCGS both have the same products inside their respective slabs. >>
But PCGS nor NGC contract the coins to be produced for them.
I am sure both Ford and Chevy use many of the same suppliers. >>
The major difference, unless you are saying that Ford and Chevy are exactly the same inside and out, is that whether it's a Lincoln, Jefferson, Bust Half or any other coin or medal, the product inside each slab is identical.
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<< <i>The OP needs to put down the kool aid. Let dealers sell both and let the market choose. >>
I don't think it is only the koolaide that needs to be put down......
I'd ask you what you mean by that but I'm kinda busy with my Zig Zags...
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<< <i>The OP needs to put down the kool aid. Let dealers sell both and let the market choose. >>
I don't think it is only the koolaide that needs to be put down......
I'd ask you what you mean by that but I'm kinda busy with my Zig Zags...
When you're done twisting up that number
Based on your original "twisted" argument
They don't care what they sell, as long as they sell a lot of them and make money
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Many dealers are both NGC and PCGS approved.
Mercury >>
Bingo! You gave the correct answer.
- Jim
A grading service COULD be just like this...
All they have to do is pay some cash to the big coin dealers in exchange for an exclusive marketing agreement that
those dealers will ONLY carry that company "P's" certified coins.
Company "P" would offer a one-time deal to cross all of the dealer's "N" inventory into the "P" slabs for free, and
a big rebate on future crossovers.
Of course, these type of arrangements are by nature anti-free market, but there are MANY MANY such agreements
in the business world...most of them under the radar of the consumer .... everything from the lab your doctor sends you
to for an X-Ray, to the reason there are such things as "all-Steinway" music departments at colleges,
<< <i>Of course, these type of arrangements are by nature anti-free market... >>
If both parties enter into the agreement voluntarily, there is nothing anti-free market about it.
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<< <i>McDonalds serves Coke, not Pepsi (and Burger King serves Pepsi but not Coke). Why do PCGS coin dealers sell NGC? >>
I'm thinking ICG and ANACS must be RC Colas in this picture.
<< <i>Ford dealerships don't sell Chevys. McDonalds serves Coke, not Pepsi (and Burger King serves Pepsi but not Coke).
Why do PCGS coin dealers sell NGC? I went to a local show in Hollywood and sure enough, mixed in the display case of predominantly PCGS slabbed coins were a few NGC. I was told this is common practice.
Licensed PCGS dealers need to buy and sell and market their brand and leave the competition to the other boys.
Do Dealers now need to be regulated for slab segregation? >>
Absolutely not.
It's called free commerce.