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PSA 9 Gretzky RC...something aint right

shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
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There's no way a card of this magnitude with this centering could get a straight 9, right?

Gretz
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
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  • Nascar360Nascar360 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭
    no way, top to bottom is OC and left to right is OC= OC squared
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I would rather see the card against a black background...that way I can tell if the slab is compromised.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    yikes, why do i feel like i've seen that guy's '68 Koosman/Ryan PSA 9 somewhere before? fishy smells.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    Yama Hama...it's fright night.
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    There's no way that card is the card that was originally encapsulated with that grade...
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>There's no way that card is the card that was originally encapsulated with that grade... >>


    I agree with Scott.
    STAY HEALTHY!

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  • MuggymanMuggyman Posts: 688
    hi everyone!

    i just emailed the seller...
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    Dear allhopeisgone1980,

    hi there,

    is it possible to get a better picture of this card on a BLACK background? for the money that i want to spend on this card, i would like to see a clearer picture of the centering.

    thank you!

    - muggyman
  • MuggymanMuggyman Posts: 688
    My question to seller>>Dear allhopeisgone1980,

    hi there,
    is it possible to get a better picture of this card on a BLACK background? for the money that i want to spend on this card, i would like to see a clearer picture of the centering.
    thank you!
    - muggyman >>

    his response...
    Dear muggyman,

    Its a PSA 9 and I trust PSA on there grades! Do you? The only back ground I have is the top of my scanner! This is the best I can offer on the picture! Its PSA 9 look up the grade ID # at psa.com! I have it in the listing! There are now bids on the item so I can no longer revise the item! Good Luck in the auction! Drew

    - allhopeisgone1980
    ____________________

    I don't love his response and his grossly uneducated misspelling (their vs. there) is always a red flag for me; is that bad for me to judge like that?

    I am not bidding on the card, 'never was. But, good catch shagrotn77.

  • 54topps54topps Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭
    No way that card is a 9. Seller sounds very fishy.
  • CrazyMind2017CrazyMind2017 Posts: 1,205 ✭
    Seller is obviously full of crap. His response was WAAAAY too defensive.

    And sadly, no, I don't trust PSA to get the grade right on every card. And that's assuming this particular card hasn't been tampered with, which based on the picture and that response, is a huge assumption.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Based on the seller's BS response, I think it's time to inundate him with e-mails about his fake azz cards. Let's have some fun!
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • artistlostartistlost Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭
    If you look at his completed auctions he has a BCCG 9 Nolan Ryan and Gretzky that he ended. I looks like he cracked them out and then "put" them into PSA cases.

    mathew
    baseball & hockey junkie

    drugs of choice
    NHL hall of fame rookies
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    aks him about that Ryan rookie, too.....i swear, a fake was posted here with that serial #02103800....i wish i could find the thread, gotta keep lookin'......someone else chime in if you know where the "other" one is image
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    The only thing this auction is missing is a religious reference. Run like the wind.

    Do a Google Search for allhopeisgone1980 and read about his past.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    Says his name is Drew, but has "Gregg" in two of his past ebay IDs:

    allhopeisgone1980 Sep-26-10 Present
    knotheadautographix6sic6 Jul-24-10 Sep-26-10
    celicapartsgregg Sep-22-09 Jul-24-10
    slipknotgregg Aug-08-09 Sep-22-09
  • MuggymanMuggyman Posts: 688
    Contact initiated with PSA, ebay, and his local mail authorities.
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you look at his completed auctions he has a BCCG 9 Nolan Ryan and Gretzky that he ended. I looks like he cracked them out and then "put" them into PSA cases.

    mathew >>



    Here are the Gretzky cards for comparison.

    image

    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

    My Mess

  • artistlostartistlost Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you look at his completed auctions he has a BCCG 9 Nolan Ryan and Gretzky that he ended. I looks like he cracked them out and then "put" them into PSA cases.

    mathew >>



    Here are the Gretzky cards for comparison.

    image >>



    Same cut at the top...mark on the right border. Looks like he cracked it and then trimmed it on the right edge and then stuck it in the PSA case.

    baseball & hockey junkie

    drugs of choice
    NHL hall of fame rookies
  • captainthreeputtcaptainthreeputt Posts: 1,235 ✭✭
    Wow you guys are good! Thanks for patroling Feebay for us. There is no way in hell PSA graded that card a 9. That is why I love this board. Keep up the good work.
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  • MuggymanMuggyman Posts: 688
    A mole among us...

    "Dear muggyman,

    I have read all your buddies coments about "me" on this "collector's corners site as I have just signed up and will leave my response in the am! Oh my !!!!!point someone thinks thats fishy! This is complete BS and please post all this there that all you immediatly accuse me of doing something that is against the law? this is just the worst I have ever seen on ebay in my days! one of your buddy's thinks I am a fake seller cause i use these!!!!!!!! Get a life! I willl be on there in the AM so all you "people" will stop making me look like an a**hole and doing something against the law which from what I read and saw was ripping and or cutting/breaking something! Well all you have NO clue about me but just start making and or blaming BS! Think what you want cause I have never seen such bull crap! This is UNREAL! See you there! allhopeisgone!"

    - allhopeisgone1980
  • minors4meminors4me Posts: 37
    you guys better be careful his uncle is a sheriff image
  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479
    Who cares? It isn't slander if it is true.

    If the statements we (The board) were making turned out to be false, and he was defamed... Then he would have standing... He would be awarded a $1 lawsuit and told that he is correct, and that is about it.

    The base that actually comes to these boards that would actually buy from him, I believe, is rather small... And doesn't do much to his "overall" business.
  • KeepItWarmKeepItWarm Posts: 579 ✭
    "F" him. Let him come on here...this place needs a thread to blow up! Let this knucklehead provide the material...

    By the way, I agree...you guys are very good detectives! I was impressed with the findings on page one of this thread.
    South of Heaven...North of Canada
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here are the Gretzky cards for comparison. >>



    Look at the print dot under the "N" in Wayne on the back. Same on both cards. I don't know what's worse. Being a scam artist or lying through your teeth when you get caught doing it.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 762 ✭✭✭
    I wish PSA would take a more active role in checking ebay for fake PSA cards. As a major grading company I would think that PSA would also be able to establish a more direct route to ebay for handling cards and sellers who sell fake PSA cards. PSA should create a link right on their main page called "Report a fake" so they can check any cards that might be suspicious. As much money as PSA makes on grading, they owe it to the people that buy PSA cards to at least attempt to protect them. Well that's just my opinion anyway.
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  • MuggymanMuggyman Posts: 688
    Wheels are already in motion for authorities getting involved. My contact at PSA has also been notified and they are going to make it a point to get to the bottom of this listing with their local ebay and mail fraud officials in the NorthEast.

    I have been assured that if this item sells and ships, we (and his current employer) will see a full investigation get played out right before our eyes.

    I have a feeling that we can look forward to another article coming up on google soon regarding this seller, it has been escalated more than I thought it would already.

    Felony, schmelony?



  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    Agree with above,it;s getting out of hand
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    Oh no, this Slipknot fan is coming for us!! Fun for zee hills!! lol

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  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    Geez, reading all this reminds of my bad experience with another seller (macattaq aka booboo221) that sold me a PSA 7 Bobby Orr rookie a few years back. Slab was tampered with, sent it PSA to confirm, refused to refund my money claiming that since PSA opened the slab (thereby exposing him) he could no longer sell (offload) it to some other unsuspecting buyer. Took several weeks and jumping through hoops with PayPal before I could get my money back.
  • GarabaldiGarabaldi Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭
    That is a really OC Gretzky RC and that auction is dirty pool!
  • jlzinckjlzinck Posts: 907 ✭✭
    In the seller's defense he IS from Rochester, NH and the town closes at about 2:30 PM so he has plenty to time to practice his "craft". image

    Another tool to add to the list. image
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭
    Not exactly definitive, but it's the best I could do. Switching the Gretzky to grayscale shows a lot of things along the right edge of the slab that concern me.
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  • JohnnyDJohnnyD Posts: 521 ✭✭


    << <i>A mole among us...

    "Dear muggyman,

    I have read all your buddies coments about "me" on this "collector's corners site as I have just signed up and will leave my response in the am! Oh my !!!!!point someone thinks thats fishy! This is complete BS and please post all this there that all you immediatly accuse me of doing something that is against the law? this is just the worst I have ever seen on ebay in my days! one of your buddy's thinks I am a fake seller cause i use these!!!!!!!! Get a life! I willl be on there in the AM so all you "people" will stop making me look like an a**hole and doing something against the law which from what I read and saw was ripping and or cutting/breaking something! Well all you have NO clue about me but just start making and or blaming BS! Think what you want cause I have never seen such bull crap! This is UNREAL! See you there! allhopeisgone!"

    - allhopeisgone1980 >>



    Ok, it is 11:15 am EST, waiting patiently for the seller's morning annoouncement/response/rant. Hope it is as grammatically rich as the message he sent Muggyman.
  • cefy1cefy1 Posts: 434 ✭✭✭
    "Dear muggyman,

    I have read all your buddies coments about "me" on this "collector's corners site as I have just signed up and will leave my response in the am! Oh my !!!!!point someone thinks thats fishy! This is complete BS and please post all this there that all you immediatly accuse me of doing something that is against the law? this is just the worst I have ever seen on ebay in my days! one of your buddy's thinks I am a fake seller cause i use these!!!!!!!! Get a life! I willl be on there in the AM so all you "people" will stop making me look like an a**hole and doing something against the law which from what I read and saw was ripping and or cutting/breaking something! Well all you have NO clue about me but just start making and or blaming BS! Think what you want cause I have never seen such bull crap! This is UNREAL! See you there! allhopeisgone!"

    - allhopeisgone1980 >>


    Can't wait.
    Always buying Gretzky PSA Graded

    Need some 2007 A&G Regular Back Mini's PM if you have any and I will send my needs list.
  • minnesotahuskerminnesotahusker Posts: 642 ✭✭✭
    Where is popcorn girl when you need her??
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Seriously where is the popcorn girl?
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I think it takes a lil longer than 12 hrs or whatever it is for him to become a member.

    Doesn't it take 2 or 3 days?


    Good for you.
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wish PSA would take a more active role in checking ebay for fake PSA cards. As a major grading company I would think that PSA would also be able to establish a more direct route to ebay for handling cards and sellers who sell fake PSA cards. PSA should create a link right on their main page called "Report a fake" so they can check any cards that might be suspicious. As much money as PSA makes on grading, they owe it to the people that buy PSA cards to at least attempt to protect them. Well that's just my opinion anyway. >>



    I agree. Chances are when someone is going to fake a slab, it will be for a high dollar card. A few cases of PSA busting someone will go a long way to prevent these scams.
    Mike
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070 ✭
    I am joining the collector's corner right now so I can talk to you people saying all this crap about me doing something that is illegal "slab" a card? A fellow ebay member sent me to your site so I could see what you are saying about me and this is just completely wrong! I make an exclamtion point!! What did you mom tell you? Sorry I dont have a black screen as I have seen all your little messages of my other BCCG card! I will post my messages in a minute! I always end my messages with a !!!! so get that out of your heads what ever that means! Talk to me like a human being not someone doing something illegal???? This is unreal? Post it as I just signed up! See you there guys? I cant believe this stuff?

    - allhopeisgone1980




  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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  • alifaxwa2alifaxwa2 Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭
    Tell him to scan with the lid up
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  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    I just saw this on eBay and came here to see that this is already being discussed. Good detective work for those who have made contacts and pulled previous auction images up.

  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭
    How many times is he going to sell the Goudey Ruth...The same card sold on 2/22 for 1525?
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Says his name is Drew, but has "Gregg" in two of his past ebay IDs:
    >>



    He says his name is Gregg Drew.

    See post #87 in this thread...
    link
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Says his name is Drew, but has "Gregg" in two of his past ebay IDs:
    >>



    He says his name is Gregg Drew.

    See post #87 in this thread...
    link >>



    Saw this over there as well. Autographs

    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

    My Mess

  • ShootyBabittShootyBabitt Posts: 970 ✭
    Anyone with a buyer's account feel like doing a BIN on one of his listings and immediately put up negative feedback warning people?
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    How can you not trust a face like that?

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  • OckhamsRazorOckhamsRazor Posts: 207 ✭✭


    << <i>aks him about that Ryan rookie, too.....i swear, a fake was posted here with that serial #02103800....i wish i could find the thread, gotta keep lookin'......someone else chime in if you know where the "other" one is image >>



    RYAN PSA 9:

    Link
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Says his name is Drew, but has "Gregg" in two of his past ebay IDs:
    >>



    He says his name is Gregg Drew.

    See post #87 in this thread...
    link >>



    Saw this over there as well. Autographs >>



    WOW, page #6 post #87 is in fact everything all wrapped into one. Bring it on Gregg!! lol
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Where is popcorn girl when you need her?? >>



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