bust half with triple edge lettering
rxer
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Went to visit my daughter and family in Greenville ,NC and made my annual trip
to the local pawn/coin shop- Normally I collect half cents, but alas the half cents
were junk. I couldn't leave with cash burning a hole in my pocket so my attention
turned to the early halves. A nice 1830 caught my eye- crusty and probably would
pass as ex-fine 40 . I was so very slightly out of round so I looked at the edge for
damage - couldn't see damage but it has very clear TRIPLE edge lettering. That sold
me. Did I get something special or just have another old coin to pass down to
the grandkids ? Again the rim doesn't seem damaged- it doesn't look like a dropped
coin - could this flat spot have kept it from being properly lettered ?
to the local pawn/coin shop- Normally I collect half cents, but alas the half cents
were junk. I couldn't leave with cash burning a hole in my pocket so my attention
turned to the early halves. A nice 1830 caught my eye- crusty and probably would
pass as ex-fine 40 . I was so very slightly out of round so I looked at the edge for
damage - couldn't see damage but it has very clear TRIPLE edge lettering. That sold
me. Did I get something special or just have another old coin to pass down to
the grandkids ? Again the rim doesn't seem damaged- it doesn't look like a dropped
coin - could this flat spot have kept it from being properly lettered ?
palmer
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Lance.
shows no damage
-Paul
Do you have a pic of the obverse and reverse?
reason to think it is not real - I will weight it on the pharmacy balance
when I go back to work next week just to be sure
Completely doubled or tripled edge letter errors are scarce. Although there has never been an attempt to count how many examples are out there. One of the most interesting and rarer edge errors is the flipped over double struck. Where there is a complete FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR struck over and upside down to another complete FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR.
Another well-known and rare type is the "inverted letters" edge error. There are currently a dozen or so of these known and they are only found on the 1818 O-108 or "pinchers 8's" variety.
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For those who don't know how the edge lettering was struck...
The blank planchets were first run through a Castaing machine that upset the rims and applied the edge letters from two parallel bar dies, one stationary and one that moved. If a planchet was run though a second time by mistake, the letters would be struck again and you would have a doubled edge error. The other more common errors of overlapping letters and missing letters would happen when the machine was not reset to the proper spot and a planchet was cranked through with out a full rotation.
The "inverted letters" edge error happened when one of the bar dies was changed and installed upside down to the other die. This caused half the letters to face the obverse and the other half to face the reverse side. This mistake was quickly discovered and the die was reinstalled the proper way.
The frequent changing of the bar dies allowed Ivan Leaman & Donald Gunnet to develop a probable emission sequence for the series based on their study of the deteriorations of the dies used.
For the Bust Halves…the third side of the coin rules!
When ever you want to sell it let me know!
QN
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<< <i>Looks more like a doubled edge error to me. It is hard to tell because of the two F's in FIFTY (makes it seem like there are more strikes than there are), but I can only see two N's for CENT. >>
I see 3 "Y"s. I'd call it a triple.
Nice!
see 3 "D's" a letter that shouldn't repeat anyplace but in the word dollar.
last night after driving home I couldn't keep my eyes focused long enough to follow the
entire edge but this morning I can clearly see the tripling is consistent all the way
around
Due to the nature of the castaing machine, partial doubling could be achieved by cranking the planchet backwards and back forwards.
Triple struck edge lettering is of course rarer than double struck, how rare we don't know. There are several examples that have sold at auction listed in Steve Herrman's AMBPR for Bust Half Dollars.
Regardless, it is a really
QN
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in the picture- the N is in the clear but the T is buried with an E.
The first N is just before the 2nd and 3rd C's. As far as I can tell-
it went through 3 complete revolutions right down to the 3 stars
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at the same time - anybody have any idea what added value the
triple edge letters could give it
Cooool for sure,
bob
Nice pics too
ok, the race is on for the first lettered edge overlay image i've ever seen!
it will take some real doing and panachery or finessery if you prefer!
if someone posts a nice edge image with lettering, i will do the second part.
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Sweet find!
certainly rare... Cheers, RickO
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This one is an 1827.
The Russ Logan B&M auction catalog is the best study of these Logan DDOOLLLLAARR
C E N T S is over
R A L L O D
1834 O-116 Double edge Lettering Flip Over......
C E N T S is over
R A L L O D
pos A over pos B. wow
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It might except for some of the old NGC graded coins where the edge can't be seen at all. It can be seen on some of the older PCGS holders. Years ago I found a rare edge lettering variety on a Confederation period piece in a PCGS holder. It looked like PCGS went out of its way to make the edge visible on that one.
it didn't fit my collection- thought it deserved a better home with someone
who appreciated it more.
OLD but neat thread.
show your doubled/tripled bust halve edge lettering!