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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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I suspect I've done so many, many times.
Ed. S.
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Depends how badly I wanted the coin.
<< <i>Sure I by from many different dealers and collectors that I have never met. So I really have no idea what there favorite brand of beer is let alone who they date. >>
Root (beer) and my girlfriend... NOW you know!
If they do things that are so far off the wall (underage things, killing, serious drugs, etc), then no. No coin I want is worth me doing that (my own morals don't allow such).
If it is just that they are a democrat, then yes, yes I would. Even democrats aren't THAT bad
If they are a plain ol' thief, once again, no I wouldn't.
If they are a known coin doctor, I don't think I would.
Each situation would have to be shown for me to make up my mind though as there is no cut and dry answer.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I would say that there are some people that I wouldn't ever knowingly buy another coin from at any price. I guess that might make me a bad collector. People are addicted to many things and I guess I just wouldn't want my money going to enable someones addiction.
<< <i>Depends...whatcha got for sale?
MidLifeCrisis
I would not buy coins from someone like Hitler (the perennial favorite for worst human ever, though Stalin and Map Zedong both have him beat on sheer body count.) I boycott those who are engaged in fraudulent activity, and I would instantly stop interacting with a vendor were I to learn of them engaging in coin doctoring. Holding an opinion is a basic, fundamental right that should not interfere with the market. What one does with that opinion is another matter entirely.
<< <i>Depends...whatcha got for sale?
Quite a compliment to Broadstruck about how superb his values, morals, and ethics are!
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How is one supposed to ascertain the values, morals, and ethics of a new dealer that you meet for the first time at a coin show without asking a lot of personal questions?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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How is one supposed to ascertain the values, morals, and ethics of a new dealer that you meet for the first time at a coin show without asking a lot of personal questions? >>
I struck up a conversation with a dealer in Baltimore one time just being friendly...I had noticed a couple of coins in his case and I wanted to take a closer look. He proceeded to freely admit that he was a coin doctor and even started a little show and tell with me describing some of his examples.
I remained polite, found a natural break in the conversation and walked away. I will not buy from him.
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How is one supposed to ascertain the values, morals, and ethics of a new dealer that you meet for the first time at a coin show without asking a lot of personal questions? >>
I believe the question assumes you do have some knowledge of the sellers morals. Obviously if you dont its a moot point.
Good advice I think.
Shoot, I've done it all the time. Perhaps the majority of the time.
PS- of course there are some values and ethics which are relevant in a business transaction and others that aren't. Though I have done business with a great many people who are very different than I, they probably weren't so different in the relevant values, like basic honesty and such.
PPSS- and then there are one or two people, including at least one on these forums, who I will NOT do business with, even though they're perfectly trustworthy and knowledgeable. It isn't often that a clash of personalities gets in the way for me, but it has once or twice. If I simply cannot stand you, I won't do business with you, no matter how advanced a numismatist or honest a businessman you are. (These are very rare cases, though.)
I'm not going to knowingly enter into a shady deal that might end up costing me.
[edit to add "knowingly"]
Therefore, I wouldn't know what if anything he/she had for sale and would not be buying from them.
Buy the coin. Not the holder
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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Well... I don't know...
I have done business with you....
personal note... I'll accept a letter from you anytime... no matter what type of stamp you use...
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Buy the coin. Not the holder >>
Hey - that's a good line!
(l8-)>>
I would not knowingly buy a coin from someone I thought was dishonest in a major way or whom has treated me rudely. This is different from someone who imo routinely prices his coins too high or wants to make more than what I think is a reasonable margin on the sale of such coins.
If someone falls into the categories I described above, he could offer he a genuine 1804 Silver Dollar at melt and I would pass, because I don't care to associate with people like them in any way, shape or form.
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Ok- that's all the questions for now.
I've passed on several common VF/XF bust halves cause the dealer was an A-hole, but if a dealer had a prime example of a coin i didn't know if i saw it again - then yeah I would. You better believe I wouldn't pay him a dime more than was necessary though!
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B. Nothing pleases me more than freeing a good coin from a nasty owner.
In fact, I won't even look at their wares, in person, in their full page magazine ads, or online.
Likewise, if someone is nice to me- above and beyond general pleasentries- I will be much more likely to shop from them, even if they should have higher prices or are a little harder to get access to, and even if they have nothing I want or nothing in my price range, I am going to at least make an effort to see what they have and hopefully give them some buisness. The only dealer I've ever spent into the triple digits with at one time (yet) falls under this category, he was nice to me, tried to help me out, so I helped him out by handing him 5 $20s. (In case anybody is wondering, it's Larry at Sea Eagle Coins- and I didn't just give him money, I bought stuff from him!)
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<< <i>Yes, I would have purchased the right coin at the right price from Hitler. >>
It all depends on your perspective. As a Jew I would not.
As you're from Oklahoma City, I'm guessing this statement was made out of frustration because you haven't recently been able to add to your collection of Timothy McVeigh memorabilia.
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<< <i>Yes, I would have purchased the right coin at the right price from Hitler. >>
It all depends on your perspective. As a Jew I would not.
As you're from Oklahoma City, I'm guessing this statement was made out of frustration because you haven't recently been able to add to your collection of Timothy McVeigh memorabilia. >>
What if you could cherry pick Hitler and buy a rare variety worth many multiples of what you paid for it?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I have seen dealers who have Nazi memorabilia on display, I simply won't do business with them. >>
Strange thing about this... a local B&M owner, a Jewish man, also handles all types of historical memorabilia... I once noticed some Nazi stuff in his shop and, of course, questioned him as to how/why he would handle such mishagas...
He told me that he has a number of customers who are very active collectors of this stuff... AND THEY ARE ALL JEWISH...
Go figure
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<< <i>I have seen dealers who have Nazi memorabilia on display, I simply won't do business with them. >>
Strange thing about this... a local B&M owner, a Jewish man, also handles all types of historical memorabilia... I once noticed some Nazi stuff in his shop and, of course, questioned him as to how/why he would handle such mishagas...
He told me that he has a number of customers who are very active collectors of this stuff... AND THEY ARE ALL JEWISH...
Go figure
Back in the late 1960's, I belonged to a coin club and there was a young Jewish man that collected Nazi stuff. He brought a large full sized bronze bust of Hitler to one of the meetings for show and tell. I always thought this was rather strange. I also know a black coin dealer that usually has several pieces of Confederate currency for sale.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>values, morals and ethics...... >>
How is one supposed to ascertain the values, morals, and ethics of a new dealer that you meet for the first time at a coin show without asking a lot of personal questions? >>
I struck up a conversation with a dealer in Baltimore one time just being friendly...I had noticed a couple of coins in his case and I wanted to take a closer look. He proceeded to freely admit that he was a coin doctor and even started a little show and tell with me describing some of his examples.
I remained polite, found a natural break in the conversation and walked away. I will not buy from him. >>
I guess the value of his that was your opposite was intelligence (namely, HIS lack of intelligence). What kind of moron would freely admit he was a coin doctor to a new client?
With many successful, professional people I have worked, I have little idea of their specific values, morals, or ethics as it doesn't come into play and they are smart enough to realize that disclosure could jeopardize the relationship if there is not alignment between parties. It's actually quite a complex and potentially emotional subject if the two parties differ in their beliefs and practices (whether or not one person is actually "wrong" and the other is "right" - such as with MLC).
Just getting ready for a series of professional ethics classes for my students over the next few weeks!
Lane
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<< <i>I have seen dealers who have Nazi memorabilia on display, I simply won't do business with them. >>
Strange thing about this... a local B&M owner, a Jewish man, also handles all types of historical memorabilia... I once noticed some Nazi stuff in his shop and, of course, questioned him as to how/why he would handle such mishagas...
He told me that he has a number of customers who are very active collectors of this stuff... AND THEY ARE ALL JEWISH...
Go figure
Back in the late 1960's, I belonged to a coin club and there was a young Jewish man that collected Nazi stuff. He brought a large full sized bronze bust of Hitler to one of the meetings for show and tell. I always thought this was rather strange. I also know a black coin dealer that usually has several pieces of Confederate currency for sale. >>
There are a lot of Jews (scholars in particular) that collect Nazi material just as there are a lot of African-American scholars that collect black racist material. When you talk to them you understand that it's not some backwards "admiration" of the material, but an attempt to understand/educate and to try an ensure that nobody forgets these darker days of our humanity.
Coins are great markers of history and often emblematic of the culture at the time of issue.
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