I think this thread is not the place for questions like that nor attacks of any kind. This is a memorial fund thread for the family of someone deceased. If one wants to make other statements they should start their own thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>I would leave that for his family to decide. Hopefully there isn't too much outstanding debt or money owed to others. >>
try $800,000.00 I have maybe 30 letters to confirm this >>
alot of fools have shown their themselves- on these Cameron threads in the last week.. The economic diaster of the last 2 years has been widespread.. I know of friends who have 2-3 Million dollar in assets but owe much more and are just hanging on their nails..
<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
believe me,its true. its all in HIS computer e-mails to validate. I trusted Cam with my life savings.....even my 6 year olds.-all gone plus myriads of other people who have e-mailed/in boxed me from chat boards all over the internet. sad shocked and hurt and broke now. I will be out from where I live very soon and I too have small children. This is no joke and the facts will no doubt come out because there are many coin dealers and colloectors who have been damaged by whatever was going on in his secret life.....sad >>
Are you a full time coin dealer......?
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>I think this thread is not the place for questions like that nor attacks of any kind. This is a memorial fund thread for the family of someone deceased. If one wants to make other statements they should start their own thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
i agree!!! if any of this is true feel free to start a new thread. most of us know you don`t put all of your eggs in one basket. if you did and things went south you are partly to blame. this is all just my opinion and feel it should be aired elsewhere.
<< <i>Sounds like this guy may have owed money to some people. How do you make sure that this is not going to go to the creditors? Not implying the creditors should not be paid but I can only assume that is not where most of you wish the donation to go to. >>
Any funds donated to the memorial fund or given to the family belong to them. It would seem that any potential cause of action would be against his estate. Memorial fund proceeds and life insurance proceeds (if there are any given his suicide) should be exempt from the creditor process since they are not part of his estate.
<< <i>Here we go again. Take a memorial and turn it into bashing. >>
Correction, it's a memorial fund, and there are evidently innocent unsecured creditors left behind in its wake. If I understand what happened, here, right...
<< <i> Correction, it's a memorial fund, and there are evidently innocent unsecured creditors left behind in its wake. If I understand what happened, here, right... >>
You may or may not understand what happened(past tense), but you definitely do not understand what is happening here. If you want to start that kind of conversation I strongly suggest you start a thread about it and not try to hijack this one! You may not like or agree with the subject of the thread but you need to show a little respect for it!
<< <i> Correction, it's a memorial fund, and there are evidently innocent unsecured creditors left behind in its wake. If I understand what happened, here, right... >>
You may or may not understand what happened(past tense), but you definitely do not understand what is happening here. If you want to start that kind of conversation I strongly suggest you start a thread about it and not try to hijack this one! You may not like or agree with the subject of the thread but you need to show a little respect for it! >>
Oh, quite the contrary, I believe I understand what's happening, here, very well. You're isolating my reply from its narrow context just so you can make a broad, unfounded, provocative accusation. I never suggested any such thing. In the future, if you want to stir things up, why don't you try real hard and find a better spot for it.
I am really sorry that some people feel the need to dredge through what happened on this thread. I just wish some people had a little class and respect for the wife and children which is who this memorial fund is for.
<< <i>I am really sorry that some people feel the need to dredge through what happened on this thread. I just wish some people had a little class and respect for the wife and children which is who this memorial fund is for. >>
I can appreciate you feeling that this is not the place for it. But I respectfully submit that "innocent victims" is a term that applies to all parties. They are not mutually exclusive.
I believe that we should open our hearts and accept, without prejudice, that a new thread be created to address helping others.
I talked to the moderator asking permission to post details known as truth*,not bashing but will do so on a new thread soon........ I hope to have permission to post from those who wrote me! RIP Cameron
Very sad situation. I am mailing my check tomorrow.
Always took candy from strangers Didn't wanna get me no trade Never want to be like papa Working for the boss every night and day --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>I am really sorry that some people feel the need to dredge through what happened on this thread. I just wish some people had a little class and respect for the wife and children which is who this memorial fund is for. >>
I can appreciate you feeling that this is not the place for it. But I respectfully submit that "innocent victims" is a term that applies to all parties. They are not mutually exclusive.
I believe that we should open our hearts and accept, without prejudice, that a new thread be created to address helping others. >>
Yes. And, while we're at it, another thing we might all bear in mind is, there isn't one member in these threads who hasn't extended at least heartfelt condolences to the family, if not, offered more tangible expressions of support. Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect. That's inane. I do realize emotions are running hot, though, and that's why that happens.
<<Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect>> Raising those"reasonable" questions on this thread would show lack of class and respect. Like I said before start or join another threat if that is where you want to go.
<< <i><<Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect>> Raising those"reasonable" questions on this thread would show lack of class and respect. Like I said before start or join another threat if that is where you want to go. >>
CR, who made you moderator or the judge of proper decorum?
Given the circumstances and the fact that forum members like myself are donating our hard-earned money to the family, it is natural to have some questions. In fact, the answers to those questions may indeed influence how much money I am willing to contribute to this fund. The behind the scenes conversations have raised countless legitimate concerns, not the least of which is that of how many other people (including forum members like Typesetter) might also need assistance.
In fact, these points are very germane to the discussion of the memorial fund and do not take away from the fond feelings that some of us had for the departed.
If you do not like it, I suggest that you start your own forum, initiate a thread about it, and delete the posts that you do not approve.
<< <i><<Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect>> Raising those"reasonable" questions on this thread would show lack of class and respect. Like I said before start or join another threat if that is where you want to go. >>
CR, who made you moderator or the judge of proper decorum?
Given the circumstances and the fact that forum members like myself are donating our hard-earned money to the family, it is natural to have some questions. In fact, the answers to those questions may indeed influence how much money I am willing to contribute to this fund. The behind the scenes conversations have raised countless legitimate concerns, not the least of which is that of how many other people (including forum members like Typesetter) might also need assistance.
In fact, these points are very germane to the discussion of the memorial fund and do not take away from the fond feelings that some of us had for the departed.
If you do not like it, I suggest that you start your own forum, initiate a thread about it, and delete the posts that you do not approve. >>
No one made me moderator or anything else. I'm merely expressing my own opinion and letting someone know what I think they should not do. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I believe I have the privilege of having my own opinion.
I've been and am still a member of many different kinds of forums. Never have I seen anyone on any of them disrespect or question any RIP or memorial fund for the family type thread. It is just not a class act thing to do! Again JMHO!
If you and others feel different that's fine with me. That's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it.
So do what you want to do. I'll post no more on this thread because I don't want to cause any further problems.
<< <i>No one made me moderator or anything else. I'm merely expressing my own opinion and letting someone know what I think they should not do. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I believe I have the privilege of having my own opinion.
I've been and am still a member of many different kinds of forums. Never have I seen anyone on any of them disrespect or question any RIP or memorial fund for the family type thread. It is just not a class act thing to do! Again JMHO!
If you and others feel different that's fine with me. That's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it.
So do what you want to do. I'll post no more on this thread because I don't want to cause any further problems. >>
Anyone can have opinions. That doesn't require any special talent. Were this a private website dedicated to the cause, your opinions might be more persuasive. The fact is, though, go back to the first post and see, this is merely contact information on a memorial fund, and it's nestled in among the other business of this forum, where the news of this event was first broken to us.
This is a tragic event. Anyone can see that. Cut us some slack. No one is crashing anything sacrosanct, here.
Before people start throwing checks around, be it to the family or to any fraud victims, perhaps there should be some clarification about what exactly happened.
I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need 2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family 3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth.
<< <i>Before people start throwing checks around, be it to the family or to any fraud victims, perhaps there should be some clarification about what exactly happened. >>
<< <i>Before people start throwing checks around, be it to the family or to any fraud victims, perhaps there should be some clarification about what exactly happened. >>
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Come on. What is the over/under for untangling and litigating this? A long time we wait. I want to help the family now. I have done so.
I agree it would be nice if we had perfect information before deciding where to best allocate aid, but that's probably not going to happen here.
<< <i>I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need 2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family 3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth. >>
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No disrespect intended, but after all of the glowing posts you have made about him ("Ambassador of Numismatics"?) over the last week or so, isn't this a bit late for you to get *logical* on us and NOW start to express concern for his victims (Item#3 ) or wondering about where this donated money is going (Items# 1&2 )?
<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
$800K?
I just saw this!? $800K??!!
Seems to me most of his enablers and supporters have no real concept of right and wrong, as long as they themselves don't get the Kooties or miss 'getting a chair when the music stops'.
<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
$800K?
I just saw this!? $800K??!!
Seems to me most of his enablers and supporters have no real concept of right and wrong, as long as they themselves don't get the Kooties or miss 'getting a chair when the music stops'.
<< <i>I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need 2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family 3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth. >>
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No disrespect intended, but after all of the glowing posts you have made about him ("Ambassador of Numismatics"?) over the last week or so, isn't this a bit late for you to get *logical* on us and NOW start to express concern for his victims (Item#3 ) or wondering about where this donated money is going (Items# 1&2 )? >>
I do not think that there is anything wrong with remembering the person, as we would prefer to remember him, in the setting of an obituary.
I also do not think that it is wrong to assist the family of a fallen young man, a friend of the forum and of numismatics, even though the circumstances are murky. It is not inconsistent to want to make sure that while offering help, the help goes to those who need it.
<< <i>I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need 2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family 3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth. >>
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No disrespect intended, but after all of the glowing posts you have made about him ("Ambassador of Numismatics"?) over the last week or so, isn't this a bit late for you to get *logical* on us and NOW start to express concern for his victims (Item#3 ) or wondering about where this donated money is going (Items# 1&2 )? >>
I do not think that there is anything wrong with remembering the person, as we would prefer to remember him, in the setting of an obituary.
I also do not think that it is wrong to assist the family of a fallen young man, a friend of the forum and of numismatics, even though the circumstances are murky. It is not inconsistent to want to make sure that while offering help, the help goes to those who need it. >>
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Then for God's sake, pull down that ridiculous Numismatic Ambassador thread.
1. Some will learn by simply hearing. 2. Some will have to see it for themselves. 3. And then there are those who will have to piss on the electric fence.
Have a Great Day! Louis
Editted to clarify: I was intending to wake up the young individuals that insist on bashing the people who are trying to help the wife and family. The children are victims for sure, the wife, maybe, I don't know the facts. As for the individuals that are claiming to be victims, I don't know the facts there either. However, I can see nothing positive in bashing individuals for seeing children through a very tough period in their lives.
"If you would know the value of money, go and try to borrow some." Benjamin Franklin
<< <i>Typesetter also known as Marz on this forum, he is person with severe mental issues, do not believe a word he says. >>
This could very well be true, but there COULD be truth to it, in this case...it IS possible...but if it is true, someone put all his eggs in one basket, and thats not very smart, I hate to say. I would have to see proof of HIS (the one upsetting the applecart) losses. He could very well have PM's and emails from others who have lost on this, but for ANYONE to bring it public, should be able to prove the loss, especially when all thats basically happening is Cameron is getting dirted on more and more. We know he 'screwed the pooch'. There HAS to be SOME type of holdings he had that can be sold... Everyone should just stand in line..its obvious people ARE going to get stiffed (I dont have a dog in the fight, as I havent bought from him since before he was a grader at ICG). This is NOT the place to be doing this. Yes, it deserves its own space, but if it's all puffery, as someone suggested (and I'm sure there is valid reason for the accusation...you dont just claim someone is 'out there' and not have a reason), then it has no place anywhere. And, I think, honestly, wanting to go after a memorial fund destined for a very young widow, and two very small children is, well, quite frankly, a crappy (theres another word I'd use, but I get the boot for using it) thing to do. Everyone should just stand in line..its ovbious people ARE going to get stiffed (I dont have a dog in the fight, as I havent bought from him since before he was a grader at ICG), but really.....there's a young family that had nothing to do with it, and they should pay for it? You are basically blaming a 28 year old woman, a 3 year old, and 1 year old child...how can you hold it against the innocents???
Well not to defend Coinking at all but I remember the stunned feeling when a coworker of mind (early 30s, two small kids and a wife) committed suicide as well. There were about 600 theories as to why he did it. (He stole something from work, got caught, fired, then killed himself.)
"I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
I am all for people contributing with the intent of helping out his family if there is indeed a legitimate need there... but, that said, I've still not seen a satisfactory explanation of the facts. For all we know he was well insured, saw this as his way to provide for the family, and they will be well set monetarily. On the other hand, perhaps legalities may freeze any and all funds- including memorial funds. My point being, no one knows yet. If someone still wants to give to the family regardless, fine...but I still hold the opinion that any knee jerk reaction here, i.e., writing checks, etc. is premature and may not benefit the family as intended.
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<< <i>I would leave that for his family to decide. Hopefully there isn't too much outstanding debt or money owed to others. >>
try $800,000.00 I have maybe 30 letters to confirm this >>
alot of fools have shown their themselves- on these Cameron threads in the last week..
The economic diaster of the last 2 years has been widespread.. I know of friends who have 2-3 Million dollar in assets but owe much more and are just hanging on their nails..
Regards,
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<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
believe me,its true. its all in HIS computer e-mails to validate. I trusted Cam with my life savings.....even my 6 year olds.-all gone plus myriads of other people who have e-mailed/in boxed me from chat boards all over the internet. sad shocked and hurt and broke now.
I will be out from where I live very soon and I too have small children. This is no joke and the facts will no doubt come out because there are many coin dealers and colloectors who have been damaged by whatever was going on in his secret life.....sad >>
Are you a full time coin dealer......?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Let CW and the Num News report all the other stuff.
Many thanks to Lane & Jeremy for getting the auction going.
<< <i>I think this thread is not the place for questions like that nor attacks of any kind. This is a memorial fund thread for the family of someone deceased. If one wants to make other statements they should start their own thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
i agree!!! if any of this is true feel free to start a new thread. most of us know you don`t put all of your eggs in one basket. if you did and things went south you are partly to blame. this is all just my opinion and feel it should be aired elsewhere.
<< <i>Sounds like this guy may have owed money to some people. How do you make sure that this is not going to go to the creditors? Not implying the creditors should not be paid but I can only assume that is not where most of you wish the donation to go to. >>
Any funds donated to the memorial fund or given to the family belong to them. It would seem that any potential cause of action would be against his estate. Memorial fund proceeds and life insurance proceeds (if there are any given his suicide) should be exempt from the creditor process since they are not part of his estate.
<< <i>Here we go again. Take a memorial and turn it into bashing. >>
Correction, it's a memorial fund, and there are evidently innocent unsecured creditors left behind in its wake. If I understand what happened, here, right...
<< <i> Correction, it's a memorial fund, and there are evidently innocent unsecured creditors left behind in its wake. If I understand what happened, here, right... >>
You may or may not understand what happened(past tense), but you definitely do not understand what is happening here.
If you want to start that kind of conversation I strongly suggest you start a thread about it and not try to hijack this one!
You may not like or agree with the subject of the thread but you need to show a little respect for it!
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<< <i> Correction, it's a memorial fund, and there are evidently innocent unsecured creditors left behind in its wake. If I understand what happened, here, right... >>
You may or may not understand what happened(past tense), but you definitely do not understand what is happening here. If you want to start that kind of conversation I strongly suggest you start a thread about it and not try to hijack this one! You may not like or agree with the subject of the thread but you need to show a little respect for it! >>
Oh, quite the contrary, I believe I understand what's happening, here, very well. You're isolating my reply from its narrow context just so you can make a broad, unfounded, provocative accusation. I never suggested any such thing. In the future, if you want to stir things up, why don't you try real hard and find a better spot for it.
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<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
nfm
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<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
nfm >>
I think that it is important for the forum to know the depth of the problem, as others may need assistance, as well.
My check will be dropped in the mail tomorrow.
RYK
<< <i>I am really sorry that some people feel the need to dredge through what happened on this thread. I just wish some people had a little class and respect for the wife and children which is who this memorial fund is for. >>
I can appreciate you feeling that this is not the place for it. But I respectfully submit that "innocent victims" is a term that applies to all parties. They are not mutually exclusive.
I believe that we should open our hearts and accept, without prejudice, that a new thread be created to address helping others.
RIP Cameron
Rest in Peace, Cameron.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
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<< <i>I am really sorry that some people feel the need to dredge through what happened on this thread. I just wish some people had a little class and respect for the wife and children which is who this memorial fund is for. >>
I can appreciate you feeling that this is not the place for it. But I respectfully submit that "innocent victims" is a term that applies to all parties. They are not mutually exclusive.
I believe that we should open our hearts and accept, without prejudice, that a new thread be created to address helping others. >>
Yes. And, while we're at it, another thing we might all bear in mind is, there isn't one member in these threads who hasn't extended at least heartfelt condolences to the family, if not, offered more tangible expressions of support. Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect. That's inane. I do realize emotions are running hot, though, and that's why that happens.
Raising those"reasonable" questions on this thread would show lack of class and respect.
Like I said before start or join another threat if that is where you want to go.
<< <i><<Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect>>
Raising those"reasonable" questions on this thread would show lack of class and respect.
Like I said before start or join another threat if that is where you want to go. >>
CR, who made you moderator or the judge of proper decorum?
Given the circumstances and the fact that forum members like myself are donating our hard-earned money to the family, it is natural to have some questions. In fact, the answers to those questions may indeed influence how much money I am willing to contribute to this fund. The behind the scenes conversations have raised countless legitimate concerns, not the least of which is that of how many other people (including forum members like Typesetter) might also need assistance.
In fact, these points are very germane to the discussion of the memorial fund and do not take away from the fond feelings that some of us had for the departed.
If you do not like it, I suggest that you start your own forum, initiate a thread about it, and delete the posts that you do not approve.
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<< <i><<Those among us who naturally have reasonable questions don't need to be ridiculed for lacking class and respect>>
Raising those"reasonable" questions on this thread would show lack of class and respect.
Like I said before start or join another threat if that is where you want to go. >>
CR, who made you moderator or the judge of proper decorum?
Given the circumstances and the fact that forum members like myself are donating our hard-earned money to the family, it is natural to have some questions. In fact, the answers to those questions may indeed influence how much money I am willing to contribute to this fund. The behind the scenes conversations have raised countless legitimate concerns, not the least of which is that of how many other people (including forum members like Typesetter) might also need assistance.
In fact, these points are very germane to the discussion of the memorial fund and do not take away from the fond feelings that some of us had for the departed.
If you do not like it, I suggest that you start your own forum, initiate a thread about it, and delete the posts that you do not approve. >>
No one made me moderator or anything else. I'm merely expressing my own opinion and letting someone know what I think they should not do. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I believe I have the privilege of having my own opinion.
I've been and am still a member of many different kinds of forums. Never have I seen anyone on any of them disrespect or question any RIP or memorial fund for the family type thread. It is just not a class act thing to do! Again JMHO!
If you and others feel different that's fine with me. That's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it.
So do what you want to do. I'll post no more on this thread because I don't want to cause any further problems.
<< <i>No one made me moderator or anything else. I'm merely expressing my own opinion and letting someone know what I think they should not do. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I believe I have the privilege of having my own opinion.
I've been and am still a member of many different kinds of forums. Never have I seen anyone on any of them disrespect or question any RIP or memorial fund for the family type thread. It is just not a class act thing to do! Again JMHO!
If you and others feel different that's fine with me. That's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it.
So do what you want to do. I'll post no more on this thread because I don't want to cause any further problems. >>
Anyone can have opinions. That doesn't require any special talent. Were this a private website dedicated to the cause, your opinions might be more persuasive. The fact is, though, go back to the first post and see, this is merely contact information on a memorial fund, and it's nestled in among the other business of this forum, where the news of this event was first broken to us.
This is a tragic event. Anyone can see that. Cut us some slack. No one is crashing anything sacrosanct, here.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
1. There is truly need
2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family
3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth.
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<< <i>Before people start throwing checks around, be it to the family or to any fraud victims, perhaps there should be some clarification about what exactly happened. >>
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<< <i>Before people start throwing checks around, be it to the family or to any fraud victims, perhaps there should be some clarification about what exactly happened. >>
Come on. What is the over/under for untangling and litigating this? A long time we wait. I want to help the family now. I have done so.
I agree it would be nice if we had perfect information before deciding where to best allocate aid, but that's probably not going to happen here.
<< <i>I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need
2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family
3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth. >>
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No disrespect intended, but after all of the glowing posts you have made about him ("Ambassador of Numismatics"?) over the last week or so, isn't this a bit late for you to get *logical* on us and NOW start to express concern for his victims (Item#3 ) or wondering about where this donated money is going (Items# 1&2 )?
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<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
$800K?
I just saw this!? $800K??!!
Seems to me most of his enablers and supporters have no real concept of right and wrong, as long as they themselves don't get the Kooties or miss 'getting a chair when the music stops'.
Some of you guys are real idiots.
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<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
Is there anything the forum can collectively do to help? >>
$800K?
I just saw this!? $800K??!!
Seems to me most of his enablers and supporters have no real concept of right and wrong, as long as they themselves don't get the Kooties or miss 'getting a chair when the music stops'.
Some of you guys are real idiots. >>
Coinboy cracks me up. Call it the way you see it!
lomismo@sbcglobal.net with full disclosure of who you are please
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<< <i>I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need
2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family
3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth. >>
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No disrespect intended, but after all of the glowing posts you have made about him ("Ambassador of Numismatics"?) over the last week or so, isn't this a bit late for you to get *logical* on us and NOW start to express concern for his victims (Item#3 ) or wondering about where this donated money is going (Items# 1&2 )? >>
I do not think that there is anything wrong with remembering the person, as we would prefer to remember him, in the setting of an obituary.
I also do not think that it is wrong to assist the family of a fallen young man, a friend of the forum and of numismatics, even though the circumstances are murky. It is not inconsistent to want to make sure that while offering help, the help goes to those who need it.
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<< <i>I have no problem making a contribution to the surviving Kiefers, and have done so already, but I would like some assurance that:
1. There is truly need
2. If there is need, the funds are going to be used for the benefit of the family
3. That no other innocent parties are in harm's way as a result of what has happened
All we have now is speculation. Not knowing the facts is often the worst possible position because the mind can come up with scenarios that are far more horrible than the truth. >>
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No disrespect intended, but after all of the glowing posts you have made about him ("Ambassador of Numismatics"?) over the last week or so, isn't this a bit late for you to get *logical* on us and NOW start to express concern for his victims (Item#3 ) or wondering about where this donated money is going (Items# 1&2 )? >>
I do not think that there is anything wrong with remembering the person, as we would prefer to remember him, in the setting of an obituary.
I also do not think that it is wrong to assist the family of a fallen young man, a friend of the forum and of numismatics, even though the circumstances are murky. It is not inconsistent to want to make sure that while offering help, the help goes to those who need it. >>
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Then for God's sake, pull down that ridiculous Numismatic Ambassador thread.
1. Some will learn by simply hearing.
2. Some will have to see it for themselves.
3. And then there are those who will have to piss on the electric fence.
Have a Great Day!
Louis
Editted to clarify:
I was intending to wake up the young individuals that insist on bashing the people who are trying to help the wife and family. The children are victims for sure, the wife, maybe, I don't know the facts. As for the individuals that are claiming to be victims, I don't know the facts there either. However, I can see nothing positive in bashing individuals for seeing children through a very tough period in their lives.
<< <i>Me too. I am going to be homeless because of this. >>
I'm so sorry to hear this. Have you contacted a lawyer? If you are facing a foreclosure, Chapter 13 bankruptcy may help.
<< <i>Typesetter also known as Marz on this forum, he is person with severe mental issues, do not believe a word he says. >>
This could very well be true, but there COULD be truth to it, in this case...it IS possible...but if it is true, someone put all his eggs in one basket, and thats not very smart, I hate to say. I would have to see proof of HIS (the one upsetting the applecart) losses. He could very well have PM's and emails from others who have lost on this, but for ANYONE to bring it public, should be able to prove the loss, especially when all thats basically happening is Cameron is getting dirted on more and more. We know he 'screwed the pooch'. There HAS to be SOME type of holdings he had that can be sold... Everyone should just stand in line..its obvious people ARE going to get stiffed (I dont have a dog in the fight, as I havent bought from him since before he was a grader at ICG). This is NOT the place to be doing this. Yes, it deserves its own space, but if it's all puffery, as someone suggested (and I'm sure there is valid reason for the accusation...you dont just claim someone is 'out there' and not have a reason), then it has no place anywhere. And, I think, honestly, wanting to go after a memorial fund destined for a very young widow, and two very small children is, well, quite frankly, a crappy (theres another word I'd use, but I get the boot for using it) thing to do. Everyone should just stand in line..its ovbious people ARE going to get stiffed (I dont have a dog in the fight, as I havent bought from him since before he was a grader at ICG), but really.....there's a young family that had nothing to do with it, and they should pay for it? You are basically blaming a 28 year old woman, a 3 year old, and 1 year old child...how can you hold it against the innocents???
Not relevant now that the post above me was deleted by the mods.
<< <i>PCGS should donate all its profits to this fund as they though their negligence brought about Cameron Kiefer's untimely death >>
What a terrible thing to say! That's like a bank robber blaming a bank for having money inside of it.
How can you even begin to point the finger at a company for someones death?
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<< <i>CoinKing - That's about the worst comment I've ever seen on these boards.
How can you even begin to point the finger at a company for someones death? >>
I fully agree with these sentiments.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Literally, I had to sit down upon reading this.
Pardon my post but I really am in shock.
RIP Cameron.