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Does this coin look severely polished to you??--UPDATED, PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT

RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I sold this coin on eBay a little while back and just got a message from the buyer that said, "my dealer says this coin is severely polished and worth just the price of silver". The final bid was $46.00. I told the buyer to send it back for a full refund (as long as it is in the untampered with holder), but I have not heard back yet. I realize the coin is in a PCI holder (not worth the money to slab in a better holder), but still, the coin is as fresh as can be and the grade looks pretty correct to me. It is just a little bit annoying I guess.

UPDATE: I had not heard back from the buyer, so I sent the following message. The buyer's reply is below my message:

Dear XXXX,

I have not heard back from you on this. I assume you want to return the coin. Don't forget to get delivery confirmation (first class and insured) when you ship it so we can both track the package on its way back to me. Let me know what day you send it so I can begin your proces.

- mystical_science



Buyer's response:

Dear mystical_science,

ill keep it but i dont want antmore polihed coins from you

- XXXX






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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I need to learn how to make better scans.


  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even though the scan is bad the coin does not appear to be polished.

    I suspect it was just a local dealer not missing a chance to bad-mouth eBay purchases.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not polished... said dealer is chock-a-block with male bovine feces. Cheers, RickO
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe that PCI coins from this era had a decent chance of getting the right grade. PCI was far from consistent, but there have been more than a few instances where a PCI coin crossed to PCGS at the same grade or even a higher one when one of the "better owners" ran the company. Of course the crossover involved a crack-out.

    As for the 1879-S dollar, the scan does not tell me much because it is overexposed, but that date tends to come with strong, white luster so there is a great chance that the brightness you see is the real thing.
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  • jmcu12jmcu12 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭
    No , not polished. They are full of it.
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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lots of minor scuffs and abrasions - looks original to me.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does this coin look severely polished to you??


    NO.
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  • BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
    No.

    PCI Gold = Upgrade @ PCGS.
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    The scuffs on the cheek & fields lead me to believe it is original surface patina, not polished surfaces. Really can tell much about the rev. Next time you make a scan try laying a pencil under the end of the slab. The angle will cut down on the glare.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • 66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    The coin does not look polished. The local dealer doesn't always know everything. At times, it seems as if they know very little.




    << <i>No.

    PCI Gold = Upgrade @ PCGS. >>



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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe that PCI coins from this era had a decent chance of getting the right grade. >>


    I disagree with the above statement, but the coin does not look polished to me.
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    no
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, looks natural to me. I see no hairlines.

    bob
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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No, looks natural to me. I see no hairlines.

    bob >>




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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good of you to accept the return, Richard. See if you can get back your fees too.

    I see nothing wrong with the coin. You can probably resell it easily.
    Lance.
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  • TevaTeva Posts: 830 ✭
    I don't see it? To many light imperfections that would of polished over. Maybe you buyer got a second opinion?
    Give the laziest man the toughest job and he will find the easiest way to get it done.
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    Tell the buyer that his dealer friend is completely wrong.
  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "my dealer says this coin is severely polished and worth just the price of silver"

    Sounds like he was phishing for a lower price.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,931 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My interpretation of the scans is that the coin is not polished. Perhaps the buyer has buyer's remorse or perhaps he/she showed the dealer multiple coins and has them confused at the moment. Of course, it could be that the dealer was looking to buy the coin at a reduced level, too.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    even ignoring the obverse and reverse scratches, the fields are not reflective.

    even to a newb.... no.

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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Of course, it could be that the dealer was looking to buy the coin at a reduced level, too.

    Would a dealer do that? image
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like the old "bash the coin then make a lowball offer" dealer BS to me...
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks ok to me by the looks of the pics. jmho
  • kurtdogkurtdog Posts: 1,456


    << <i>The scuffs on the cheek & fields lead me to believe it is original surface patina, not polished surfaces. >>

    Yeah, the luster grazes are still there. That coin isn't even mildly dipped, let alone polished.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    You might want to nicely direct the buyer to this thread. And let him know that if we thought the coin was polished, we would be happy to slam you for it. image
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You might want to nicely direct the buyer to this thread. And let him know that if we thought the coin was polished, we would be happy to slam you for it. image >>


    Thank you all for the comments. When I replied to the buyer's email (who is a new eBayer with 10 feedbacks), I was going to mention that I thought his dealer did not know what he was talking about, but I decided not to say anything about that and just tell him to please send the coin back first class, insured for a refund. I have nop problems keeping the coin a little longer. I was only clearing out excess stuff that I did not really have a need for any more.

    Anyway, I will debate over the next few hours if I will direct the buyer to this thread. I still have not heard back from the buyer, but I will not reduce the price of the coin for him. The coin is very solid. At one point, I has the coin listed on the BST for under bid, but no one wanted it. On eBay, it sold for $46.00, which is a few dollars over ask.

    Anyway, thank you all again...


  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The scuffs on the cheek & fields lead me to believe it is original surface patina, not polished surfaces. Really can tell much about the rev. Next time you make a scan try laying a pencil under the end of the slab. The angle will cut down on the glare. >>


    That sounds like a great idea. I will try it this weekend when I find something around here I want to scan. I appreciate the suggestion. image


  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Lots of minor scuffs and abrasions - looks original to me. >>



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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Rampage - Since you're getting the coin back, if you plan to resell it in the future, I suggest cracking it out of that plastic 2x2. A raw, common date Morgan is just that - raw and common, and not in question for not being slabbed. A Morgan sitting in a gold-era PCI holder is suspect and raises questions from the start.
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rampage - Since you're getting the coin back, if you plan to resell it in the future, I suggest cracking it out of that plastic 2x2. A raw, common date Morgan is just that - raw and common, and not in question for not being slabbed. A Morgan sitting in a gold-era PCI holder is suspect and raises questions from the start. >>


    You are correct about that Barry. I should have just done that from the start. That coin was with a bunch of other stuff I bought a few years ago and just never got around to doing anything with.

    Richard.
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I love the fact that the buyer felt compelled to take a $45 Ebay purchase to his dealer for his opinion. Who knows what the dynamic is between the customer and the B&M.
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  • TexasNationalsTexasNationals Posts: 3,837 ✭
    There are more dogs in gold holders than not, sure you are not thinking about the 12 digit green? Is it 12 or 13 digit green holders that are more coveted?
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Rampage - Since you're getting the coin back, if you plan to resell it in the future, I suggest cracking it out of that plastic 2x2. A raw, common date Morgan is just that - raw and common, and not in question for not being slabbed. A Morgan sitting in a gold-era PCI holder is suspect and raises questions from the start. >>



    Considering the Chinese have faked even common date Morgan dollars, any of the major slabs, (the ones listed in Bluesheet - PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG, SEGS and PCI) are better than a raw coin.
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    FWIW, I see nothing in the photos posted to suggest this coin was polished.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭
    No the coin is not polished.
    Tell the buyer to look at all the comments about this coin here on the message board and maybe he will change his mind.
    Just a suggestion!!!
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<< Thank you all for the comments. When I replied to the buyer's email (who is a new eBayer with 10 feedbacks), I was going to mention that I thought his dealer did not know what he was talking about, but I decided not to say anything about that and just tell him to please send the coin back first class, insured for a refund. I have nop problems keeping the coin a little longer. I was only clearing out excess stuff that I did not really have a need for any more.

    Anyway, I will debate over the next few hours if I will direct the buyer to this thread. I still have not heard back from the buyer, but I will not reduce the price of the coin for him. The coin is very solid. At one point, I has the coin listed on the BST for under bid, but no one wanted it. On eBay, it sold for $46.00, which is a few dollars over ask.

    Anyway, thank you all again... >>>

    The less words you waste, the better off you are. When you dialogue back and forth it only sets the scene for arguments and misunderstandings. Chances are slim to none you can educate him or change his mind. Stick to the issue, if he don't like the coin he needs to take a refund or consider it a done deal. image
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484
    Hes full of it. I had a 09VDB I got in a PCI MS66RB holder and it crossed into a MS66RB at PCGS.
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Updated in the first post. I guess some folks were right...Maybe he was fishing for a lower price.


  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Updated in the first post. I guess some folks were right...Maybe he was fishing for a lower price. >>



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  • MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    He just doesn't want any more of them hoi polihed coins image
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Clearly an uneducated response. A 3 digit IQ may be pushing it. Next comes the bad feedback. Best be quite and move on.
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buyer's response:
    i dont want antmore polihed coins from you




    Did you tell him that could be arranged?
    Many happy BST transactions
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    I would send him a link to this thread. I Would guess he wanted a better price though he bought the coin at about what it should go for. The situation was handled well by the OP in my opinion.image
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Clearly an uneducated response. A 3 digit IQ may be pushing it. Next comes the bad feedback. Best be quite and move on. >>


    Well, I checked out the feedback the buyer has left and so far, he has never left anything for anyone. So, I am hopeful I will not be his/her first. If he/she does leave negative, I will report it to eBay (and will expect them to do nothing). At least I offered a return.





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