Grade The Buffalos (Grades Revealed) There will Be A Very Unique Outcome

segoja

Please post your opinions. There will be some strange guesses and teh results will be even stranger. The coins are slabbed.

Will be revealed tomorrow evening





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TPRC

OK--I'll take a stab at the bizarre
First coin-NG--flattened--don't like what is going on on the right side.
Second coin-NG - cleaned.

Just a couple of guesses!

Tdec1000

First off nice coins that are very common for being tough to grade. I will say ms65 on the 24s and ms 64 on the 27s. Isn't the 27s one of the weakest strikes in the series?

Ahrensdad

I was thinking 64, 63.

darktone

AU58 on the first and ms62 on the second.

drei3ree

GENNIE 92/93

stealer

58 and 50

Fairlaneman

AU58

AU53

Flatwoods

I'll go with 63 and 58.
It's really hard to see those luster breaks ( if any ) in those pics.

I have seen quite a few bag for toning like that on the second coin.

Top50SetBuilder

Genuine
55

sinin1

62/45


I think I will add the first one maybe genuine, added mintmark

Walkerguy21D

AU55, AU53

coinkat

1924-s- MS64

1927-S MS64

BigMoose

62 and 62.

GrumpyEd

62/58

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>There will Be A Very Unique Outcome >>



Hmmmm.

Not Genuine / Questionable Authenticity?

Holed / Plugged?

Must be something off the wall like that, right?

richardshipp

I'll go:

AU58+

Bagged (rim hits mostly cropped out)

Just WAG's

MikeInFL

James, The title of the thread has me scared.

I looked at both coins and saw circulation wear. That doesn't predicate an MS grade, but it makes me wonder if it may have in these case of one or both of these coins.

AU 58 and MS 62 are my guesses.

crazyhounddog

These are both very expensive and rare coins in MS grades, so caution should be taken if ever considering buying raw. With that being said I believe both coins have been altered and are not authentic. There is no dead give away that I can see, but the color on the reverse of the 27-s looks funny to me, and the 24-s looks as it's been worked on the Buffalo's rear.

segoja

Remember these coins are slabbed in PCGS holders (genuine)

OnWithTheHunt

53 and 55, Can't wait to see how far off I am.

BigE

62 and 63--------BigE

OchoReales

63

58

Those are my guesses and I'm sticking with them!

SamByrd

24S ms64 , 27s AU58

breakdown

These are two issues that according to Lange are relatively well-struck. I would guess MS 63 on both although the title of the thread makes me think I will be way off.

Tdec1000

<< <i>James, The title of the thread has me scared.

I looked at both coins and saw circulation wear. That doesn't predicate an MS grade, but it makes me wonder if it may have in these case of one or both of these coins.

AU 58 and MS 62 are my guesses. >>





Is it circulation wear or strike...I believe these are both softly struck issues.

Tdec1000

<< <i>Remember these coins are slabbed in PCGS holders (genuine) >>



Are they in Gennie holders? Or are you saying genuine us mint coins with grades??? If it is the first then you didn't say that in the beginning.

crazyhounddog

<< <i>Remember these coins are slabbed in PCGS holders (genuine) >>



That changes everything! The 1924-s MS-64.
The 1927-s MS-63 weaker strike with a lot of bag marks .

AUandAG

63 on the first and 62 on the second.

bob

DRG

1924 S AU58......
1927 S AU55.....AU50

The 1924 S could easily be a MS63 but with PCGS being ultra conservative on an EXPENSIVE coin in MS, AU58 seems probable. There is the FAINTEST signs of wear.

The 1927 S has wear. The flatness on the indians hair and on the buffalo's head, shoulder and hip are all undeniable. The flatness is not secondary to a weak strike.

The strikes on both of these coins are fairly strong with the exception of LIBERTY on the 24S.

Both are very nice coins!

Overdate

61/63

pursuitofliberty

just a wag

both are gennies

24-S is PVC (or enviromental) damage

27-S for questionable toning or cleaning

Numismanic

1924-S AU58...appears to have slight rub on bison's hip

1927-S MS61...many contact marks

ricko

AU 58 and AU 55 ....... Cheers, RickO

segoja

To be clear the coins have grades in thier holders.

sonofagunk

58.5 and 59.5++**CAC

messydesk

64 - weak strike preserved ticks already on planchet on high points of buffalo, otherwise clean.
55 or 61 - banged up in the not-so-high points, and I'm dithering as to whether there are luster breaks to go with the marks. I'll stick with 61.

darktone

The only really unique thing that comes to mind is a wrong plachette.

ModCrewman

AU50 and AU55

Shamika

The 1924-S has clearly seen some action as evident by the fingerprint and misc stains. It should grade AU58, but I'm guessing PCGS graded it MS63.

The 1927-S shows far more "bag marks" than one can reasonable expect from the mint for a nickel coin and further has an obverse rim bump at 3:30 which indicates this coin has also seen some time in service. Coupled with the obvious wear on the Buffalo's hip this coin should never grade better than AU55, but I unfortunately wouldn't be surprised to see MS63.

Shamika

<< <i>Isn't the 27s one of the weakest strikes in the series? >>


Actually, the 27-D is the one that is rarely found with a decent strike. The 27-S is generally well struck.

roadrunner

MS63 and AU58. The second coin certainly appears to have high point wear even with the weak strike. The 24-s doesn't seem to. Field luster on the 24-s seems a lot stronger.

Odd that the 24-s has the better interior details but weaker peripheral lettering. The 27-s is just the opposite. 27-s has a minor obv. rim cut/bump. The buff's shoulder on the 27-s is more sharply struck than the 24-s yet appears to show more grayish flatness (ie rub).

roadrunner

garrynot

I dont profess to know how to grade Buffalos, but the 24-S seems to have some significant wear over Liberty, so much so the rim is worn down. Is that a light strike, instead?

coinguy1

My grade guesses are admittedly being influenced, somewhat, by the thread title. That said, I'll go with AU58 and MS62.

Shamika

<< <i>I dont profess to know how to grade Buffalos, but the 24-S seems to have some significant wear over Liberty, so much so the rim is worn down. Is that a light strike, instead? >>


Yes, it is light strike and quite common to see the top of LIBERTY missing detail.

garrynot

<< <i>

<< <i>I dont profess to know how to grade Buffalos, but the 24-S seems to have some significant wear over Liberty, so much so the rim is worn down. Is that a light strike, instead? >>


Yes, it is light strike and quite common to see the top of LIBERTY missing detail. >>




Thanks! I learned something today.

jesbroken

Due to your title, I would guess MS62 for the 24S and AU58 for the 27S.
Jim

Batman23

MS62 and AU55

RWB

OK---Here’s a rough stab at it..

Both coins are actually dimes. They were hired by a movie production company to play the role of two Buffalo nickels in an adventure film called “The Cobalt Blue Avatar.” But when the script writers got finished there was no part for the nickels/dimes. As jobless coins, then fell into despair (just outside Cleveland) and ended up being wrapped into a Tootsie Roll. The OP found them when he cracked a crown on biting into a Tootsie Roll found in his coat pocket last Tuesday, but purchased at the 1964 New York World’s Fair.

Is that close?

tmot99

50 / 45

Dabigkahuna

58/64