the board member should be shot for this. No excuse is good enough outside of death, period. Even if he did die the cards should have already been returned by his next of kin, imo.
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>You was was on his group sub, good for you. As for me, I'm not going to derail someone else's thread. Samspop, I was just taking a wild guess, I apologize for everyone else's over reaction. My intentions were not to derail your thread. >>
Yes, I was was on the group sub. Thank you for not derailing this thread.
<< <i>How much in lost cards are we talking about here? >>
does it matter?
IMF >>
For what sort of charges the person should face if they don't come through yes. If it is felony theft I hope the person gets arrested for it and in as much trouble as possible.
This type of theft pisses me off more than anything. If the person in question is in SW Ohio I would gladdy drive a little to ask them what is up.
<< <i>How much in lost cards are we talking about here? >>
does it matter?
IMF >>
For what sort of charges the person should face if they don't come through yes. If it is felony theft I hope the person gets arrested for it and in as much trouble as possible.
This type of theft pisses me off more than anything. If the person in question is in SW Ohio I would gladdy drive a little to ask them what is up.
-Brendan >>
Easy there, fella In the last few posts I've read of yours, you either want to put someone in jail or beat the crap out of em It's baseball cards that are missing here, not someone's child
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Well, if it wasn't Gumby, and you accused him, regardless of your past issues with him, an apology is in order. If you want to lay out the facts of your bad deal, that's your prerogative, but to wrongly accuse someone of potential fraud DEMANDS an apology! If you feel that you are in the right for making such unfounded accusations and feel that you have no obligation to make an apology, then you are a tool! And this isn't about "getting a rise" out of you, this is about manning up for something that you did that is completely wrong.
+1
Then to say he apologizes for the others making a big deal out of things... WHAT A TOOL!
Wow...I'll be the first to admit that my last group sub wasn't run as smoothly as I would have liked, but this is the first I'm hearing of a complaint by CrimsonTider. My best guess is that he assumes (incorrectly) that I am the one who banned him across the street. The site administrator banned him for comments that were apparently inappropriate and unacceptable. I didn't see the comments, nor did I take any administrative action against him. I knew the decision that I made about Bill across the street, while supported by the administrator of the site, would be unpopular...and I was okay with that. Joey didn't handle it well and was apparently removed for that reason.
But to respond to that situation by unabashedly accusing me of fraud is a joke. Sure, it took me a bit longer to get everyone their cards back than it should have, but everyone got their cards back and no fraud was perpetrated.
I'm not foolish enough to ask for and/or expect a response from CrimsonTider, though. His obvious lack of maturity in dealing with real life, adult situations tells me that any such request or expectation would be a waste of my time.
Now, as for clayshooter22, I'm hoping this is all a big misunderstanding and that everyone gets their cards back soon.
<< <i>Wow...I'll be the first to admit that my last group sub wasn't run as smoothly as I would have liked But to respond to that situation by unabashedly accusing me of fraud is a joke. Sure, it took me a bit longer to get everyone their cards back than it should have, but everyone got their cards back and no fraud was perpetrated.
Now, as for clayshooter22, I'm hoping this is all a big misunderstanding and that everyone gets their cards back soon. >>
gumby, if you ever do another one, and I have some cards at the time, I'm in.
<< <i>Being called a tool by the likes of you is an honor. Thank you! >>
Actually I didn't call you a tool . . . UNLESS, "If you feel that you are in the right for making such unfounded accusations and feel that you have no obligation to make an apology, then you are a tool!"
Hopefully, next time I run out for some fried pork rinds and peanut butter, I hope you'll still say, "Hi, Welcome to WalMart!" when I walk through the front door...
It sucks that this small group sub or whatever has gone sideways. I know a couple things- when I participated in the group subs put together by Craig and Bill, everything went fine. I also know that teenage internet tough guys say stuff like "fail" and think it's cool.
the board member should be shot for this. No excuse is good enough outside of death, period. Even if he did die the cards should have already been returned by his next of kin, imo.
You have to ship the cards to the submiter, they ship them to PSA, they pay to ship them back to them and then they are shipped to the actual card holder.
That is four shipping charges. How does that cut down on the total cost???
Seriously how much can you possibly save doing this??
<< <i>At what price level does doing a joint sub work?
You have to ship the cards to the submiter, they ship them to PSA, they pay to ship them back to them and then they are shipped to the actual card holder.
That is four shipping charges. How does that cut down on the total cost???
Seriously how much can you possibly save doing this?? >>
I do them for autographed cards so I can only speak toward that. The usual price is $20 per card plus shipping to PSA and back to the submitter. On my group subs in the past, people have paid about $11.50 per card including shipping, so the group sub is a helluva deal when I do it for autographed cards.. They save a ton depending on how many they send. Also, one big thing to consider, is that in order to participate in a group sub, you don't have to be a collectors club member, just the submitter does. Therefore, that takes away the need for that person to pay $100++++ for a collectors club membership, that they would otherwise have to pay to submit.
Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together??
My subs are mailed in huge amounts of bubble wrap around the card savers and then more bubble wrap for them to rest on in the box.
All in it is not cheap for prep and shipping.
For the auto numbers you described it makes sense but I would need money for the effort and risk of the submitter. The bottom line is you are now on the hook for their cards.
<< <i>the board member should be shot for this. No excuse is good enough outside of death, period. Even if he did die the cards should have already been returned by his next of kin, imo.
<< <i> Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together?? >>
Translation: "Is there any way I can make money offering to do this?"
But seriously, sometimes people just do it cuz they enjoy it and are not looking to make money off every little thing they do for others. It's a nice gesture and I presume that sometimes they feel good about helping out others.
<< <i> Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together?? >>
Translation: "Is there any way I can make money offering to do this?"
But seriously, sometimes people just do it cuz they enjoy it and are not looking to make money off every little thing they do for others. It's a nice gesture and I presume that sometimes they feel good about helping out others. >>
Agreed. I can honestly say that for the most part, group subs aren't done in the hopes of making money for the submitter.
In the case of me submitting the cards with clayshooter22 (I can use his name now that it has been posted), I had 5 Jumbo cards that I have had for some time. There are no group sub specials that allow for bulk rates for less than 25 cards and in most cases, the minimum is 50. I have a membership to PSA, but in lieu of paying an exhorbatant amount to send in the 5 cards, clayshooter22 put together a group sub of jumbo cards that allowed us to get the group rate. So, it is not always an instance of only the submitter having a membership, but sometimes, and particularly in this case, it allowed us to meet a minimum number of cards for the lower rate.
<< <i>The club membership makes a huge difference.
Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together??
My subs are mailed in huge amounts of bubble wrap around the card savers and then more bubble wrap for them to rest on in the box.
All in it is not cheap for prep and shipping.
For the auto numbers you described it makes sense but I would need money for the effort and risk of the submitter. The bottom line is you are now on the hook for their cards. >>
Those are some good points. My short answers are:
"Surcharge for putting it together", no, not in the past and probably not in the future.
"All in it is is not cheap for prep and shipping." You are 100% correct on that. I took a small hit on the 1st one because I didn't charge enough for shipping. On the 2nd one, I corrected the pricing and overall, I think I finished up a grand total of around $17.00 to the good. On the next one I do, I am considering lowering the minimum, and charging an additional $1.00 per card. That will allow small submitters to participate, and the extra money I get from the larger orders for shipping, will offset the expense of the smaller orders shipping, and I think $12.50 will still be a fair price for all inclusive with no other charges, but I haven't decided yet whether to do that or not.
The longer answers are as follows as I don't do it to make money off the people here but I do it primarily for the following reasons:
1) In order to get the special pricing from PSA, they said I needed a minimum of 300 cards to get the $10 rate, I don't sub that many personally. Therefore, I need others' volume or I'd be paying $20 per card for my own. Therefore, by doing a bulk sub, I save $10 off each submission for myself or $1500 total if I do a 150 card order myself. In other words, instead of paying 150 x $20 equals $3,000, I'm paying 150 x $10 equals $1500.
2) I'll get to see some amazing cards and I'll know who has them in case I want to make them an offer on them. This has the potential to help me find some cards that otherwise i wouldn't.
3) It builds goodwill and trust, which leads to many more succesful transactions in the future.
4) I make more friends, and no one can have enough of those.
5) I'm not going to turn down anyone that sends "extra" money for my time and trouble. I'm sure there will be some that are compelled to do this, they most certainly don't have to, but there are a lot of nice people here. I have received a couple of cards for my collection through these subs, and the use of vouchers as well.
6) It will give me future negotiating power with PSA when I need a favor from them. Like slabbing my children's personal cards, which they've done for me before they started the custom card service, allowing me to use my membership vouchers for autographed submissions, when they explicitly say you can't, etc., and extending special pricing to me on other items from time to time which I have used. As a matter of fact I've got some personal stuff at Newport Beach right now that they are doing for me for 50% off.
7) The intrinsic value of helping others and being able to set an example that my kids can live by
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Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>You was was on his group sub, good for you. As for me, I'm not going to derail someone else's thread. Samspop, I was just taking a wild guess, I apologize for everyone else's over reaction. My intentions were not to derail your thread. >>
Yes, I was was on the group sub. Thank you for not derailing this thread.
<< <i>Enough already ... who the hell is this person??? >>
Like I already said, "Not gumby but he is made out of clay. He's a regular shooter, too. But unlike Mike Bossy, Islanders # 22."
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<< <i>How much in lost cards are we talking about here? >>
does it matter?
IMF >>
For what sort of charges the person should face if they don't come through yes. If it is felony theft I hope the person gets arrested for it and in as much trouble as possible.
This type of theft pisses me off more than anything. If the person in question is in SW Ohio I would gladdy drive a little to ask them what is up.
-Brendan
Was this not a public group sub? I can't seem to find the original thread.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>How much in lost cards are we talking about here? >>
does it matter?
IMF >>
For what sort of charges the person should face if they don't come through yes. If it is felony theft I hope the person gets arrested for it and in as much trouble as possible.
This type of theft pisses me off more than anything. If the person in question is in SW Ohio I would gladdy drive a little to ask them what is up.
-Brendan >>
Easy there, fella
In the last few posts I've read of yours, you either want to put someone in jail or beat the crap out of em
It's baseball cards that are missing here, not someone's child
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Looking for Charlie (Charley) Maxwell cards.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>Will this thread make it to the weekend? >>
Why wouldn't it? Nobody has accused anyone of a crime as of yet...
+1
Then to say he apologizes for the others making a big deal out of things... WHAT A TOOL!
But to respond to that situation by unabashedly accusing me of fraud is a joke. Sure, it took me a bit longer to get everyone their cards back than it should have, but everyone got their cards back and no fraud was perpetrated.
I'm not foolish enough to ask for and/or expect a response from CrimsonTider, though. His obvious lack of maturity in dealing with real life, adult situations tells me that any such request or expectation would be a waste of my time.
Now, as for clayshooter22, I'm hoping this is all a big misunderstanding and that everyone gets their cards back soon.
<< <i>Then to say he apologizes for the others making a big deal out of things... WHAT A TOOL! >>
Yes, I thought that was funny.
Nick
I stand corrected.
<< <i>Wow...I'll be the first to admit that my last group sub wasn't run as smoothly as I would have liked
But to respond to that situation by unabashedly accusing me of fraud is a joke. Sure, it took me a bit longer to get everyone their cards back than it should have, but everyone got their cards back and no fraud was perpetrated.
Now, as for clayshooter22, I'm hoping this is all a big misunderstanding and that everyone gets their cards back soon. >>
gumby, if you ever do another one, and I have some cards at the time, I'm in.
HEY HEY POW POW, GETS SAMSPOP HIS CARDS NOW!
Seriously dude, get his freaking cards back to him. Pronto.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>HEY HEY POW POW, GET SAMSPOP HIS CARDS NOW!
HEY HEY POW POW, GETS SAMSPOP HIS CARDS NOW!
Seriously dude, get his freaking cards back to him. Pronto. >>
Spoken like a true prodigy!
<< <i>Not gumby but he is made out of clay. He's a regular shooter, too. But unlike Mike Bossy, Islanders # 22. >>
Wow! You couldn't have asked for a better opportunity than this to inject Mr. Bossy into the mix, huh???
<< <i>Bill got banned???
Nothing like pulling someone out of the closet...
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<< <i>Bill got banned???
Nothing like pulling someone out of the closet... >>
I just got my daily fix of rat porn by clicking on that link. Thanks!
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Nice edit, twiley. I would imagine that the word "ghey" is in a lot of your google search activity.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Nice try Tinkerbell!
<< <i>Being called a tool by the likes of you is an honor. Thank you! >>
Actually I didn't call you a tool . . . UNLESS, "If you feel that you are in the right for making such unfounded accusations and feel that you have no obligation to make an apology, then you are a tool!"
Hopefully, next time I run out for some fried pork rinds and peanut butter, I hope you'll still say, "Hi, Welcome to WalMart!" when I walk through the front door...
<< <i>LOL FAIL!
Nice try Tinkerbell! >>
It sucks that this small group sub or whatever has gone sideways. I know a couple things- when I participated in the group subs put together by Craig and Bill, everything went fine. I also know that teenage internet tough guys say stuff like "fail" and think it's cool.
only if they come back with water damage
You have to ship the cards to the submiter, they ship them to PSA, they pay to ship them back to them and then they are shipped to the actual card holder.
That is four shipping charges. How does that cut down on the total cost???
Seriously how much can you possibly save doing this??
<< <i>At what price level does doing a joint sub work?
You have to ship the cards to the submiter, they ship them to PSA, they pay to ship them back to them and then they are shipped to the actual card holder.
That is four shipping charges. How does that cut down on the total cost???
Seriously how much can you possibly save doing this?? >>
I do them for autographed cards so I can only speak toward that. The usual price is $20 per card plus shipping to PSA and back to the submitter. On my group subs in the past, people have paid about $11.50 per card including shipping, so the group sub is a helluva deal when I do it for autographed cards.. They save a ton depending on how many they send. Also, one big thing to consider, is that in order to participate in a group sub, you don't have to be a collectors club member, just the submitter does. Therefore, that takes away the need for that person to pay $100++++ for a collectors club membership, that they would otherwise have to pay to submit.
Mike
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Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together??
My subs are mailed in huge amounts of bubble wrap around the card savers and then more bubble wrap for them to rest on in the box.
All in it is not cheap for prep and shipping.
For the auto numbers you described it makes sense but I would need money for the effort and risk of the submitter. The bottom line is you are now on the hook for their cards.
<< <i>the board member should be shot for this. No excuse is good enough outside of death, period. Even if he did die the cards should have already been returned by his next of kin, imo.
only if they come back with water damage >>
<< <i>
Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together??
>>
Translation: "Is there any way I can make money offering to do this?"
But seriously, sometimes people just do it cuz they enjoy it and are not looking to make money off every little thing they do for others. It's a nice gesture and I presume that sometimes they feel good about helping out others.
<< <i>
<< <i>
Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together??
>>
Translation: "Is there any way I can make money offering to do this?"
But seriously, sometimes people just do it cuz they enjoy it and are not looking to make money off every little thing they do for others. It's a nice gesture and I presume that sometimes they feel good about helping out others. >>
Agreed. I can honestly say that for the most part, group subs aren't done in the hopes of making money for the submitter.
In the case of me submitting the cards with clayshooter22 (I can use his name now that it has been posted), I had 5 Jumbo cards that I have had for some time. There are no group sub specials that allow for bulk rates for less than 25 cards and in most cases, the minimum is 50. I have a membership to PSA, but in lieu of paying an exhorbatant amount to send in the 5 cards, clayshooter22 put together a group sub of jumbo cards that allowed us to get the group rate. So, it is not always an instance of only the submitter having a membership, but sometimes, and particularly in this case, it allowed us to meet a minimum number of cards for the lower rate.
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It just would seem to me there is cost and risk and I just wondered if you asked for compensation for it.
I have no interest in a joint submission and just wanted to know the economics of it. Plain and simple.
<< <i>The club membership makes a huge difference.
Do you charge some kind of sur charge for putting it together??
My subs are mailed in huge amounts of bubble wrap around the card savers and then more bubble wrap for them to rest on in the box.
All in it is not cheap for prep and shipping.
For the auto numbers you described it makes sense but I would need money for the effort and risk of the submitter. The bottom line is you are now on the hook for their cards. >>
Those are some good points. My short answers are:
"Surcharge for putting it together", no, not in the past and probably not in the future.
"All in it is is not cheap for prep and shipping." You are 100% correct on that. I took a small hit on the 1st one because I didn't charge enough for shipping. On the 2nd one, I corrected the pricing and overall, I think I finished up a grand total of around $17.00 to the good. On the next one I do, I am considering lowering the minimum, and charging an additional $1.00 per card. That will allow small submitters to participate, and the extra money I get from the larger orders for shipping, will offset the expense of the smaller orders shipping, and I think $12.50 will still be a fair price for all inclusive with no other charges, but I haven't decided yet whether to do that or not.
The longer answers are as follows as I don't do it to make money off the people here but I do it primarily for the following reasons:
1) In order to get the special pricing from PSA, they said I needed a minimum of 300 cards to get the $10 rate, I don't sub that many personally. Therefore, I need others' volume or I'd be paying $20 per card for my own. Therefore, by doing a bulk sub, I save $10 off each submission for myself or $1500 total if I do a 150 card order myself. In other words, instead of paying 150 x $20 equals $3,000, I'm paying 150 x $10 equals $1500.
2) I'll get to see some amazing cards and I'll know who has them in case I want to make them an offer on them. This has the potential to help me find some cards that otherwise i wouldn't.
3) It builds goodwill and trust, which leads to many more succesful transactions in the future.
4) I make more friends, and no one can have enough of those.
5) I'm not going to turn down anyone that sends "extra" money for my time and trouble. I'm sure there will be some that are compelled to do this, they most certainly don't have to, but there are a lot of nice people here. I have received a couple of cards for my collection through these subs, and the use of vouchers as well.
6) It will give me future negotiating power with PSA when I need a favor from them. Like slabbing my children's personal cards, which they've done for me before they started the custom card service, allowing me to use my membership vouchers for autographed submissions, when they explicitly say you can't, etc., and extending special pricing to me on other items from time to time which I have used. As a matter of fact I've got some personal stuff at Newport Beach right now that they are doing for me for 50% off.
7) The intrinsic value of helping others and being able to set an example that my kids can live by
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