The best looking raw 1959 Proof Franklin (DCAM) I have ever seen is for sale on EBay.

SanctionII

Just checked Franklin listings and saw this coin. Multiple high quality pictures of both sides of the coin show it off nicely. Why it was not slabbed before being listed I do not know.

A little over 1 day is left on the auction. Five bids for the coin so far, with $30.00 being the high bid. Of course the reserve on the coin has not been met yet (Duhhhhhhhhhhh).

I wonder what the high bid will turn out to be and I wonder if the reserve will be met [I suspect that the reserve is in the mid four figures and that it will not be met].

BigRick

Linkage?

coinkid855

Link?



-Paul

SanctionII

Maybe someone with computer skills can post a link.

If not, just go to EBay coins and click to US/Halves/Franklins and search for "1959 Cameo". There are only a few listed and the one I mentioned just leaps of the page at you.

TomB

The white balance is quite poor on the images, but the cameo does look very good.

SanctionII

TomB says:

"but the cameo does look very good".

If the image of the coin is accurate, TomB is a master of the understatement

coinkid855

It does look really nice...



-Paul

MsMorrisine

I'm afraid of monsters

ChrisRx

White balance is way off.

SoCalBigMark

Could it really look like what I edited?

JupitarCoins

That coin sure does look like a monster coin.
The shipping is kinda high though!!

keyman64

Mine! Everybody else should stay away.

SanctionII

So now that this auction has been brought to the attention of the forums, does anyone think it will meet the reserve and actually sell?

I think that this coin was listed in a prior auction, with a reserve, and that it did not sell.

I still scratch my head as to why a coin of this quality and rarity would be auctioned raw. If it were slabbed by PCGS and received a DCAM grade it would be a much easier sell.

PawPaul

the feller that has this '59 up for auction sells many raw CAM/DCAM Franklins that he states he bought some 20 years ago ......... he has hada lot of dates he has sold raw.

I gotta think if he needs money - getting a coin like that slabbed , in his grade of PR-68 DCAM @ PCGS would net him tens of thousands of dollars .

Even a PR-67 DCAM is worth mega bucks

keyman64

That coin slabbed as a DCAM 68 would be very very easy to sell I imagine. Unslabbed....a bit more difficult. My guess is that it does not sell...although I will watch with interest.

PawPaul

many of his Cameo Franklins have sold in the past , for strong money - but no where near what PCGS graded Cameo's bring

SanctionII

I have been looking for a raw 1959 half like the one pictured in the EBay auction for over 10 years. Never have found one.

The closest I came was finding a 1959 set in OGP that contained a 1959 half with obverse frost that is not quite as nice as the obverse frost on the pictured coin and reverse frost that is moderate/heavy at best. When I first saw the half in the set I saw the obverse. My pulse went up about 20 beats per minute and I turned the set over to look at the reverse hoping it had the same level of frost as the obverse. Alas, no such luck. I bought the set to get the half anyway and paid about $25.00 for the set.

That half is still my best 1959.

I have also found some other 1959 halves with moderate frost on both sides. Very nice coins, but not close to the two sided DCAM monster I would like to find.

lcoopie

I am skeptical

NewParadigm

No way PR68

I would say 62-63.

That scrape on the cheek is going to weigh heavily on the grade

bushmaster8

Reserve has been met.

kryptonitecomics

Wow....did the seller cut you in on the action becuase you single handedly made sure this coin hit the reserve


To me it looks too good to be true but it may be just too good of an opportunity to pass up as well


I say good luck to whoever wins it

coinpictures

<< <i>I would say 62-63. >>



Harsh.

SanctionII

Maybe my posting this thread gave the coin up for auction some "forum exposure" that resulted in a frenzy of bidding up to and beyond the seller's reserve.

The current bid is just under $400.00. I wonder how high the bidding will go during the remaining 10 hours of the auction. If the coin in hand looks like it does in the pictures, the winning bidder will have done very well, particularly if the coin sells below $1,000.00.

If anyone here on the forums wins the coin, let us know and post you own pics when you receive the coin.

Now as far as my commission goes..................................

fivecents

I am bidding on this coin and plan on winning it. Thanks SanctionII.

devious

there is a return policy.

crazyhounddog

<< <i>White balance is way off. >>



Some coins really need to be slabbed, this is one of them! I'm sure this is a nice coin, and a rare cameo, but why isn't this piece slabbed? I agree with the McMorrisine who said " I'm afraid of monsters" especially when their not slabbed!! I don't know that this is a problem coin, but it makes me wonder.... But surely NOT a proof-68!!

Russ

That coin will not be nearly as contrasted in-hand. Might be a cameo, but it is not a deep cameo.

Russ, NCNE

devious

just an fyi: he sold one awhile back and it almost hit $1k at the end of the auction and apparently the buyer was satisfied according to the feedback.

crazyhounddog

130435430957 Check this one out!!!

Russ

<< <i>130435430957 Check this one out!!! >>



The obverse and reverse cameo images in that listing were stolen from R&I Coins.

Russ, NCNE

WoodenJefferson

Buying RAW proof Franklin half dollars from pictures on the internet is really dicey. A very delicate handling is required to keep this coin pristine, all it takes is one little scratch and this coin is toast!

crazyhounddog

<< <i>Buying RAW proof Franklin half dollars from pictures on the internet is really dicey. A very delicate handling is required to keep this coin pristine, all it takes is one little scratch and this coin is toast! >>



I agree, a seller can really make a raw coin look really nice! And even image a completey different coin and use it as the real deal.....

sinin1

I do like the photograph anyway



as far as I am concerned, some coins are best by the pics I can download from the internet



must have a black background with angled lighting to get that pic


I am in the PCGS CAM camp - whats a 66 CAM worth?


and after checking my COINFACTS, the PCGS pic of a PR67 (no designationa at all)

joebb21

probably just a cameo and a low grade at that.
hes not stupid- if the coin was what he claims he would have it certified.

soty27

<< <i>Maybe my posting this thread gave the coin up for auction some "forum exposure" that resulted in a frenzy of bidding up to and beyond the seller's reserve.

The current bid is just under $400.00. I wonder how high the bidding will go during the remaining 10 hours of the auction. If the coin in hand looks like it does in the pictures, the winning bidder will have done very well, particularly if the coin sells below $1,000.00.

If anyone here on the forums wins the coin, let us know and post you own pics when you receive the coin.

Now as far as my commission goes.................................. >>



There is no maybe about it.

crazyhounddog

<< <i>probably just a cameo and a low grade at that.
hes not stupid- if the coin was what he claims he would have it certified. >>



.....100% RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

robkool

Appears to be a PR67 or PR68CAM based on those pics...

djdilliodon

Proof coins can look real good in pics and once in hand those hair lines can just appear like magic. There is only 1 seller i trust for proof coins on ebay and that is jwcameo. He is always honest when selling raw proofs.

57loaded

<< <i>probably just a cameo and a low grade at that.
hes not stupid- if the coin was what he claims he would have it certified. >>



and with the others who have mentioned a coin like this being slabbed.

what could he get for a slabbed CAM MS64-5? and i do not know which TPG is toughest on these, if there is one.
that might sway someone savvy to snatch it up??
edit i see sinin1 asked this? already, sorry

devious

I bid and got outbid a little later already today. Hey, there is a return policy.

Coiny

I buy lots of Franklins off of EBay and what I learned (the hard way) is
most coins that are pictured using either filters or distorted settings that result in colored coins
is intentional. The Franklins have a tendency to look unblemished using light that colorizes them.

In hand I found they are usually dissapointments.

There is no way I would invest this many dollars in a raw coin advertised
intemntionally with a different color.

May want to think twice before bidding this one up.

SanctionII

This coin has garnered lots of attention, multiple bids on EBay and multiple posts to this thread.

Oh the excitement

I wonder how many bids and posts this coin will generate by the time the auction closes.

If a forumite wins the coin I hope they get a winner and that they post pics of same after the receive it.

fivecents

<< <i>That coin will not be nearly as contrasted in-hand. Might be a cameo, but it is not a deep cameo. >>

This comment from fellow board member Russ is enough to make me not bid on that coin. Russ has the best eye and feel for Franklin and Kennedy halves in CAM/DCAM than ANY other PCGS board member.
I was going for the DCAM designation shot.

SanctionII

Interesting how this coin and this thread has drawn Russ out of the bushes to chime in.

He does not post much anymore [compared to years ago]. He must be busy with his net sales.

Russ

The coin was shot using very low light. This method forces the camera lens to focus on the lighter areas, (devices), at the expense of the darker areas, (fields). This results in enhanced contrast, and is also what accounts for the screwed up white balance.

Russ, NCNE

pf70collector

In 05, I won a PCGS DCAM 68 Frankie in a live internet ANR(now Stacks) auction for $500. It had no pics but it came with two other coins as well. That was my best rip ever-made $2500 in pure profit after I held for several years. I did snipe it at the last possible moment though and there were floor bidders and still the coin was totally ignored.
Unless it is slabbed I will never buy raw on ebay.

MadMarty

<< <i>The coin was shot using very low light. This method forces the camera lens to focus on the lighter areas, (devices), at the expense of the darker areas, (fields). This results in enhanced contrast, and is also what accounts for the screwed up white balance.

Russ, NCNE >>



I'm agreeing with Russ, it's a CAM at best.

robkool

WOW !!! The bids on this proof frankie is higher than the cost of a 1950 proof set.

keets

The coin was shot using very low light. This method forces the camera lens to focus on the lighter areas, (devices), at the expense of the darker areas, (fields). This results in enhanced contrast, and is also what accounts for the screwed up white balance.

my first impression was the "lampshade" technique, but i guess the result is close to the same with either method.

SanctionII

The last bid for $710.00 was made between 11:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon PDT. None since then.

I wonder if anyone else will bid prior to the last minute of the auction?

Will anyone place snipe bids through a sniping program?

I wonder how many forumites have bid on the coin [29 bids, with multiple bids placed by more than one bidder so far]?

I wonder if comments contained in this thread have caused bidders to take a deep breath and think twice before bidding above $710.00?

Such "coin drama" being played out right before our eyes. Quick. someone should start a "You Tube" video clip on this "coin drama"; should tweet about this "coin drama" on Twitter; should post on Facebook walls about this "coin drama"; should pitch a Reality TV show about this "coin drama"; and should seek a guest appearance on Oprah about this "coin drama"

mrearlygold

It just doesn't make sense to sell it raw.