<< <i>So, my order, which was placed on the 15th and email confirmed (I am literally a mere handful of orders higher than the 5303), which I placed when the 'coin' imaged on the website looked like a matte finish, will not be the same coin I ordered???? Don't get me wrong, I like some of your products, but to up and change it like that, then change the image on the website is somewhat disheartening. I'd much rather have the one that looked like the one I ordered. Now, instead of a solid mintage number, there are going to be 'games' with 'subtype' mintages? >>
Sorry for the confusion. The first batch of about 200 was minted and sold out before the second batch was even started. At the time I did not know that the second batch would look any different. As it turns out, due to revised procedures, the second batch looks better (I think). I was not able to update the picture until later, after some of the second batch were finished.
My wife packages and ships orders, generally "first-in", "first-out". In this case, some orders with additional types of coins were filled for logistical reasons. Since your order is so close to the "cut-off" number, I will see if I can do anything about getting you one of the first batch.
The TOTAL number, of all production runs combined, will be 2,000 or less. It is inevitable that there will be changes in production procedures along the way. I expect that all 2,000 (or less) will be struck with the same dies (unless there is a die failure). So the only "varieties" will be surface finish types.
#5262, Order Date: 9/15/2010 5:52 AM, Shipped 9/16 per postage Ship notification email timestamped Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:03 AM received by me today, 9/18
<< <i>Also, to be a copy doesn't an original have to exist? >>
Yes. Since a 1964 peace dollar doesn't exist, it would be illogical to call a D. Carr 1964 dollar coin a "copy". >>
I don't understand your reasoning. 300,000+ 1964-D's were minted and later destroyed. Mr. Carr has produced a copy of a coin that once existed but no longer exists. Just because it no longer exists doesn't mean one cannot make a copy of it. It is for this reason that I think it is inaccurate to call this a fantasy. It is most certainly NOT a fantasy coin. It is a copy of a coin that was actually produced by the US Mint.
<< <i>are the first 200 sold out ...if we havent got a confirmation of shipment does that mean we wont get one of the matte proof version??? >>
Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch. As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not. I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies. For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ? >>
Drats! Didn't quite make the cut for the first batch - Order Number 5313.
Oh well, the second batch sounds like an even more rare run of 90 "transition" pieces!
<< <i>So, my order, which was placed on the 15th and email confirmed (I am literally a mere handful of orders higher than the 5303), which I placed when the 'coin' imaged on the website looked like a matte finish, will not be the same coin I ordered???? Don't get me wrong, I like some of your products, but to up and change it like that, then change the image on the website is somewhat disheartening. I'd much rather have the one that looked like the one I ordered. Now, instead of a solid mintage number, there are going to be 'games' with 'subtype' mintages? >>
Sorry for the confusion. The first batch of about 200 was minted and sold out before the second batch was even started. At the time I did not know that the second batch would look any different. As it turns out, due to revised procedures, the second batch looks better (I think). I was not able to update the picture until later, after some of the second batch were finished.
My wife packages and ships orders, generally "first-in", "first-out". In this case, some orders with additional types of coins were filled for logistical reasons. Since your order is so close to the "cut-off" number, I will see if I can do anything about getting you one of the first batch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cool hook me up to i just missed the cutoff ...i really want a matte proof ....who u want me to kill......
<< <i>Just placed an order for 2 pieces...order #5395 >>
I just placed my order for a companion to my first one....order #5396!
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If you look close, at my photo...you can see the trace of the 2, in front of the 4 in the date. Interesting question..IF graders at PCGS can see the trace of the date, would they not slab this as a 1922 (or whatever) Altered Surfaces...cause, my goodness, the surfaces SURE have been altered!
<< <i>News of this hasnt made it over to the sleepy folks ATS on their forum yet...
and OMG what will happen when Coin World comes with a story on this..and you KNOW they will. >>
Their News Editor, Bill Gibbs, was there when the Mint lied to us about the 1977/6 false die overstrike cents, so he may have something to say....... TD
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<< <i>I think this thread is the fastest on its way to 1,000! >>
Betcha there's three or four of them "1,000's" posted on here.....
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Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch. As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not. I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies. For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ?
Wow...looks like I got the last one!!! Sweet!!!
Hello Tim, This email has been sent to inform you that your order, #5303, has been updated to a status of Shipped.
<< <i> A couple years ago my local coin club arranged a VIP "floor tour" of the Denver Mint for the membership. This is the tour where you get to see stuff up close, hold dies in your hand, etc. You have to apply ahead of time and go through a background check long before you can get in. In other words, this is not the ordinary public tour. You have to go through strict security screening on the way in and out.
On the day of the tour, I had forgotten that I was carrying a pocket piece "1964-D" overstruck Peace Dollar (Die Pair 2) in a compartment in my wallet. On the way in, visitors are told to leave coins and such behind, and they are screened for large metallic objects (weapons). My coin didn't register on the detectors. Once inside, I remembered. Oops, what should I do now !? I knew that on the way out, the security screening is different and will detect any coins attempting to leave. So my options were: 1) ditch the coin somewhere inside the mint; 2) walk out with it and have some explaining to do ! I chose the latter. Shoes, wallets, etc are all x-rayed on the way out (like at the airport). Anything that looks like a coin is inspected. The security gaurd says "let me see what's in your wallet". I pull out the pocket piece. He looks at it. "Ah, 1964, ok". He gives it back and I leave. Whew ! >>
Now that is a good story! Makes one wonder, if there are any old treasures hidden around the building, there is a way for them to escape, even with scrutiny by the guards ... >>
Maybe. I did get a coin press with 400 blank planchets, a reeded-edge collar for quarters, and some die-struck error stainless-steel feeding fingers - all from the Denver Mint.
<< <i>Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch. As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not. I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies. For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ?
Wow...looks like I got the last one!!! Sweet!!!
Hello Tim, This email has been sent to inform you that your order, #5303, has been updated to a status of Shipped.
Order Details Order Number: 5303 Order Date: 9/15/2010 3:04 PM
Taking offers if interested??? >>
Sorry I Don't think so:
Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch. As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not. I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies. For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ? >>
I just realized there is one exception. A few orders, higher than # 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200, IF the order ALSO included some other coin(s) in addition to a "1964-D" fantasy Peace Dollar (like a Hard Times Token or something).
<< <i>If you look close, at my photo...you can see the trace of the 2, in front of the 4 in the date. Interesting question..IF graders at PCGS can see the trace of the date, would they not slab this as a 1922 (or whatever) Altered Surfaces...cause, buy God, the surfaces SURE have been altered! >>
OK, I usually cringe when someone flags a typo in a forum or blog message, but this one is simply too good to pass up...
"buy God"???
I guess this raises a number of questions for forum members:
Can you buy God? If so, would you pay over spot? Is God listed on the greensheet? Can you tell me what grade I would get if I submitted God to a TPG (sorry, I can't post a photo)? Do I need to be concerned about Chinese knockoffs? What TPG should I use? Is a + or bean automatic? Who, if anyone, on the floor is making a market in God? If I'm selling God should I use Heritage? B&M? Stacks? Spinks? someone else? When I send it should I use USPS? How do I properly insure it? Priority Mail? Registered? Express Mail? Delivery confirmation, signature, or return receipt? and finally...what do I tell the postal clerk when she asks me about the contents???
..you have doomed yourself to a forum lifetime of critical spelling examination.
thank you for your careful and humorous post.
(please note that since I made the decision to get the internet out of my workplace, in order to attend to my craft more fully, most of my posts will be early AM and late PM. The iPhone continues to be a valuable tool, and will post on occasion with it. BUT, those late night posts, with sleepy old eyes and tired fingers....typos will creep in from time to time. Humble and grovelling Pre apologies)
What? A forum lifetime of critical spelling examination? I can't handle that! I guess it's time to shed my Senior Member title and re-register as a newbie. I may never make it to Master Collector status!
Thanks for appreciating the humor. I now return the thread to the DC 64 overstrikes...
I would feel more comfortable if on the edge it was inscribed as to its origins. This might of been mentioned in one of the prior posts that I did not read.
Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in.
<< <i>Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in. >>
Are you suggesting that edix2001 is an alt for Dan Carr?
<< <i>Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in. >>
Come on Mark. You're diluting any effectiveness your argument may hold by taking on this line of reasoning. D. Carr was not the OP of this thread. He can't control it. He can't even contain it. But, can you imagine if he didn't even contribute to it? That would be your (next) argument! Damned if he does, damned it he doesn't.
To not "allow" D. Carr to respond to statements- many of them outrageously bogus- because the subject matter involves coins he is minting and selling is, best case, disingenuous, worse case, a poor straw man argument and partially takes away from any credible point you may make.
<< <i>Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in. >>
I don't see any double standard. Usually, a spammer will start a thread to sell his coin. In this case, Dan didn't start any of these threads. He has, however, responded to questions and corrected any misinformation.
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<< <i>My original post was about the numismatic issues surrounding its release. Where everyone else decided to go with it is beyond my control. >>
I think I must agree. Knowledge of this issue, so that those of us who thought it should be opposed could oppose it, was important to get out. Nobody could have foreseen the speed or direction the thread would take.
I still believe that the release of the pieces without the word "COPY" was wrong.
TD
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<< <i>I think it is clear that Mr. Carr is not intending to pass his copies (not "fantasy issues") as real so I don't think one would could say he is committing fraud. He is very clear on his website about that. However, it is my understanding that since he has produced copies of an actual coin, he is legally required to mark them as such. His minor changes to the design are not the same as the word COPY or REPLICA. >>
His point is that the 1964 peace dollar is NOT an actual coin. --Jerry >>
1964 peace dollar was an actual coin. The fact that they were all reported to be destroyed does not eliminate the fact that they once existed. For this reason only, I side with the "copy" coin crowd. However, still nice work from a true artist.
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<< <i>My original post was about the numismatic issues surrounding its release. Where everyone else decided to go with it is beyond my control. >>
I think I must agree. Knowledge of this issue, so that those of us who thought it should be opposed could oppose it, was important to get out. Nobody could have foreseen the speed or direction the thread would take.
I still believe that the release of the pieces without the word "COPY" was wrong.
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<< <i>So, my order, which was placed on the 15th and email confirmed (I am literally a mere handful of orders higher than the 5303), which I placed when the 'coin' imaged on the website looked like a matte finish, will not be the same coin I ordered???? Don't get me wrong, I like some of your products, but to up and change it like that, then change the image on the website is somewhat disheartening. I'd much rather have the one that looked like the one I ordered. Now, instead of a solid mintage number, there are going to be 'games' with 'subtype' mintages? >>
Sorry for the confusion. The first batch of about 200 was minted and sold out before the second batch was even started. At the time I did not know that the second batch would look any different. As it turns out, due to revised procedures, the second batch looks better (I think). I was not able to update the picture until later, after some of the second batch were finished.
My wife packages and ships orders, generally "first-in", "first-out". In this case, some orders with additional types of coins were filled for logistical reasons.
Since your order is so close to the "cut-off" number, I will see if I can do anything about getting you one of the first batch.
The TOTAL number, of all production runs combined, will be 2,000 or less. It is inevitable that there will be changes in production procedures along the way.
I expect that all 2,000 (or less) will be struck with the same dies (unless there is a die failure). So the only "varieties" will be surface finish types.
So my order:
#5262,
Order Date: 9/15/2010 5:52 AM,
Shipped 9/16 per postage
Ship notification email timestamped Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:03 AM
received by me today, 9/18
was one of the FIRST 200 or not?????
<< <i>Dan,
So my order (#5262, Order Date: 9/15/2010 5:52 AM, received by me today, 9/18 - was one of the FIRST 200 or not)?????
Yes, it is one of the first 200. I have not shipped any from the second batch yet.
Please let us know after what date we can order another and be assured of one from the 2nd batch.
Sorry if this has already been answered.
<< <i>THANK YOU!!!
Please let us know after what date we can order another and be assured of one from the 2nd batch.
Sorry if this has already been answered. >>
Any ordered from now on will be the second (or third or fourth...) batch.
he already stated the dies literally go in a rust bucket. a bucket of water
and left there to deteirorate on purpose
<< <i>
<< <i>Also, to be a copy doesn't an original have to exist? >>
Yes. Since a 1964 peace dollar doesn't exist, it would be illogical to call a D. Carr 1964 dollar coin a "copy". >>
I don't understand your reasoning. 300,000+ 1964-D's were minted and later destroyed. Mr. Carr has produced a copy of a coin that once existed but no longer exists. Just because it no longer exists doesn't mean one cannot make a copy of it. It is for this reason that I think it is inaccurate to call this a fantasy. It is most certainly NOT a fantasy coin. It is a copy of a coin that was actually produced by the US Mint.
Mmm... Chocolate!
<< <i>
<< <i>are the first 200 sold out ...if we havent got a confirmation of shipment does that mean we wont get one of the matte proof version??? >>
Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch.
As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not.
I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies.
For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ? >>
Drats! Didn't quite make the cut for the first batch - Order Number 5313.
Oh well, the second batch sounds like an even more rare run of 90 "transition" pieces!
Mine ordered at 1:17pm on 9/16, order 5339
thought i got in under the wire due to DCARR's post below where he indicated only 158 sold:
oh well....................
<< <i>
<< heck are the 200 sold out yet gotta be close ...how many have been ordered now dan.. >>
Total number ordered as of this moment: 158
This doesn't include some I sold in person in my local area
Thursday September 16, 2010 3:43 PM (NEW!) >>
Order #5283 I'm still waiting for it's arrival.
<< <i>
<< <i>So, my order, which was placed on the 15th and email confirmed (I am literally a mere handful of orders higher than the 5303), which I placed when the 'coin' imaged on the website looked like a matte finish, will not be the same coin I ordered???? Don't get me wrong, I like some of your products, but to up and change it like that, then change the image on the website is somewhat disheartening. I'd much rather have the one that looked like the one I ordered. Now, instead of a solid mintage number, there are going to be 'games' with 'subtype' mintages? >>
Sorry for the confusion. The first batch of about 200 was minted and sold out before the second batch was even started. At the time I did not know that the second batch would look any different. As it turns out, due to revised procedures, the second batch looks better (I think). I was not able to update the picture until later, after some of the second batch were finished.
My wife packages and ships orders, generally "first-in", "first-out". In this case, some orders with additional types of coins were filled for logistical reasons.
Since your order is so close to the "cut-off" number, I will see if I can do anything about getting you one of the first batch.
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cool hook me up to i just missed the cutoff ...i really want a matte proof ....who u want me to kill......
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and OMG what will happen when Coin World comes with a story on this..and you KNOW they will.
<< <i>Just placed an order for 2 pieces...order #5395
I just placed my order for a companion to my first one....order #5396!
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<< <i>I vote to sell the actual dies to the craziest high bidder, if you can sell up to 2000 of these for 110 you might as well go all the way. >>
works for me then i can make all the variations i want let the bidding begin
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<< <i>News of this hasnt made it over to the sleepy folks ATS on their forum yet...
and OMG what will happen when Coin World comes with a story on this..and you KNOW they will. >>
We kinda make the curve high here, don't we Ambro! Daniel is on his way to a full court press.
Has there been a thread, for those that know, that has moved so rapidly in a short time??
Miles
<< <i>News of this hasnt made it over to the sleepy folks ATS on their forum yet...
and OMG what will happen when Coin World comes with a story on this..and you KNOW they will. >>
Their News Editor, Bill Gibbs, was there when the Mint lied to us about the 1977/6 false die overstrike cents, so he may have something to say.......
TD
<< <i>I think this thread is the fastest on its way to 1,000! >>
Betcha there's three or four of them "1,000's" posted on here.....
<< <i>
<< <i>News of this hasnt made it over to the sleepy folks ATS on their forum yet...
and OMG what will happen when Coin World comes with a story on this..and you KNOW they will. >>
We kinda make the curve high here, don't we Ambro! Daniel is on his way to a full court press.
Has there been a thread, for those that know, that has moved so rapidly in a short time??
Miles >>
Miles, you and I were thinkin' the same...
<< <i>
<< <i>I think this thread is the fastest on its way to 1,000! >>
Betcha there's three or four of them "1,000's" posted on here.....
Faster then this?
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As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not.
I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies.
For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ?
Wow...looks like I got the last one!!! Sweet!!!
Hello Tim,
This email has been sent to inform you that your order, #5303, has been updated to a status of Shipped.
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Order Details
Order Number: 5303
Order Date: 9/15/2010 3:04 PM
Taking offers if interested???
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<< <i>I vote to sell the actual dies to the craziest high bidder, if you can sell up to 2000 of these for 110 you might as well go all the way. >>
No dies allowed outside, sorry.
<< <i>
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A couple years ago my local coin club arranged a VIP "floor tour" of the Denver Mint for the membership. This is the tour where you get to see stuff up close, hold dies in your hand, etc. You have to apply ahead of time and go through a background check long before you can get in. In other words, this is not the ordinary public tour. You have to go through strict security screening on the way in and out.
On the day of the tour, I had forgotten that I was carrying a pocket piece "1964-D" overstruck Peace Dollar (Die Pair 2) in a compartment in my wallet. On the way in, visitors are told to leave coins and such behind, and they are screened for large metallic objects (weapons). My coin didn't register on the detectors. Once inside, I remembered. Oops, what should I do now !? I knew that on the way out, the security screening is different and will detect any coins attempting to leave. So my options were: 1) ditch the coin somewhere inside the mint; 2) walk out with it and have some explaining to do ! I chose the latter. Shoes, wallets, etc are all x-rayed on the way out (like at the airport). Anything that looks like a coin is inspected. The security gaurd says "let me see what's in your wallet". I pull out the pocket piece. He looks at it. "Ah, 1964, ok". He gives it back and I leave. Whew ! >>
Now that is a good story! Makes one wonder, if there are any old treasures hidden around the building, there is a way for them to escape, even with scrutiny by the guards ... >>
Maybe. I did get a coin press with 400 blank planchets, a reeded-edge collar for quarters, and some die-struck error stainless-steel feeding fingers - all from the Denver Mint.
<< <i>Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch.
As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not.
I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies.
For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ?
Wow...looks like I got the last one!!! Sweet!!!
Hello Tim,
This email has been sent to inform you that your order, #5303, has been updated to a status of Shipped.
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Order Number: 5303
Order Date: 9/15/2010 3:04 PM
Taking offers if interested??? >>
Sorry I Don't think so:
Order numbers up through 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200. Order numbers higher than that will get coins from the second batch.
As I mentioned previously, there might be differences in each run. So it is unknown if the first batch of 200 will be the lowest-mintage subtype or not.
I do think that the later they are in the minting, the better they will look. At some point, who knows, it might be neccessary to replace one or both dies.
For now, perhaps people should just consider them early die state vs middle die state, like any issue ? >>
I just realized there is one exception. A few orders, higher than # 5303 were filled with coins from the first batch of 200, IF the order ALSO included
some other coin(s) in addition to a "1964-D" fantasy Peace Dollar (like a Hard Times Token or something).
I am one of these that ordered other items.
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<< <i>News of this hasnt made it over to the sleepy folks ATS on their forum yet...
and OMG what will happen when Coin World comes with a story on this..and you KNOW they will. >>
We kinda make the curve high here, don't we Ambro! Daniel is on his way to a full court press.
Has there been a thread, for those that know, that has moved so rapidly in a short time??
Miles >>
I think only "The Big One" thread by D. Hall got bigger faster
<< <i>If you look close, at my photo...you can see the trace of the 2, in front of the 4 in the date. Interesting question..IF graders at PCGS can see the trace of the date, would they not slab this as a 1922 (or whatever) Altered Surfaces...cause, buy God, the surfaces SURE have been altered!
OK, I usually cringe when someone flags a typo in a forum or blog message, but this one is simply too good to pass up...
"buy God"???
I guess this raises a number of questions for forum members:
Can you buy God?
If so, would you pay over spot?
Is God listed on the greensheet?
Can you tell me what grade I would get if I submitted God to a TPG (sorry, I can't post a photo)?
Do I need to be concerned about Chinese knockoffs?
What TPG should I use?
Is a + or bean automatic?
Who, if anyone, on the floor is making a market in God?
If I'm selling God should I use Heritage? B&M? Stacks? Spinks? someone else?
When I send it should I use USPS? How do I properly insure it? Priority Mail? Registered? Express Mail? Delivery confirmation, signature, or return receipt?
and finally...what do I tell the postal clerk when she asks me about the contents???
by God, I'm confused!
Thanks to Forum members for your good thoughts.
..........the poor guy is trying to keep everyone happy
but you know - if I end up with the lower mintage Type II (with a mintage of 90)
I will have the rarer of the two types so far , and I will have the more realistic version !
So , I should be happy !!
P.S. - I intend on getting every single die state he makes
and if ANACS ends up slabbing them , PCGS would be smart to do the same
thank you for your careful and humorous post.
(please note that since I made the decision to get the internet out of my workplace, in order to attend to my craft more fully, most of my posts will be early AM and late PM. The iPhone continues to be a valuable tool, and will post on occasion with it. BUT, those late night posts, with sleepy old eyes and tired fingers....typos will creep in from time to time. Humble and grovelling Pre apologies)
Thanks for appreciating the humor. I now return the thread to the DC 64 overstrikes...
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in.
<< <i>Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in. >>
Are you suggesting that edix2001 is an alt for Dan Carr?
<< <i>Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in. >>
Come on Mark. You're diluting any effectiveness your argument may hold by taking on this line of reasoning. D. Carr was not the OP of this thread. He can't control it. He can't even contain it. But, can you imagine if he didn't even contribute to it? That would be your (next) argument! Damned if he does, damned it he doesn't.
To not "allow" D. Carr to respond to statements- many of them outrageously bogus- because the subject matter involves coins he is minting and selling is, best case, disingenuous, worse case, a poor straw man argument and partially takes away from any credible point you may make.
peacockcoins
<< <i>Talk about a double standard.....and, in this instance, I don't even mean the one about copies of coins, who produces them, etc.
Often, if an owner of a coin posts about it here, and it happens to be for sale on a website or the BST forum, even if the seller doesn't mention that the coin is for sale, there are cries of foul and SPAM. And yet, these coins are widely known as being available for sale and the producer/seller has posted to this and other threads on the subject many, many, times, but there has barely been a peep about the SPAM.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Mr. Carr, personally, even though we disagree as to whether his coins should say "COPY" on them. And most of his posts are customer service related and/or extremely gracious and informative regarding the minting process, etc. They make for excellent reading.
In fact, my complaint is not really about him. But, rather, it is about the huge double standard in play here, probably because many of the posters want to buy the coins in question. So they look the other way, or close their eyes to the issue of SPAM.
I expect that I will receive considerable flack for this post. And if so, that's OK. But, if you don't like what I have said, before you complain about SPAM next time, either give the guy a break or admit to the double standard you are engaging in. >>
I don't see any double standard. Usually, a spammer will start a thread to sell his coin. In this case, Dan didn't start any of these threads. He has, however, responded to questions and corrected any misinformation.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>My original post was about the numismatic issues surrounding its release. Where everyone else decided to go with it is beyond my control.
I think I must agree. Knowledge of this issue, so that those of us who thought it should be opposed could oppose it, was important to get out. Nobody could have foreseen the speed or direction the thread would take.
I still believe that the release of the pieces without the word "COPY" was wrong.
TD
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<< <i>I think it is clear that Mr. Carr is not intending to pass his copies (not "fantasy issues") as real so I don't think one would could say he is committing fraud. He is very clear on his website about that. However, it is my understanding that since he has produced copies of an actual coin, he is legally required to mark them as such. His minor changes to the design are not the same as the word COPY or REPLICA. >>
His point is that the 1964 peace dollar is NOT an actual coin. --Jerry >>
1964 peace dollar was an actual coin. The fact that they were all reported to be destroyed does not eliminate the fact that they once existed. For this reason only, I side with the "copy" coin crowd. However, still nice work from a true artist.
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<< <i>My original post was about the numismatic issues surrounding its release. Where everyone else decided to go with it is beyond my control.
I think I must agree. Knowledge of this issue, so that those of us who thought it should be opposed could oppose it, was important to get out. Nobody could have foreseen the speed or direction the thread would take.
I still believe that the release of the pieces without the word "COPY" was wrong.
TD >>
Same can be said for those that don't oppose it.
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