NGC Black Slab Census - Now 42 documented

astrorat

Updated to 42 documented

A 1937-P Boone commemorative half dollar was just added.

Based on the highest submission numbers for each of the coins in the registry, it would mean a minimum of 309 coins were submitted to NGC when the black slabs were in use.

Hello all-

Below is a list I maintain that reports what I know as the existing NGC Black slabs. I am sure it is incomplete, but it's a start. Please let me know if you are aware of any other NGC Black slabs and are willing to share their existence. Thanks.

Lane

Space in the list is compressed when posting.

Date / Coin / Grade / Serial Number
1890-P / Liberty Nickel / PR-63 / 121203-012
1908-P / Liberty Nickel / PF-64 / 121355-002
1837-P / Seated Liberty Dime / MS-65 / 121036-004
1892-P / Barber Dime / MS-62 / 121501-008
1913-P / Barber Dime / MS-64 / 121356-019
1939-P / Mercury Dime / PF-65 / 121390-013
1939-P / Washington Quarter / PF-65 / 121467-002
1940-D / Washington Quarter / MS-64 / 121689-005
1940-P / Walking Liberty Half / MS-65 / 121349-016
1941-P / Walking Liberty Half / MS-65 / 121251-019
1946-D / Walking Liberty Half / MS-65 / 121203-023
1953-P / Franklin Half / PF-65 / 121423-005
1879-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121699-023
1880-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / ????
1880-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121194-010
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-63 / 121194-020
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-65 / 121036-010
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121624-024
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121699-021
1882-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121624-021
1884-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121699-017
1885-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-63 / 121746-011
1886-P / Morgan Dollar / MS-63 / 121746-015
1891-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121501-001
1922-P / Peace Dollar / MS-63 / 121105-006
1923-P / Peace Dollar / MS-63 / 121699-011
1888-P / $2.5 Liberty / MS-63 / 121780-018
1898-P / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121689-006
1914-P / $10 Indian / MS-62 / 121276-008
1922-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-016
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-004
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-63 / 121047-013
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-005
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-006
1927-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-021
1935-S / San Diego / MS-66 / 121356-016
1936-D / Cincinnati / MS-65 / 121625-018
1936-P / Norfolk / MS-65 / 121036-011
1936-P / Norfolk / MS-65 / 121036-015
1937-P / Boone / MS-65 / 121625-023
1937-D / Oregon Trail / MS-65 / 121356-015
1946-P / Iowa / MS-65 / 121446-009

Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. And another group of 6 holders is reportedly being held by another collector. A third group is reportedly held by a Western New York collector.

customroll

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "Black slab?"

astrorat

The "black slab" was the first generation NGC slab. Do a search on "NGC black" in the US Coin Forum and you will see lots of posts.

Lane

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291fifth

My recollection is that they were introduced at the 1987 Atlanta ANA. The color was changed to white very shortly thereafter.

CoinRaritiesOnline

I might be the only one, but I really liked the fact that that these black slabs had the label on the back of the slab and not the front.

It forced the viewer to (heaven forbid!) look at the actual coin and not just the tag.

customroll

Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

pheh

No longer mine - sold a while back.

astrorat

Thanks for the new entry!

Lane

PerryHall

I don't have a pic but I bought a 1927 Saint in MS62 in a NGC Black First Generation slab---NGC-121165-021.

LanLord

I truly don't understand why one or more of the big guys don't offer black as an option, even if it's an additional cost.

I think the coins look so much better in black!

astrorat

Thanks, Perry.

Lane

customroll

<< <i>I truly don't understand why one or more of the big guys don't offer black as an option, even if it's an additional cost.

I think the coins look so much better in black! >>


Maybe they're afraid of being accused of "enhancing the appearance" of the coins

tightbudget

<< <i>I truly don't understand why one or more of the big guys don't offer black as an option, even if it's an additional cost.

I think the coins look so much better in black! >>



They look great against blast white coins, but try having that against a brown copper piece. Won't look too good.

DRUNNER

NGC Black Peace Dollar 1922 121105-006 arrived today. Happy to have it and fun to hold this little piece of slabbing history.

Primarily still a Doily collector, but this is an exception I was more than willing to make.

Drunner

kryptonitecomics

<< <i>NGC Black Peace Dollar 1922 121105-006 arrived today. Happy to have it and fun to hold this little piece of slabbing history.

Primarily still a Doily collector, but this is an exception I was more than willing to make.

Drunner >>




and I think for all of us who searched for one of these for yours when I say respectfully..."YOU SUCK"

chumley

I have never seen a black slab in the wild

CoinCrazyPA

1936-D Cincinnati MS-65 S/N 121625-018 Is this the one that was on TT about a week ago? If so it went for moon money, or maybe not?

lcoopie

it may be a little confusing by my posting after CoinCrazyPa
as his icon is my coin,
however,

I think CRO made a very good point of having the label on the back.

astrorat

Updated census

astrorat

Updated to 19 slabs

steveben

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nice coin! can you show the reverse by any chance? i'm thinking i like these black slabs.

johnny9434

i remember seeing them many years ago but havent in a very long time. what a bummer to

Kove

I found another NGC black to add to the census.

It's another Norfolk, MS 65, 121036-015, CAC gold sticker.

TennesseeDave

Seems strange that all the listed ones are uncirculated coins.

astrorat

Updated with the discovery of a gold CAC-stickered 1936-P Norfolk half dollar!

johnny9434

the black slabs still look way cool. to bad about the low population on them

mkman123

NGC needs to bring back black slabs!! I love the look of coins with the black background

keets

They look great against blast white coins, but try having that against a brown copper piece. Won't look too good.

this is why the key word in his reply was "option" for the submitter. i would imagine many would want Black with white coins and white with copper coins, with toned and Gold coins probably a toss up.

Raufus

When were these black slabs issued?

Kove

<< <i>i would imagine many would want Black with white coins and white with copper coins, with toned and Gold coins probably a toss up. >>



Gold coins look smashing in the black holders...

LowBudget

I wouldnt give them free advertising on a PCGS forum!!!

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LostSisler

That 1881 S Morgan now has a Bean;
In-case you missed it HERE.

astrorat

<< <i>That 1881 S Morgan now has a Bean;
In-case you missed it HERE. >>

That's a blast from the past!

astrorat

<< <i>Interestingly after reviewint he list and cviewing the pics the question I find myself askinging is why aren't there any great coins, you know incredible color and eyeappeal and undergradedetc. I always thought that the coin came first and then the slab, if we found that great looking and undergraded coin(s)show up in black slabs then I could see the black slabs becoming popular ie if you owned one then you owned a phenomenal coin with color and upgrade potential. But I don't see that, i just see a bunch of black slabs, is it fair to say that most have been cracked out and what you have left is the forever entombed going nowhere examples better left alone and doesn't that hurt the black slab leftover craze? >>

The reason "great coins" didn't make it into NGC Black holders is two-fold. First, these were the first generation NGC holders and the were not in production for very long (about 3 months) because many coins were not very attractive in the black holders and were either not submitted or cracked out into white NGC holders or PCGS holders. The other reason is that not everyone was "slab crazy" back when NGC and PCGS first started. It was a different numismatic culture.

streeter

Monday I walked into one of my favorite dealers and lo and behold on his supply shelf was a NGC black box. Cool box.


Price was right.

LanceNewmanOCC

.
to add

1881-S ms64 121624-024
.

oreville

These are my black NGC slabs, half of which are already reported in the census.

I just wanted to list them here so that I have a internet ready location to see which ones are mine.
I believe I may have one more of these in my other vault box which I will look inside tomorrow.
Edit - could not make it to the bank. Next week instead.

(1)1890-P 05c PR-63 121203-012 CAC gold
(2)1940-P 50c MS-65 121349-016 no sticker (PVC poster girl)
(3)1879-S $1 MS-64 121699-023 CAC green
(4)1881-S $1 MS-65 121036-010 CAC green
(5)1891-O $1 MS-64 121501-001 CAC green
(6)1922-P $20 MS-62 121165-016 no sticker
(7)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-004 green sticker
(8)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-006 gold sticker

I have long maintained that there is probably between 85 and 200 surviving NGC black slabs so I have no illusions about this current documented census report.

astrorat

The list is updated in the OP ... now 26 documented.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>The list is updated in the OP ... now 26 documented. >>


thank the lord in heaven for you organizing that list by date and mm now
.

PerryHall

<< <i>I might be the only one, but I really liked the fact that that these black slabs had the label on the back of the slab and not the front.

It forced the viewer to (heaven forbid!) look at the actual coin and not just the tag. >>



Dealers hated this which is why it was changed. What if a collector was looking for a specific date and mintmark and the mintmark was on the reverse? Dealers got tired of collectors asking what the mintmark is and they had to either put their label on the slab or display the slab with the reverse side up.

CoinRaritiesOnline

<< <i>Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. >>



I'll believe it when I see it.

mr1931S

I'm waiting for the first purple slabs.I'll be trying to get my hands on as many of these as possible.

There was a movie made about this color,you know.

astrorat

<< <i>

<< <i>Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. >>



I'll believe it when I see it. >>

This is just based on one person posting this as true ... which is why I wrote reportedly. I have no idea if it is true or not.

PerryHall

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. >>



I'll believe it when I see it. >>

This is just based on one person posting this as true ... which is why I wrote reportedly. I have no idea if it is true or not. >>



I think the person that posted this has since been banned so we'll probably never know. In any event demand is so high that this small quantity can be easily absorbed by the marketplace.

RYK

Gold coins look smashing in the black holders...

There is indeed something special about black and gold.

Justacommeman

<< <i>Gold coins look smashing in the black holders...

There is indeed something special about black and gold. >>



Even Charlie Batch? I think I actually played against him in the 80's...............MJ

mkman123

There should be 40+ as I think Texasnationals claimed to have a dozen plus that he has but never sent it here to document, etc. He was afraid that it might decrease the value or what not. Who knows, he didn't want to take a pic and I think he's been banned already due to something from his offer me something contest

astrorat

<< <i>There should be 40+ as I think Texasnationals claimed to have a dozen plus that he has but never sent it here to document, etc. He was afraid that it might decrease the value or what not. Who knows, he didn't want to take a pic and I think he's been banned already due to something from his offer me something contest >>

He is the one who claimed to know of 17 other pieces. The census, however, is built on fact and not rumor, so they are not counted but a notation is made about their claimed existence.

oreville

My friend Sloop Hill Collection acquired a 1941 50c MS-65 black NGC #121251-019 from Bill Shamhart last year. It was later green stickered.

please add this one to the census.