<< <i>I have to believe that photography will eventually be able to capture most if not the best works. Then an illustrated book can be produced ?
Maybe there are a few photographers who can do the job now? Or someone else who can "collect" images from willing, even anonymous donors and put one together?
Oops, a little off topic, but then again if the PNG is adopting a new doctoring definition, perhaps they could pursue the creation of a new illustrated book before someone else does? >>
Great idea mrearlygold, an encyclopedia/compendium on coin doctoring!!! Coins could be submitted anonymously to Mark, Todd, Jeremy, messydesk, etc. They could take professional images, and the anonymous submitters could provide details on the tooling/AT perpetrated by the 'Coin Doctors! PCGS/NGC certification displayed?? not sure of the legal issues with that. Just my mind rambling on a Sunday night!!!
In teaching how to detect counterfeits one of the main points is to know what the genuine coin looks like. It would be helpful to have an altered and original comparison.
<< <i>Also, when you start parroting things about Mark (I also convienently forgot his last name) you run the risk of getting yourself in big trouble with the whole community here. I have known him for a long time and never once heard him associated with coin doctoring. Maybe I havn't listened hard enough. Mark is a Chaplain who has served his country in Afghanistan and Iraq and to disparage him publicly on this board without proof is too much.[q/]
I'm not sure you are both talking about the same guy. The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending! I won't even stop by any of their tables if Mark is present with his incessant immature whining.
Also would add that last time I saw Cascio, earlier this summer in MWKEE, he had nary a toned coin in his case. I think he has seen the light and has cleaned up his act, much to his credit.
"Wars are really ugly! They're dirty and they're cold. I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole." Mary
The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending
Not having any knowlege to condemn the man, I will defend him, especialy since he defended this country. If I can't offer my thoughts without getting attacked myself, then there is a problem here.
<< <i>The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending
Not having any knowledge to condemn the man, I will defend him, especially since he defended this country. If I can't offer my thoughts without getting attacked myself, then there is a problem here. >>
Without the knowledge, as you put it, it would be better for you to say nothing than to be wrong either way. Personally, I have the knowledge, have seen them perform their coin alterations in person. Nick, Mark and Barry. I do however, have no knowledge of what they are doing today, only what I have seen in the past.
<< <i>In teaching how to detect counterfeits one of the main points is to know what the genuine coin looks like. It would be helpful to have an altered and original comparison. >>
<< <i>The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending
Not having any knowledge to condemn the man, I will defend him, especially since he defended this country. If I can't offer my thoughts without getting attacked myself, then there is a problem here. >>
Without the knowledge, as you put it, it would be better for you to say nothing than to be wrong either way. Personally, I have the knowledge, have seen them perform their coin alterations in person. Nick, Mark and Barry. I do however, have no knowledge of what they are doing today, only what I have seen in the past. >>
Yes ............ we all should have the right to speak our mind without fear of condemnation .
I know Barry ; we called him BLUEBERRY , we developed nicknames for many of the dealers so as not to step on anyone's toes if something was overheard .
I think Barry was nothing more then a front man , a mule for Nick - no doubt he worked some coins ........but Nick was the genius with the skills .
If Nick has stopped doctoring coins , I'm glad to hear it .I have known him for over 20 years and he's a good egg , he just happened to be able to
tone coins like few people ever dreamed was possible . He would be a great choice to head up a group to weed out doctored coins - PCGS should hire him !
and hey , Exposer .........I bet I know you .......... just can't figure out who you be ! You got to be one of three or four people i'm thinking of .........very few got close enough to that inner sanctum to know what you do
<< <i>I have to believe that photography will eventually be able to capture most if not the best works. Then an illustrated book can be produced ?
Maybe there are a few photographers who can do the job now? Or someone else who can "collect" images from willing, even anonymous donors and put one together?
Oops, a little off topic, but then again if the PNG is adopting a new doctoring definition, perhaps they could pursue the creation of a new illustrated book before someone else does? >>
Great idea mrearlygold, an encyclopedia/compendium on coin doctoring!!! Coins could be submitted anonymously to Mark, Todd, Jeremy, messydesk, etc. They could take professional images, and the anonymous submitters could provide details on the tooling/AT perpetrated by the 'Coin Doctors! PCGS/NGC certification displayed?? not sure of the legal issues with that. Just my mind rambling on a Sunday night!!! >>
Thanks. A simple illustrated guide, similar to Jim Halperin's grading book I think would be verry helpful.
<< <i>...... and hey , Exposer .........I bet I know you .......... just can't figure out who you be ! You got to be one of three or four people i'm thinking of .........very few got close enough to that inner sanctum to know what you do >>
You would lose that bet, but I will tell you that I am not Steve Ryan.
Who was the guy who bragged around the bourse floor that he could get a colored buff past the TPG's any time he wanted to? I seem to recall having a knock down drag out fight with one of his 'pards' here once.
"A simple illustrated guide, similar to Jim Halperin's grading book I think would be verry helpful."
Now that is one of the best ideas I have read to date. With digital photography at the level it is at. The ability to self publish. And if the price could be kept on par with the RedBook. I think it would become an invaluable tool. Especially for people that are starting out in the hobby. The first thing that we experienced collectors suggest to new people to the hobby is to purchase a RedBook. My thinking is should we not just show them mintage numbers and prices to get excited about. We could add one more book to that suggestion to help keep them from getting burned and leaving the hobby with bad feelings at getting ripped, probably never to return. It would not only help out those of us with years under our belt. But would help retain future collectors by giving them the tools to help enjoy the hobby with a lesser chance of getting burned.
<< <i>I have to believe that photography will eventually be able to capture most if not the best works. Then an illustrated book can be produced ?
Maybe there are a few photographers who can do the job now? Or someone else who can "collect" images from willing, even anonymous donors and put one together?
Oops, a little off topic, but then again if the PNG is adopting a new doctoring definition, perhaps they could pursue the creation of a new illustrated book before someone else does? >>
Great idea mrearlygold, an encyclopedia/compendium on coin doctoring!!! Coins could be submitted anonymously to Mark, Todd, Jeremy, messydesk, etc. They could take professional images, and the anonymous submitters could provide details on the tooling/AT perpetrated by the 'Coin Doctors! PCGS/NGC certification displayed?? not sure of the legal issues with that. Just my mind rambling on a Sunday night!!! >>
I would be shocked if PCGS didn't already have an excellent set of pictures to produce such a guide, as they are and have for quite some time been in an excellent position to acquire those pictures in a very cost effective manner compared to what anyone else could do. I would also assume that a rough draft of this guide will first be published with a working title along the lines of "Exhibit A" at some point in time. Later, I'd expect to see something of the same printing quality as a Heritage catalog offered at a very reasonable price just so that it could get into as many hands as possible. Maybe PNG will even be proactive and announce that they'll subsidize such a printing.
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<< <i>I have to believe that photography will eventually be able to capture most if not the best works. Then an illustrated book can be produced ?
Maybe there are a few photographers who can do the job now? Or someone else who can "collect" images from willing, even anonymous donors and put one together?
Oops, a little off topic, but then again if the PNG is adopting a new doctoring definition, perhaps they could pursue the creation of a new illustrated book before someone else does? >>
Great idea mrearlygold, an encyclopedia/compendium on coin doctoring!!!
Coins could be submitted anonymously to Mark, Todd, Jeremy, messydesk, etc.
They could take professional images, and the anonymous submitters could provide details on the tooling/AT perpetrated by the 'Coin Doctors!
PCGS/NGC certification displayed?? not sure of the legal issues with that.
Just my mind rambling on a Sunday night!!!
<< <i>I pledge to be more respectful of differing view's and will strive
to not be so judgmental
I'm in. We could all stand to do a little more of that!
Tom
<< <i>after this thread i think I'm gonna go out and buy a bunch of dip and go find the Sonnier collection
Actually, that is not all that far off. Because while the Sonnier stuff was largely the real deal, there ARE/WERE some AT coins in the collection!
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
<< <i>Also, when you start parroting things about Mark (I also convienently forgot his last name) you run the risk of getting yourself in big trouble with the whole community here. I have known him for a long time and never once heard him associated with coin doctoring. Maybe I havn't listened hard enough. Mark is a Chaplain who has served his country in Afghanistan and Iraq and to disparage him publicly on this board without proof is too much.[q/]
I'm not sure you are both talking about the same guy. The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending! I won't even stop by any of their tables if Mark is present with his incessant immature whining.
Also would add that last time I saw Cascio, earlier this summer in MWKEE, he had nary a toned coin in his case. I think he has seen the light and has cleaned up his act, much to his credit.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
Not having any knowlege to condemn the man, I will defend him, especialy since he defended this country. If I can't offer my thoughts without getting attacked myself, then there is a problem here.
<< <i>The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending
Not having any knowledge to condemn the man, I will defend him, especially since he defended this country. If I can't offer my thoughts without getting attacked myself, then there is a problem here. >>
Without the knowledge, as you put it, it would be better for you to say nothing than to be wrong either way.
Personally, I have the knowledge, have seen them perform their coin alterations in person. Nick, Mark and Barry.
I do however, have no knowledge of what they are doing today, only what I have seen in the past.
<< <i>In teaching how to detect counterfeits one of the main points is to know what the genuine coin looks like. It would be helpful to have an altered and original comparison. >>
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<< <i>The Mark I know of that used to hang with Cascio and Berry (the other member of the triumvirate) is not someone I would ever imagine someone with Rick Snow's stature ever defending
Not having any knowledge to condemn the man, I will defend him, especially since he defended this country. If I can't offer my thoughts without getting attacked myself, then there is a problem here. >>
Without the knowledge, as you put it, it would be better for you to say nothing than to be wrong either way.
Personally, I have the knowledge, have seen them perform their coin alterations in person. Nick, Mark and Barry.
I do however, have no knowledge of what they are doing today, only what I have seen in the past. >>
Yes ............ we all should have the right to speak our mind without fear of condemnation .
I know Barry ; we called him BLUEBERRY , we developed nicknames for many of the dealers so as not to step on anyone's toes if something was overheard .
I think Barry was nothing more then a front man , a mule for Nick - no doubt he worked some coins ........but Nick was the genius with the skills .
If Nick has stopped doctoring coins , I'm glad to hear it .I have known him for over 20 years and he's a good egg , he just happened to be able to
tone coins like few people ever dreamed was possible . He would be a great choice to head up a group to weed out doctored coins - PCGS should hire him !
and hey , Exposer .........I bet I know you .......... just can't figure out who you be !
You got to be one of three or four people i'm thinking of .........very few got close enough to that inner sanctum to know what you do
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<< <i>I have to believe that photography will eventually be able to capture most if not the best works. Then an illustrated book can be produced ?
Maybe there are a few photographers who can do the job now? Or someone else who can "collect" images from willing, even anonymous donors and put one together?
Oops, a little off topic, but then again if the PNG is adopting a new doctoring definition, perhaps they could pursue the creation of a new illustrated book before someone else does? >>
Great idea mrearlygold, an encyclopedia/compendium on coin doctoring!!!
Coins could be submitted anonymously to Mark, Todd, Jeremy, messydesk, etc.
They could take professional images, and the anonymous submitters could provide details on the tooling/AT perpetrated by the 'Coin Doctors!
PCGS/NGC certification displayed?? not sure of the legal issues with that.
Just my mind rambling on a Sunday night!!!
Thanks. A simple illustrated guide, similar to Jim Halperin's grading book I think would be verry helpful.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
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<< <i>...... and hey , Exposer .........I bet I know you .......... just can't figure out who you be !
You got to be one of three or four people i'm thinking of .........very few got close enough to that inner sanctum to know what you do
You would lose that bet, but I will tell you that I am not Steve Ryan.
exposer ; .......... you positive I would lose that bet ?
<< <i>that was the feller Nick C. that we been talkin' about .........
exposer ; .......... you positive I would lose that bet ? >>
I say what I mean and mean what I say.
Now that is one of the best ideas I have read to date. With digital photography at the level it is at.
The ability to self publish. And if the price could be kept on par with the RedBook. I think it would become an invaluable
tool. Especially for people that are starting out in the hobby. The first thing that we experienced collectors suggest to
new people to the hobby is to purchase a RedBook. My thinking is should we not just show them mintage numbers and prices to get excited about. We could add one more book to that suggestion to help keep them from getting burned and leaving the hobby with bad feelings at getting ripped, probably never to return.
It would not only help out those of us with years under our belt. But would help retain future collectors by giving them
the tools to help enjoy the hobby with a lesser chance of getting burned.
Just thinking out loud
Terry
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<< <i>I have to believe that photography will eventually be able to capture most if not the best works. Then an illustrated book can be produced ?
Maybe there are a few photographers who can do the job now? Or someone else who can "collect" images from willing, even anonymous donors and put one together?
Oops, a little off topic, but then again if the PNG is adopting a new doctoring definition, perhaps they could pursue the creation of a new illustrated book before someone else does? >>
Great idea mrearlygold, an encyclopedia/compendium on coin doctoring!!!
Coins could be submitted anonymously to Mark, Todd, Jeremy, messydesk, etc.
They could take professional images, and the anonymous submitters could provide details on the tooling/AT perpetrated by the 'Coin Doctors!
PCGS/NGC certification displayed?? not sure of the legal issues with that.
Just my mind rambling on a Sunday night!!!
I would be shocked if PCGS didn't already have an excellent set of pictures to produce such a guide, as they are and have for quite some time been in an excellent position to acquire those pictures in a very cost effective manner compared to what anyone else could do. I would also assume that a rough draft of this guide will first be published with a working title along the lines of "Exhibit A" at some point in time. Later, I'd expect to see something of the same printing quality as a Heritage catalog offered at a very reasonable price just so that it could get into as many hands as possible. Maybe PNG will even be proactive and announce that they'll subsidize such a printing.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
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<< <i>that was the feller Nick C. that we been talkin' about .........
exposer ; .......... you positive I would lose that bet ? >>
I say what I mean and mean what I say. >>
you like Franklin's ? ..I don't think so ..you like proof Shield nickles ?
Whomever you are , very glad your you !
.........the author was years ahead of his time
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