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Poll: Who Collects First Spouse Gold?

GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
News and Interest on First Spouse coins seems intermittent at best. Makes me wonder who here is collecting and WHAT? Bonus topic: speculate on the future success or failure of this series. Thanks!

Edited poll to add "Both" options. Shoulda thought of that.
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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not I.
    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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    ~Wayne
  • drfishdrfish Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭
    Looking forward to the Buchanan's-wonder where the mintage will end up.
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Didn't have an option for collecting both uncs and proofs... image
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Didn't have an option for collecting both uncs and proofs... image >>



    Oops, sorry about that. Will try to put one in.
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Didn't have an option for collecting both uncs and proofs... image >>



    Oops, sorry about that. Will try to put one in. >>



    cool. I already voted, but right now I'm doing the Liberty subset in proof and uncirculated... I started out buying all of them in proof and unc, but found myself gettinng bored with the series when the Anna Harrison coins came out... I figured I'd much rather be putting that $5k-$6k per year into classic U.S. coins image

    Not sure about the long term on this series. Sure there will be some super low mintages in comparison to the mintages of other U.S. commemorative coins, but with around 40 different coins (around 80 counting proofs and uncs) having relatively low mintages there will likely be no single key date spouse coin. Perhaps the upcoming Alice Paul coin who isn't even a spouse and isn't even someone who has anything to do with the corresponding president will be a very low demand resulting in low mintage, but still not sure many care today or that many will care in the future.

    I'm confident the Liberty sub-series will do well in the future though, they are just really cool classic designs and have appeal to many collectors independent of the spouse series. It seems that the Jackson and Van Buren Liberty coins are already going for pretty healthy premiums over melt.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've bought a few of the worthless medals in bronze that have retro designs on them, but I don't want a dime tied up in the gold pieces. The only good thing about them is that they have melt value. Otherwise they are a waste of everyone's time. If gold can be dreck, this is it. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well if these are dreck, then I officially collect dreck:

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    my collection of these begins and ends with one each unc and proof Jefferson Liberty

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    That is one good-lookin' set, Illini420! Thanks for posting the pics!
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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    I would not mind owning a Jackson or Van Buren but they are tough to find.
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  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Well, I have to say there's a surprisingly large interest in them. If you include the Laura and Hillary fans, we're up to about half of the respondents. Better than I would have guessed. These may have more of a future than I would have guessed.

    Thanks for playing, everyone!
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    good bullion play when priced right on secondary market.

    The price of gold is set by faith, or lack of, in the currency it is priced in.

  • SLQSLQ Posts: 311 ✭✭
    After the Buchanan Liberty, I'm done.
  • I am collecting the 4 coin mint state liberty set. They will have their day esp if the Buchanan was/will be short struck at 3,999 coins or less.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I bought the Jefferson Liberty coins. Later I got an Abigail Adams for what was then below melt (now far below melt) with an eBay cashback purchase. To me, it's bullion.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some things had to go since I purchased a coin shop. How else could one pay the taxes, rent, lights, insurances, phone bills, etc ?
    I love the coins, but my mentor said I won't survive as a dealer if I keep loving coins and purchasing them from the mint. When he saw my first spouses in the counter after the "swap", his eyes lit up.

    Q: Guess who bought my first spouse gold coins ?
    A: The dealer who sold me his shop.

    Q: Guess who mentored me ?
    A: The dealer who sold me his shop.

    Now remember kids : the U.S. Mint delivers but you have to step up to the plate.
    Gold has gone up a few hundy since this program started.
  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think collector demand for the Liberty subset will be 2x to 3x the demand for the rest of the series. A closed set (after this year), more affordable, and attractive classic motifs (especially the Jackson).

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I own a bunch of them. I buy them, without pressure, when the price of gold drops and/or the premium to melt is low. I have some raw, some PCGS, and some NGC.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they certainly are nice gold bullion
    LCoopie = Les
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am with the majority. Cheers, RickO
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Wow, nice increase in response after I went to bed! Only 18 more responses and we'll have a nice statistically significant (and easy to calculate) sample size.

    Some interesting trends, too:

    * After a strong hostile response to the series, antipathy seems to have settled around 40%.
    * With 1/3 answering that they actually collect some or all of the series (versus just picking them up now and then), I consider that a pretty big positive for the series.
    * MOST surprising, is the number of Hillary versus Laura fans. Gotta feel sorry for 'ole Laura. Destined for the scrap heap of history? I probably should have added a category for Jackie Kennedy, but was afraid it would pull too many serious answers from the poll.

    Thanks again for answering, everyone. Tell all your friends!
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    * MOST surprising, is the number of Hillary versus Laura fans. Gotta feel sorry for 'ole Laura. Destined for the scrap heap of history? I probably should have added a category for Jackie Kennedy, but was afraid it would pull too many serious answers from the poll.
    >>



    especially considering there will not be a coin for either Hillary or Laura unless their husbands die before 2015 or so. So far, Nancy Reagan will be the final coin (skipping over Mrs. Carter as her husband is still living).
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I collect the Lib. subset in proof and Unc. I may try to hit the occasional very low mintage issue. Of course, this is like trying to time the market as future issues may be lower.
    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>
    * MOST surprising, is the number of Hillary versus Laura fans. Gotta feel sorry for 'ole Laura. Destined for the scrap heap of history? I probably should have added a category for Jackie Kennedy, but was afraid it would pull too many serious answers from the poll.
    >>



    especially considering there will not be a coin for either Hillary or Laura unless their husbands die before 2015 or so. So far, Nancy Reagan will be the final coin (skipping over Mrs. Carter as her husband is still living). >>




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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grits what sample space are you using? I do not see the significance statistically....
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,947 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Grits what sample space are you using? I do not see the significance statistically.... >>



    Agree. This poll is, as I write, at 100 total responses- and considering it is theoretically possible to vote more than once using an alt id, and the people polled are on a board skewed towards those with a collector mindset, the results are imo far from scientific.

    As to the poll question I chose the "pick them up now & then" option... I only own the two Jeffersons personally but would consider keeping the rest of the classic design subset. I wouldn't pay a significant premium for them however. As a series the First Spouses are boring, plain and unimaginative- and barring some extremely tiny mintage rarity, these will remain strictly bullion stuff in this market imo. From a dealer standpoint, things like this are low margin and tie up cash flow. Plus, with rising gold values and high US Mint premiums (as with the high relief 1 oz. saint) these overpriced bullion-related pseudo-collectible issues are also pulling a lot of collector dollars away from the classic coin market. jmho

    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Okay, I'm busted. It's been so long since I took statistics that I have no idea if this has any statistical validity. Maybe it's more like an Exit Poll during an election. Clear trends are evident--but not the final outcome!

    I do find telephoto's comment about pulling money away from Classics interesting. It wouldn't surprise me if this is true. OTOH, my feeling is that these pots of money are often divided. I focus on Moderns largely because I do not know enough about Classics to buy them without getting ripped off and where I'm located, there's little opportunity to learn, browse, or buy in person. I suspect a lot of people feel the same way. If I went out and bought a First Spouse, it's probably not money I would have used to buy a Classic instead. I'd be interested to hear what others say. I also find it exciting to get in on the ground floor of collecting what I think will be some very sought-after series in the future. Still, First Spouses have not caught my imagination or interest to a very high degree.
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Whenever I can pick one up for close to melt, I do so, as they can usually be sold for at least
    $50 over melt if you work at it. Wonder how long that will last. Of course, I also wonder how
    long gold will keep going up, as this makes the initial purchase a pretty easy call.
  • I love 'em. I'm just disappointed they have become so expensive my once dream of having both an unc and proof set is ending. Unless it drops a lot I'll do just the proof. I will complete the liberty set in both though. I love the variety, and I think the designs on many are very good. Financial gain? Who knows? I think it'll be neat to have a very limited complete set. They sure look purdy all lined up.
  • No option in the poll for the bronze medals for us po folks? image
  • GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No option in the poll for the bronze medals for us po folks? image >>



    Sorry, NC, had to draw the line somewhere--though yours might indeed be the wisest option! I've picked up a few of the Mint's bronzes recently and really like 'em. They make great pocket pieces.
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  • BBQnBLUESBBQnBLUES Posts: 1,803
    None of the above.....

    Unless I could buy them at melt !

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