Here's an interesting ingot with assay card...
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It's a Liberty Trade Silver ingot with assay certificate and a photo of the ingot.
It gives the weight & purity and "unconditional guarantee", but also says it was minted & assayed by Engelhard Corporation.
I'm not sure what M.T.B. stands for, it sounds familiar but I cannot remember. There's an address from
30 Rockefeller Plaza in New York.
It gives the weight & purity and "unconditional guarantee", but also says it was minted & assayed by Engelhard Corporation.
I'm not sure what M.T.B. stands for, it sounds familiar but I cannot remember. There's an address from
30 Rockefeller Plaza in New York.
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<< <i>I'm not sure what M.T.B. stands for, it sounds familiar but I cannot remember. There's an address from >>
It's Manfra, Tordella & Brookes, Inc.
It seems that they are much smaller now, from their website at mtbcoins.com. A few years back, it seemed that they had tons of gold/silver coins available in large quantities.
Thanks for posting the pics -- there was speculation recently that the 'E' meant Engelhard, but I doubted it, as JM had made several bars with a nearly identical design, for MTB. But this removes all doubt!
We get our American Eagles from them.
TD
<< <i>I have his 5oz big brother sitting on my desk as I type. >>
Cool, with assay certificate?
So they are not rare I take it?
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I was wondering if it was a "generic" photo on the card... it would be much more work to print them out for
each individual ingot I would imagine.
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<< <i>I was wondering if it was a "generic" photo on the card... >>
If the numbers don't match, then the cert is not of any value. There is no sense in issuing a cert if the serial numers don't match.
Your bar is fine though. The cert would not mean a thing to me if I were buying it.
I took a side by side of a JM & Engelhard versions.
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<< <i>I was wondering if it was a "generic" photo on the card... >>
If the numbers don't match, then the cert is not of any value. There is no sense in issuing a cert if the serial numers don't match.
Your bar is fine though. The cert would not mean a thing to me if I were buying it. >>
FWIW, many bullion coins come with COAs (many with serial numbers on the COA), even though the coins have no serial number. Collectors as a whole fine that the COAs have a value (some of the knockoffs of the Chinese pandas even include a *real* COA -- which I guess proves your point).
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<< <i>I was wondering if it was a "generic" photo on the card... >>
If the numbers don't match, then the cert is not of any value. There is no sense in issuing a cert if the serial numers don't match.
Your bar is fine though. The cert would not mean a thing to me if I were buying it. >>
FWIW, many bullion coins come with COAs (many with serial numbers on the COA), even though the coins have no serial number. Collectors as a whole fine that the COAs have a value (some of the knockoffs of the Chinese pandas even include a *real* COA -- which I guess proves your point). >>
Absolutely never understood this. If the counterfeiter is adept enough to make a "passable" gold or silver coin, then why in the hell would a little piece of paper be any kind of obstacle? Gotta be 20x easier to fake a piece of obscure paper than a solid metal coin.