The Acceptance of Dipping....
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Since this has been bit of a hot topic lately.....When did the dipping of coins first start? I remember as a kid collecting in the 70's and 80's, dipping was quite prevalent. I think it has somewhat fallen out of favor, but is still widely practiced.
Once a coin has been dipped is it forever locked in a cycle of dipping? Meaning, once those white surfaces begin to tone (which they will at some point) and the toning is not desirable, does it again find itself in the bath?
Unfortunately, here is a coin whos days are probably numbered as an original coin. I think as long as the coin is in the hands of a collector and not a flipper, it's probably safe. A collector sees this coin as a nice original AU piece, where as a flipper sees this coin as a possible easy flip on Ebay as a low end MS coin once all that toning is stripped away and the luster is brought out. Don't get me wrong, there are some coins that do benefit from a dip, this just isn't one of them.
Once a coin has been dipped is it forever locked in a cycle of dipping? Meaning, once those white surfaces begin to tone (which they will at some point) and the toning is not desirable, does it again find itself in the bath?
Unfortunately, here is a coin whos days are probably numbered as an original coin. I think as long as the coin is in the hands of a collector and not a flipper, it's probably safe. A collector sees this coin as a nice original AU piece, where as a flipper sees this coin as a possible easy flip on Ebay as a low end MS coin once all that toning is stripped away and the luster is brought out. Don't get me wrong, there are some coins that do benefit from a dip, this just isn't one of them.
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I'm not for it...only dipped a couple of losers in my time...but i think it is pretty common.
Lance.
I remember going to coin shows in the '70's and you could not find any toned coins in the dealer's showcases!! Everything was brilliant white.
Dipping was definitely the popular fad back then.
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Luckily, as the coin market continues to correct itself for the discrepency between original and dipped coins, we see choice original circulated pieces realizing the same prices as dipped circulated coins a grade or two above. For example, your Barber Dime may only grade AU50 as is, but may realize the same price as a dipped AU55.
There is a market for dipped coins and therefore they are market acceptable and most dealers choose to play in this pool. My opinion only. To each is own. MJ
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<< <i>When I was buying commems in the late 60's, it was usually asked if I wanted the coin dipped. Many, many coins were dipped. It was routine! >>
No doubt that was the case, I saw the same thing at shops when going to coin shops with my father in the early 70s. I'm sure many of those have toned over and I suspect there are countless numbers of "collectors" who have them, who would swear to their originality.
<< <i>Another unfortunate candidate for the dippers, that is why I must keep it in order to preserve it.....btw I love it....so original it isn't funny......dark as the night:
got a similarly dark one:
This came back from PCGS as XF45 after trying this method . The cheek looked nearly identical to the one you've posted, reliccoins.
I don't prefer dipping, but there are safe alternatives for certain coins with certain issues. Greasy, grimey stuff is a simple fix.
<< <i>Anyone have any pre and post dipping pics of coins for reference? >>
Sure. Here's one. As I said, I do not like dipping and I've only done it in a couple of extreme cases.
The before picture show the coin a little lighter than it actually was. It was a very, very dark brown. This was a gentle 3-second dip. I didn't want to overdo it. I just wanted to see the coin again. It was well rinsed with soft water, then distilled, and air-dried.
Lance.
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<< <i>Anyone have any pre and post dipping pics of coins for reference? >>
Sure. Here's one. As I said, I do not like dipping and I've only done it in a couple of extreme cases.
The before picture show the coin a little lighter than it actually was. It was a very, very dark brown. This was a gentle 3-second dip. I didn't want to overdo it. I just wanted to see the coin again. It was well rinsed with soft water, then distilled, and air-dried.
Lance.
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Of course no one really knows. But I'd guess that a very small minority of 200 year old coins have original surfaces.
Lance.
I knew what he wanted. To the schlock bag I went. Those dipped out ugly VF coins that I never pay more than $10 or $12 for. But if he wants to buy them for $17 and it's what he likes to collect, what is a dealer to do ? If I aspire to be a full service dealer, then I have to have a few on hand. I sure don't need to "make them that way".
<< <i>Too bad dipping will not strip away the delusions so many have about their coins being original and NT...
Ditto.
But I think this is why so many are looking for ( and finding ) those nice "original" toned examples.
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<< <i>Hey Ricko strip this.....cheers
You......don't really know for sure.
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<< <i>Another unfortunate candidate for the dippers, that is why I must keep it in order to preserve it.....btw I love it....so original it isn't funny......dark as the night:
got a similarly dark one:
Who would have the heart to dip these? Awesome, beautiful coins!
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<< <i>Another unfortunate candidate for the dippers, that is why I must keep it in order to preserve it.....btw I love it....so original it isn't funny......dark as the night:
So, what's your guess in PCGS's eye's for 'eye appeal'. To me it's at a minimum 'positive'. But then again I like the look. Anyone who want's to dip it should have their head examined.
It is an original, undipped PCGS AU-50 with muted, subdued luster, but in my opinion, perfect for the grade. No, it is not bright and flashy, but why does it have to be?
<< <i>Too bad dipping will not strip away the delusions so many have about their coins being original and NT...
So it's just easier to throw away the baby with the bath water I guess. That's always seem to be the dippers mantra. All the best. MJ
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<< <i>There is really nothing to be "sorry"about
I'm a Capped Bust Half collector and I con't think the bottom with bring more money and will be more disirable to the average CBH collector.
Everyone seems to love those brown, grey, and splotchy toned coins as long as they don't own them.
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<< <i>Everyone seems to love those brown, grey, and splotchy toned coins as long as they don't own them. >>
Bingo! Some folks need a reality check. Dealers have to dip the ugly, splotchy toned coins because no one will buy them otherwise.
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<< <i>Anyone have any pre and post dipping pics of coins for reference? >>
Sure. Here's one. As I said, I do not like dipping and I've only done it in a couple of extreme cases.
The before picture show the coin a little lighter than it actually was. It was a very, very dark brown. This was a gentle 3-second dip. I didn't want to overdo it. I just wanted to see the coin again. It was well rinsed with soft water, then distilled, and air-dried.
Lance.
Perhaps it's just me, but I think a 177 year old coin should have some patina. I would be more inclined to purchase the "before" coin rather than the "after". But like I said, this is my preference... Leo
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<< <i>Anyone have any pre and post dipping pics of coins for reference? >>
Sure. Here's one. As I said, I do not like dipping and I've only done it in a couple of extreme cases.
The before picture show the coin a little lighter than it actually was. It was a very, very dark brown. This was a gentle 3-second dip. I didn't want to overdo it. I just wanted to see the coin again. It was well rinsed with soft water, then distilled, and air-dried.
Lance.
Perhaps it's just me, but I think a 177 year old coin should have some patina. I would be more inclined to purchase the "before" coin rather than the "after". But like I said, this is my preference... Leo >>