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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭
    Will Boy Scouts be able to afford these with aftermarket price increases if they occur. I guess their parents will be buying them. I was a boy scout and have no interest in them.
  • SLQSLQ Posts: 311 ✭✭


    << <i>According to my Mint account online, my order (Proofs and Uncs) was shipped today.

    However, according to an email I got from the Mint yesterday, my Uncs will ship on June 17.

    According to the USPS, the tracking number the Mint gave me doesn't exist.

    Not sure what to believe at this point! I'll just wait and see. . . . . >>



    Try tracking it through FedEx. They take the package most of the way, then hand it over to the local Post Office.
  • Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Will Boy Scouts be able to afford these with aftermarket price increases if they occur. I guess their parents will be buying them. I was a boy scout and have no interest in them. >>



    I don't think the younger scouts (Cub and younger Boy Scouts) will be the old scouts can. If they will want to buy one, who know. As a former leader and father of two Eagle Scouts, I will be giving them both a PR & UNC coin. If they have boys who go through the program, they will also get a set. I think that is where the demand will be. Take the same age group and ask if they are interested in buying a silver eagle or any coin for that matter. I bet they will say know. But, receive one as a gift (like I did with my first 1922 peace dollar) and chances are, they will have it for a life time. I still have that peace dollar - my aunt got it in Vegas when they were in use down there.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,065 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>According to my Mint account online, my order (Proofs and Uncs) was shipped today.

    However, according to an email I got from the Mint yesterday, my Uncs will ship on June 17.

    According to the USPS, the tracking number the Mint gave me doesn't exist.

    Not sure what to believe at this point! I'll just wait and see. . . . . >>




    Lots of scenarios are possible.

    I see a post from 4/6 where you say you "loaded up." I assume the total was over $300 and it will automagically go next day air by UPS.

    It is very likely the "Unc. on 6/17" e-mail yesterday was a system generated one sent to you just because yours hadn't shipped that day and they wanted to give themselves plenty of time to ship.

    Then it they entered a tracking number the next day for the shipment anticipating it shipping.

    Then it gets fuzzy. (historically, there are a few scenarios with the most likely one being they are shipped)

    I can tell you that these tracking numbers from UPS often do not work until later in the evening. Try about 10pm Eastern. (sometimes they mark it shipped, but it doesn't go out until the next day)
    to give you an idea if they have everything in the box, both my shipments of "10 and 10" were 4.40 pounds each. I'll let you do the math from there.


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    To combine posts,

    I returned ALL of the first 10 and 10, and from the second set: 7 of the Proofs and 9 of the uncirc. Actually, the 7 were pretty good. I just wanted to cherry pick. I did keep 1 that was marked up a little only because it has a slight strike through on the reverse. On the other hand, it was rough to cherry pick the 10 Unc. and the 9 were worthy returns due to contact marks. I was wondering if I'd even find an acceptable one. I'm glad I finally did.



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  • DuPapaDuPapa Posts: 495 ✭✭
    I sent back 3 of 5 proofs and 5 of 5 Uncs

    Order Date: 4/08/10 - re-ordered 3 proofs and 5 Uncs

    email from the Mint on 4/15 said: "Exp Ship: 6/17/10"

    Date Shipped: 4/16/10

    I hope they're not somebodys rejects... I have a feeling thet are..



  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I sent back 3 of 5 proofs and 5 of 5 Uncs

    Order Date: 4/08/10 - re-ordered 3 proofs and 5 Uncs

    email from the Mint on 4/15 said: "Exp Ship: 6/17/10"

    Date Shipped: 4/16/10

    I hope they're not somebodys rejects... I have a feeling thet are.. >>



    I also think so. With so many being returned, I think if you order an UNC and receive it before 6/17 you are receiving someone else s return. I also think they decided how many UNC they will be selling and are having them minted for the 6/17 date.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,065 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>MsM: the Na'vi look today is very contemporary -- nice!

    I predict a quicker sellout than 7 weeks, unless you mean from the start of sales. A small spike can do it.

    I'm with a previous post, the UNC is toast with a 6/17 ship date. >>




    It is lowbrow "Avatar" humor


    The 7 weeks is from first date of sales. That would be somewhere during the week of May 9 - May 16., but it is still early and the trend only has 3 data points.
    (I think those who have ordered by now will be filled.... do not be so worried about the 6/17 expected ship date. I think they are padding it to give themselves some breathing room.)
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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    Well, my Uncs which were backordered until Jun just shipped.......
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  • Just got 8 proofs and 6 uncircs.

    6 of the proofs look great as opposed to 1 of the uncircs. No major issues but the 2 pf's and 5 uncirc's are not 70's
  • ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY.......
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  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭✭
    A sell-out only a couple weeks away? Possibly.....Boy Scouts Silver Dollars Nearing Sell Out, Prices Rise April 21st




    << <i>In a promising signal that the 2010 Boy Scouts of America Centennial Silver Dollars are headed for a sell out sooner versus later, new weekly U.S. Mint sales figures show the commemoratives almost equaling their prior performance with another 22,261 sold.

    Since their release on March 23, 2010, 312,653, or 89.3 percent, of the maximum 350,000 have been snapped up as of Sunday, April 18.

    Until the latest round of numbers were released, progressive weekly sales had been halving. With that trend broken, the coins could sell out in less than two weeks if the current pace is maintained instead of many months ahead as it was beginning to appear.


    Boy Scouts Coins Weekly Sales Totals

    March 28 - 214,672

    April 4 - 51,844

    April 11 - 23,875

    April 18 - 22,261


    46,136 BSA coins have been purchased during the latest two week sales window. There are 37,347 remaining.

    Broken out between options, the proof is twice as popular than the uncirculated with respective individual sales of 211,333 and 101,320.

    As a reminder, prices for the coins will rise after 5:00 p.m. ET on Wednesday, April 21. The current introductory pricing is $33.95 for the uncirculated coins and $39.95 for the proof coins. Prices will increase to $35.95 and $43.95. >>

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My box of 10 Unc's arrived yesterday -- ordered on 4/13 with a backorder delivery date of 6/17. Looks like they are still moving, but probably returns.

    Delivery dates for both coins are now 6/17 on the website. The end is near....
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the sales this past week have pulled the trendline back only a miniscule amount and it is still showing an almost week 7 sellout.
    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • 2010 Boy Scouts of America Centennial Silver Dollar



    ................old sales...new sales..gain...%increase
    Mintage
    Proof ........ 196,400 211,333 14,933 7.60% .....312,653 of 350,000
    Uncirculated 93,992 101,320 ..7,328 .7.80%
  • OLCOLC Posts: 406 ✭✭✭
    Uncirculated version now showing up on mint website as being on waiting list only.
  • DuPapaDuPapa Posts: 495 ✭✭

    With only a $10.00 surcharge The Boy Scouts of America needed to have a mintage of 1.85 million to pay the
    $18.5 Million just awarded in an Abuse Case brought by a man who was sexually abused by an assistant troop leader in the early 1980s.

    I hope it doesn't bankrupt the organization... we need scouts to be able to afford these commems.



  • << <i>Uncirculated version now showing up on mint website as being on waiting list only. >>



    Yup....so the uncirc. total mintage will be a tad over 100k

    Waiting List Notice: The number of orders we have taken meets the maximum limit for the 2010 Boy Scouts of America Centennial Uncirculated Silver Dollar. You may still place an order for this product, which will go on a waiting list. If a product becomes available due to an order cancellation, we will fulfill orders from the waiting list on a first-come, first-serve basis. We cannot provide information about your position on the waiting list.
  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭
    It looks like a less than five week sell out at this point. I also think the Proofs are sold out and they are shipping returns out to new orders just like when the UNC went to the 6/17 ship date. Regards Mike
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY....... >>



    Congratulations, but that should not come as a surprise. NGC probably has graded more 70's than 69's & their resale price is reflected in the secondary market.

    In comparison, PCGS % for the unc. graded 70 ... is 33%
    for the proofs......................25%

    again, the resale price is reflected in the secondary market.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."


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    << <i>ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY....... >>



    Congratulations, but that should not come as a surprise. NGC probably has graded more 70's than 69's & their resale price is reflected in the secondary market.

    In comparison, PCGS % for the unc. graded 70 ... is 33%
    for the proofs......................25%

    again, the resale price is reflected in the secondary market. >>



    Actually meaningless data.... Depends on how many submissions were cherry picked and sent in vs. bulk submissions which would lower the % of 70's

    If I sent in 20 random coins to NGC I would expect less 70's than if I cherry picked 20 and sent to PCGS
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY....... >>



    Congratulations, but that should not come as a surprise. NGC probably has graded more 70's than 69's & their resale price is reflected in the secondary market.

    In comparison, PCGS % for the unc. graded 70 ... is 33%
    for the proofs......................25%

    again, the resale price is reflected in the secondary market. >>



    Actually meaningless data.... Depends on how many submissions were cherry picked and sent in vs. bulk submissions which would lower the % of 70's

    If I sent in 20 random coins to NGC I would expect less 70's than if I cherry picked 20 and sent to PCGS >>



    Hope you can convince the secondary market with the above statement. It's so "meaningless" that PCGS graded 70's are selling for 2 to 3 x the amount than NGC 70's
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • "Hope you can convince the secondary market with the above statement. It's so "meaningless" that PCGS graded 70's are selling for 2 to 3 x the amount than NGC 70's"

    Collectors will pay a premium for perceived rarity. That's the way it is. Just saying that the numbers can be skewed by whether a random group of coins are sent in vs. a cherrypicked group of coins.

    Ex.

    10,000 BSA Commem's are sent in to TPG "A" direct from the Mint and get 3000 70's

    A large BSA order is looked over and culled and 10,000 of the best coins are sent to TPG "B" and get 7000 70's

    Would TPG "A" 70's be worth more because there are less of them??? (perceived rarity) or are there less 70's because the obvious non-70's were removed ??

    Just sayin' the pop #'s are not reliable for moderns due to bulk submissions vs. cherrypicking

  • aficionadoaficionado Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY....... >>



    Congratulations, but that should not come as a surprise. NGC probably has graded more 70's than 69's & their resale price is reflected in the secondary market.

    In comparison, PCGS % for the unc. graded 70 ... is 33%
    for the proofs......................25%

    again, the resale price is reflected in the secondary market. >>



    PCGS has GREATER than 50% grading MS70.

    315 MS70 out of 576 - 54%

    Proofs are less

    321 PR70 out of 918 - 35%


    There will be no shortage of 70's.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY....... >>



    Congratulations, but that should not come as a surprise. NGC probably has graded more 70's than 69's & their resale price is reflected in the secondary market.

    In comparison, PCGS % for the unc. graded 70 ... is 33%
    for the proofs......................25%

    again, the resale price is reflected in the secondary market. >>



    PCGS has GREATER than 50% grading MS70.

    315 MS70 out of 576 - 54%

    Proofs are less

    321 PR70 out of 918 - 35%


    There will be no shortage of 70's. >>



    Not sure where you got your figures from ... but the latest pop report indicates.

    315 MS70 out of 894 - 35%
    321 PR70 out of 1275 - 25%

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OLCOLC Posts: 406 ✭✭✭
    What makes you think that bulk submissions are not cherry picked? At $10 a pop I sure as heck am going to send in my best 100.
  • aficionadoaficionado Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>ISENT 6 OF 10 UNC's TO ngc ALL 6 CAME BACK 70's.....I SOLD THE OTHER FOUR TO FAMILY....... >>



    Congratulations, but that should not come as a surprise. NGC probably has graded more 70's than 69's & their resale price is reflected in the secondary market.

    In comparison, PCGS % for the unc. graded 70 ... is 33%
    for the proofs......................25%

    again, the resale price is reflected in the secondary market. >>



    PCGS has GREATER than 50% grading MS70.

    315 MS70 out of 576 - 54%

    Proofs are less

    321 PR70 out of 918 - 35%


    There will be no shortage of 70's. >>



    Not sure where you got your figures from ... but the latest pop report indicates.

    315 MS70 out of 894 - 35%
    321 PR70 out of 1275 - 25% >>



    My mistake, your right. I needed to add the counts together, duh.

    So, said a different way:

    315 - MS70
    576 - MS69

    Proofs

    321 - PR70
    918 - PR69


  • Link about the Uncirc's being sold out today...

    linky
  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034
    BSoA haven't been doing themselves any favors lately. $18.5M could buy a lot of commems with a ton of money to spare.
    imageRIP
  • Less than 20k left....94.5 % sold

    linky
  • levinlllevinll Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭
    Just called the US mint for an unrelated item and before I spoke to an operator the automated voice system said the the unc. were no longer available.
  • Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭


    << <i>BSoA haven't been doing themselves any favors lately. $18.5M could buy a lot of commems with a ton of money to spare. >>



    And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China. Are you talking about a Jury award because some weirdo snuck into the ranks of BSA, just like every other organization in the US? I don't think this will have any effect on the coin what so ever.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    2010 Boy Scouts Silver Dollars Hit 94.5% Maximum ...

    Article

    There are less than 20,000 of the 2010 Boy Scouts of America Centennial Silver Dollars left, the United States Mint revealed in its latest sales report Tuesday morning. (4/27/10)
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking like a sell out now...I ordered four UNCS and Proofs a few weeks ago...not sure if they are worth sending in to PCGS or if I should just sell the sets raw once they are officially sold out. Any thoughts?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ooops.

    ok, so there is a waiting list for the Unc. imageimage


    We just received week five figures.
    They pulled the sell out back a little to a bit more than halfway between week 6 and week 7
    and we are in Week 6 sales right now.


    The predicted sell out is coming shortly.

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  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034


    << <i>

    << <i>BSoA haven't been doing themselves any favors lately. $18.5M could buy a lot of commems with a ton of money to spare. >>



    And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China. Are you talking about a Jury award because some weirdo snuck into the ranks of BSA, just like every other organization in the US? I don't think this will have any effect on the coin what so ever. >>



    Assuming that these sell out, it will not have been a quick sell out. Anyone in the coin world who wanted one has had the opportunity to order. If this coin is to go up in value it will need interest from people outside of the hobby. Another black eye on the face of the BSoA won't help the sales of this unattractive commemorative.
    imageRIP
  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034
    And for those that are prospecting these commems, I would think that you would want these to not sell out. Less sold mean less on the market since the U.S. Mint won't be selling them for years to come. Unlike the Lincoln commems, these are not meant to be flipped right away.
    imageRIP
  • TomohawkTomohawk Posts: 667 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>BSoA haven't been doing themselves any favors lately. $18.5M could buy a lot of commems with a ton of money to spare. >>



    And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China. Are you talking about a Jury award because some weirdo snuck into the ranks of BSA, just like every other organization in the US? I don't think this will have any effect on the coin what so ever. >>



    Assuming that these sell out, it will not have been a quick sell out. Anyone in the coin world who wanted one has had the opportunity to order. If this coin is to go up in value it will need interest from people outside of the hobby. Another black eye on the face of the BSoA won't help the sales of this unattractive commemorative. >>



    My take on that issue: It will only further polarize the group in people's eyes...those who hate it, will hate it more, those who support it, will support it more...so I object to the straight-line black-eye comment; SOME will think it's a black eye, others will think it's a blatant attack and rah-rah the group.

    As far as value of the coin: Interest in things BSoA will need to rise, and that judgment only fuels the visibility...and IMHO increase the demand for the coins. Not that I'm rushing out to buy 100's of these or anything...
    ASE Addict...but oh so poor!
  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plop one of these in front of a scout or a master that doesn't collect. See if they ask about getting one....or the one you just put in their hands. That's my plan in the next week or so.

    Boss up and over from me is a huge scout man, eagle and master, but clueless on coins and commems. If I put a proof and unc on his desk to look at, he'd probably want them.
  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034
    Excellent point, Tomohawk. It may indeed be a case of any publicity is good publicity.
    imageRIP
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And for those that are prospecting these commems, I would think that you would want these to not sell out. Less sold mean less on the market since the U.S. Mint won't be selling them for years to come. Unlike the Lincoln commems, these are not meant to be flipped right away. >>



    These things were WAY over what would be considered a "hard to get" modern commem dollar. Look at the 1996 Unc commems. Those are hard to get. They also have mintages that were less than 1/10th of the PROOF population of the BSoA coins.

    These are interesting, and if enough people in scouting take an interest, these might one day be semi rare, but I'm not holding out hope for a $400 coin. But I have mine, so that's all that matters.


  • << <i>

    These are interesting, and if enough people in scouting take an interest, these might one day be semi rare, but I'm not holding out hope for a $400 coin. But I have mine, so that's all that matters. >>



    I think what you meant to say is that, although these coins will never be rare, potential demand may increase their value. image


  • << <i>And for those that are prospecting these commems, I would think that you would want these to not sell out. Less sold mean less on the market since the U.S. Mint won't be selling them for years to come. Unlike the Lincoln commems, these are not meant to be flipped right away. >>



    I think less sold = less interest and a sellout means more interest and potential future demand. There has been less than 200k of the Veterans coins minted (pf + unc) and that has been available for 2 months.

    Do you think that will be a more valuable issue despite the minimal interest?

    I think not....
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still time to load up on the proof scout commems.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see the UNCs on the Mint site anymore...does this mean they are officially sold out?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup - the UNC has been formally sold out for many days. Proof will be following soon...
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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
    eBay sales are very weak for a sellout.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    eBay sales were better for the Lincoln's back then, but not at the levels (plural, since closes seem to be spread over a $10 range) they are at now.

    Sales are slow on eBay.


    However, this past week was week 6, this coming week is week 7. Projections are pointing towards a sell-out this coming week.

    I'm not stockpiling them for flipping. I have 3 and 1 (see earlier posts) So, I'm not trying to pump them. I'm just offering a projection.

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  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797

    Anybody know the mint stats for this week?
  • 96.7% sold...

    Boy Scouts
  • aficionadoaficionado Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭
    300

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