Here's a picture of a 1990 Upper Deck Mike Witt Black Box Error
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<< <i>Is this the same card that sold on Ebay last year? Anyone remember the final price on that one? >>
Yes it is. I think it was over $800?? Donovan probably knows.
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<< <i>Is this the same card that sold on Ebay last year? Anyone remember the final price on that one? >>
Yes it is - Sold for $616
<< <i>Maybe Witt's unbuttoned pants are being hidden by the black box? >>
lol They ruined a good card then.
Edit - Yes it did. : )
<< <i>It was sold for around $600-$700, I believe.
Edit - Yes it did. : ) >>
To you??
<< <i>Maybe Witt's unbuttoned pants are being hidden by the black box? >>
Maybe Witt just liked to shoot from the hip...like this guy
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<< <i>It was sold for around $600-$700, I believe.
Edit - Yes it did. : ) >>
To you?? >>
No, I just noticed that someone posted the actual sell price. I wonder which packs these were in? Obviously early packs. That would be a sweet card to pull out of a pack now.
<< <i>I was wondering if they were only in the northeast like some of the other errors, or if it was out nationally for a little bit. >>
Which 1990 Upper Deck were only in the North East?
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If they were pulled by hand, and considering how aware the CEOs of UD were about error card values, I'm willing to bet a bunch of those guys have a copy or two. Not to mention the line workers, who probably helped themselves to some of them as well.
What I find really amazing about this variation, is that no one offers them for sale today, you never hear of anyone pulling one from a pack, the average dealer doesn't even know they exist and there's little to no information available on them out there. In fact, it seems like there was more information on them back then than now, in the age of instant research/communication via the internet.
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<< <i>You know who's probably sitting on a cache of them? McWilliam.
If they were pulled by hand, and considering how aware the CEOs of UD were about error card values, I'm willing to bet a bunch of those guys have a copy or two. Not to mention the line workers, who probably helped themselves to some of them as well.
What I find really amazing about this variation, is that no one offers them for sale today, you never hear of anyone pulling one from a pack, the average dealer doesn't even know they exist and there's little to no information available on them out there. In fact, it seems like there was more information on them back then than now, in the age of instant research/communication via the internet. >>
This is precisely why I find it so interesting.
When was the black box added?
Wouldn't it have to have been added to an uncovered card? Does this mean that sheets exist/existed that had a "full-frontal" Witt #702?
Really, why would upper deck design their sheet layout to include a card meant to be pulled from production? Unless it was intended to be pulled from the beginning, they wouldn't. Meaning that at one time a Witt #702 without black box should've been printed. How does the checklist #800 with him listed affect this?
Collecting Robin Ventura and Matt Luke.
Lets see what I can dig up.
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<< <i>You know who's probably sitting on a cache of them? McWilliam.
If they were pulled by hand, and considering how aware the CEOs of UD were about error card values, I'm willing to bet a bunch of those guys have a copy or two. Not to mention the line workers, who probably helped themselves to some of them as well.
What I find really amazing about this variation, is that no one offers them for sale today, you never hear of anyone pulling one from a pack, the average dealer doesn't even know they exist and there's little to no information available on them out there. In fact, it seems like there was more information on them back then than now, in the age of instant research/communication via the internet. >>
This is precisely why I find it so interesting.
If they were to do something intentional wouldn't have been a Griffey , Mcgwire or someone who was popular at the time?
Not Mike Witt.
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<< <i>You know who's probably sitting on a cache of them? McWilliam.
If they were pulled by hand, and considering how aware the CEOs of UD were about error card values, I'm willing to bet a bunch of those guys have a copy or two. Not to mention the line workers, who probably helped themselves to some of them as well.
What I find really amazing about this variation, is that no one offers them for sale today, you never hear of anyone pulling one from a pack, the average dealer doesn't even know they exist and there's little to no information available on them out there. In fact, it seems like there was more information on them back then than now, in the age of instant research/communication via the internet. >>
This is precisely why I find it so interesting.
If they were to do something intentional wouldn't have been a Griffey , Mcgwire or someone who was popular at the time?
Not Mike Witt. >>
Because none of those guys had any business being in the "traded" set. Dave Winfield, Nolan Ryan, Dave Justice, Sandy Alomar were the popular names in the hi# set at the time of it's release (how they missed Frank Thomas is unknown) who had reason to be in the set and if those guys "sold" the set, then they couldn't remove them from it, especially considering how weak of a group that already is.
I think it would have to be someone of lower caliber to not affect the sales of the set. Lower caliber but, say from a big market team? Who knows what the criteria was to pull Witt, but as someone who fondly remembers that season and that product at the time of its release, I can say for sure that the Expos rookies were not a big deal at that point (maybe DeShields could be considered an exception). Scott Erickson, Travis Fryman, Frank Thomas or even a Phillies card of Dale Murphy would've made more logical last-minute "must-include" replacements.
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<< <i>A personal investigation into this matter has begun and I do live in the NorthEast.
Lets see what I can dig up. >>
Results?
Oh I'm in Des Moines, so that shoots your NE theory
<< <i>I have one...it's going on e-bay next week.
Oh I'm in Des Moines, so that shoot's your NE theory
Post the link when it goes up!
Been in a safe for 20 years.
Probably gonna start in $3-400 range. Any opinions/comments are welcomed.
I've been very intrigued by this card for many years, but at the same time, I have no attachment to it at all.
<< <i>Has a "dinged" corner. Got it in a pack and every card had the same "ding".
Been in a safe for 20 years.
Probably gonna start in $3-400 range. Any opinions/comments are welcomed.
I've been very intrigued by this card for many years, but at the same time, I have no attachment to it at all. >>
So, uh...what happened?
Collecting Robin Ventura and Matt Luke.
Anyone with solid info on the card is encouraged to add comments. Enjoy!
Collecting Robin Ventura and Matt Luke.
Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
- uncut
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Quality scan of the black box as well.
Wish I could borrow the card for about 5 minutes and check it out under the stereoscope and know exactly what is obstructed.
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Doesn't look to be anything special about what is covered by the black box, likely was just some sort of mark to identify for destruction.
The auction mentions that checklist card #800 has the mark as well, likely was below the Witt on the uncut sheet.
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Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
- uncut
Positive Transactions - tennesseebanker, Ahmanfan, Donruss, Colebear, CDsNuts, rbdjr1, Downtown1974, yankeeno7, drewsef, mnolan, mrbud60, msassin, RipublicaninMass, AkbarClone, rustywilly, lsutigers1973, julen23 and nam812, plus many others...
<< <i>I see that Mr. Olbermann recently paid $1,300 for one that was sheet-cut. >>
So what's the story behind the Scott Ruskin? Is the full P variation only associated with the Mike Witt Black Box sheets?
<< <i>Thanks for bumping this thread. It's interesting to see how prices can fluctuate over time. That's quite the fluctuation! >>
The same card w/ same description 'sold' for more than double in an August auction (return/cancel, not sure), another sold in Sept on BIN for over triple. If I recall correctly, there were a couple others over the summer in the $350-375 range. I wasn't expecting this one to go so cheap or I would have picked it up.