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There's a fine line between hard core collecting and insanity...

Help me decide on which side I fall!

As most of you know, I collect coins of the Central American Republic. What most of you probably don't realize is that I collect these by die variety, die state and edge type. And on top of that, I've also bought some original dies to go with the collection. So far, I hope you'll all agree that I'm still on the "hard core" side of the line, even if just barely.

But here's where it gets bad. Today, I received the next Ponterio catalog, which includes a number of CAR dies, and one of them is of a date/denomination for which I already have a die. At first thought, I figured that I don't need a duplicate. But then I realized that the Ponterio die must (by definition) be a different die variety than the one I already have. So now I'm thinking I need the damned thing.

Am I crazy???
Andy Lustig

Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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  • WWWWWW Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭
    Am I crazy???
    No, you are eccentric. image

  • RobPRobP Posts: 483 ✭✭


    << <i>Am I crazy???
    No, you are eccentric. image >>



    As are both of me. image
  • JZraritiesJZrarities Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Help me decide on which side I fall! >>



    Insanity.



    << <i>Am I crazy??? >>



    YES.


    Just buy it.
    You ARE the well known expert, and we wouldn't think less of you.
    Even when we read your column....

    (but only if you buy it)
  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    Am I crazy???

    Yes, but wouldn't the World be a boring place if everybody was "Normal"?

    I would love to see pictures of your original dies if you have any you could share?

  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    I would say you have gently eased across the line, but that's ok Andy, we still like you.
  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭
    Buy the damn die already.

    We all know that you're insane anyway, we just don't say it in public, so what difference does it make? image
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  • Hi MrEureka

    Mad a lunatic u r normal. I just asked a British dealer to send me another super quality Mary Groat, I have one, now I can see an obverse and reverse at the same time. I will go bancrupt soon as I do not know when to stop buying and I do not sell anything image

    With milled I used to collect all the same date and just collect because it was a different die - that is now finished

    If u feel u are losing your sanity we can sit with my freind on a park bench on the embankment in london, eat a sandwich, have a cup of tea and chat about our coins and wonde why we cannot find a place to sleep for the night from the lack of money

    j
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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭
    You'd be crazy not to get it (and lots more)!

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  • My kinda guy (said with with a very masculine tone)!

    Just do it! image
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • This is probably a comment on my own level of (in)sanity, but when you're focusing on a series and are then able to acquire the dies, I see that as icing on the cake.

    I say buy 'em.
  • StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you don't buy it you will be kicking yourself later. This is not something you can get ahold of easily after all...

    I would not label this insanity. Hard core-yep. Obsessive-yep. Compulsive even--maybe. Nerdly--definitely. Cool--absolutely. And who said nerdly couldn't be cool????


    Cathy



  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭
    Tune in tomorrow when Aki's owner admits he's descended from Julius Popper, and owns a manse in Tierra del Fuego. image
  • ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭
    I guess that one would of said that Harry Bass was a "Crazy man" back in the day! If you have the expendable income to focus on something that you love, I feel that it would be foolish NOT to listen to your intuitions! Dammit man, get a grip of yourself! image -Dan
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buy it- have fun-

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭
    I hope 200 years from now your collection remains intact, in whole and you get the credit you deserve for being such a positive force for the hobby by accumulating such an impressive collection!
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's a fine line between (hard core) collecting and insanity... >>


    Indeed.

    Just recently, I was thinking of that quote, and trying to remember the provenance of it. Anybody know? I suppose I should Google it.

    Sounds like something Mark Twain would've said. I believe its author was one of those people who was alive around the turn of the last century, before the "hardcore" adjective was coined. Maybe it was somebody in the art world. It cropped again in my reading recently-- though I've been doing so much of that lately, I can't remember who's supposed to have said it. (The quote as I most recently remember reading it: "There is a fine line between collecting and mental illness".)

    Then again, maybe it was in John Fowles' The Collector, which was one of my reads of the last fortnight or so. (The book makes the premise of that fine line abundantly clear).

    It's oh-so true, regardless of the author or the era.

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  • BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭
    You'd only be crazy if you carried on a two-way conversation with your collection.
    Billy Kingsley ANA R-3146356 Cardboard History // Numismatic History


  • << <i>There's a fine line between hard core collecting and insanity... >>


    There's a line???
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your asking the wrong person!
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the new "die variety".


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    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • The die is AWSOME

    SwK
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    A collection uploaded on www.petitioncrown.com is a fifty- year love affair with beautiful British coins, medals and Roman brass
  • the dies weren't round back then?

    so it does not look like they used a collar then


    when did they put that fancy stuff on the edge (the boxes and holes and lines)?

    after striking? or before?


    PS - if you are truly concerned about the difference between passionate collector and OCD insane, they have doctors that will take your money and ask you how you feel about it
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so it does not look like they used a collar then

    Correct.


    when did they put that fancy stuff on the edge (the boxes and holes and lines)?

    The edge device was probably applied before the coins were struck.

    Here's a picture of a blank planchet for a Peruvian 8 Reales, circa 1826. It has the complete edge device.

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    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You'd only be crazy if you carried on a two-way conversation with your collection.

    Uh oh...
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • Andy, you da MAN!
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alright, who outbid me on the 1836 2R die? image

    Anyway, I got all of the other ones. I guess that's OK. image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • Let me at him. I'll tear him from limb to limb! image
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a great thread I can relate too ! 🤓

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • 1984worldcoins1984worldcoins Posts: 595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would buy it. That would mean I am crazy? What?! Nooo...

    Coinsof1984@martinb6830 on twitter

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m still waiting to see the pic of that die!

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 737 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 14, 2023 2:30AM

    @MrEureka said:
    Help me decide on which side I fall!

    As most of you know, I collect coins of the Central American Republic. What most of you probably don't realize is that I collect these by die variety, die state and edge type. And on top of that, I've also bought some original dies to go with the collection. So far, I hope you'll all agree that I'm still on the "hard core" side of the line, even if just barely.

    But here's where it gets bad. Today, I received the next Ponterio catalog, which includes a number of CAR dies, and one of them is of a date/denomination for which I already have a die. At first thought, I figured that I don't need a duplicate. But then I realized that the Ponterio die must (by definition) be a different die variety than the one I already have. So now I'm thinking I need the damned thing.

    Am I crazy???

    obviously you need both

    edit... don't overthink it

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have gone a little crazy with coinage of King George III, but I have vowed not to get involved, beyond the surface, with Condor tokens. What is “the surface?” They include two pieces I had before that are in DeWitt’s political token book, the Druid design that was supposed the first, and a four “post Condor” pieces in copper or silver.

    All of the coins are strictly type pieces. I am not collecting any date sets.

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @pruebas said:
    I’m still waiting to see the pic of that die!

    After so many years, I don’t know which one it was.

    I’m still amazed that these seemingly crude dies could be mounted and aligned correctly to strike coins.

  • realeswatcherrealeswatcher Posts: 339 ✭✭✭

    I'm just surprised there are that many CAR dies around! Plus that mountains test/master (have to think that through for a bit).

    Did any others come out of the Stuart collection???

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2023 8:47AM

    @realeswatcher said:
    I'm just surprised there are that many CAR dies around! Plus that mountains test/master (have to think that through for a bit).

    Did any others come out of the Stuart collection???

    AFAIK, Stuart did not have any. I got some out of a Ponterio sale, and others from a dealer friend in Costa Rica. My theory on that unusual mountain die is that it was bungled and never got finished and/or used. The 1837 2 Escudos is likely a similar story, since the sun was (I presume accidentally) misplaced.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • FrankHFrankH Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    Help me decide on which side I fall!

    As most of you know, I collect coins of the Central American Republic. What most of you probably don't realize is that I collect these by die variety, die state and edge type. And on top of that, I've also bought some original dies to go with the collection. So far, I hope you'll all agree that I'm still on the "hard core" side of the line, even if just barely.

    Am I crazy???

    No. I would think that would fall into brain damage class. :D

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