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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have been looking for a doily for some time now and I have noticed that a lot of them are damaged in some way, mainly cracked. And those that are not, the present possessor are very proud of them, meaning that they want quite a bit more than trends.
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've cracked out at least one of these doily holders in the past, will see if I can find the slab tags..

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have been looking for a doily for some time now and I have noticed that a lot of them are damaged in some way, mainly cracked. And those that are not, the present possessor are very proud of them, meaning that they want quite a bit more than trends. >>



    You will have to look quite awhile and get lucky to find one without a premium (frequently $50-$100)
    Here are a couple eBay $1 starts - 1881-S $$ 3122155 1900-O $$ 8180588
    1881-S
    1900-O
  • You can add this to the doily census.
    1964 prf67 halve. Cert number is 6800.67/8201077.

    Also am always looking for not so common doily's just send me pm and I'll let you know if I need it.

    Thanks
    Chris
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not mine but very cool.

    1892 Barber quarter PR67 Doily CAC

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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1883 No Cents Liberty Nickel PCGS MS65 Doily - Cert No. 3129427 - cracked and chipped outer ring, but it's not missing image

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1883 No Cents Liberty Nickel PCGS MS65 Doily - Cert No. 3129427 - cracked and chipped outer ring, but it's not missing image >>



    I thought that one was way overpriced! I assume you got it at a local show today.

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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>1883 No Cents Liberty Nickel PCGS MS65 Doily - Cert No. 3129427 - cracked and chipped outer ring, but it's not missing image >>



    I thought that one was way overpriced! I assume you got it at a local show today. >>



    yesterday image

    edited to add that it wasn't too overpriced, but has already been resold too image

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doily Enthusiasts . . . . .

    I have received word from Billet7 that he would be unable to update or monitor the Census for the foreseeable future. First of all, I'd like to thank Simon for the Herculean effort he has expended for the last few years in transitioning this post from some random thoughts into an organized and very well-used resource for all of us who look at the Doilies as a fun little subset of the hobby.

    He has asked if I wanted to take over the Census, and frankly, I am swamped, but not entirely opposed. I also realize that Lakesammman, Oreville, and perhaps a few others have extensive and superior slab knowledge and might want to do this. I specialize in the Doily, and am really only interested in the DOILY Census, so if that is something the others want me to do, I will check on how to reorient this thread to my direction, if that is the desire of the Doily community.

    I do teach English, write extensively, and edit numismatic publications, so this is not something I would be unable to do . . .

    If not, I am entirely happy with whatever the Doily community desires . . . . . including fading into the background and keeping my mouth and keyboard shut.

    I will leave this post up, and put a post on the main Forum on 3/28/15 to alert the Doily community.

    PM me or give me your thoughts. I appreciate all of you who do a real service to those of us who enjoy the plastic side of the hobby . .

    Drunner
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Adding an Indian $10.

    1926 MS61 8203183

    Also . . . . .

    I have that 1883NC Lib. Nice piece. Unique for Type.

    Thanks Mike !!!!!!!!

    Drunner
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would second you in saying that Simon/Billet7 has done a great job over the years with the Doily census and it is much appreciated by many of us. It was visionary for it's time.

    It would be great if you would take the lead in this - no one knows the field better or enjoys it more than you.

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    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1913-D Lincoln Cent PCGS MS64RD Doily cert. no. 6249376

    1929-S Lincoln Cent PCGS MS64RD Doily cert. no. 6249387

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Text I would second you in saying that Simon/Billet7 has done a great job over the years with the Doily census and it is much appreciated by many of us. It was visionary for it's time. It would be great if you would take the lead in this - no one knows the field better or enjoys it more than you. ------------------------- >>



    I third the motion.
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    Besides, I am terrible in this computer stuff!

    How can I be so terrible at this when I am the only person on the planet to go to the same university with Craig Newmark for six years, attend many of the same classes, learned Fortrun and Cobol (sic?) on the old 1971 Univac computers and did not remember much of what I learned?

    Edited, Fortran? I can't remember how to spell these old languages!
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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Edited, Fortran? I can't remember how to spell these old languages! >>



    Yes Algol APL BASIC Cobol Fortran JCL LISP Pascal
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Doily Enthusiasts . . . . .
    I specialize in the Doily, and am really only interested in the DOILY Census, so if that is something the others want me to do, I will check on how to reorient this thread to my direction, if that is the desire of the Doily community.
    Drunner >>



    i missed this post a while back. i think it is safe to say since billet7 has offered to pass on the reins, that someone should carry them forward as there is obvious interest in tracking these still, publicly.
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  • DkillettDkillett Posts: 103 ✭✭
    Here is a recent ebay purchase. My first Doily holder.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    haven't seen anyone post a desirable slab from ebay where bidding went crazy?
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1886 $1 PCGS MS63

    Sellers images are kinda hot, but she is intact.

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  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll be helping take over the thread with some advice from LanceNewmanOCC . . . . this is doing OK for now . . .got to get to Gunnison. CO to do a running camp until the 17th, then I'll take a look at it. Lance is giving some good advice . .

    Drunner
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll be helping take over the thread with some advice from LanceNewmanOCC . . . . this is doing OK for now . . .got to get to Gunnison. CO to do a running camp until the 17th, then I'll take a look at it. Lance is giving some good advice . .

    Drunner >>



    i have driven to colorado before and i am not above doing it again drunner, ahem.......
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1943-d 10c ms65fb 8201419
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't find the original thread by a dealer re: Sample doily with RUFFCO sticker - must have gone poof.

    Brought $249 yesterday on ebay - primarily for the date, 1958-D - not the sticker (IMO).
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Was happy to see this one arrive - tough Doily type coin.



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    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Lakesammman

    Can't find the original thread by a dealer re: Sample doily with RUFFCO sticker -.




    here are the 3 threads with ruffco in the body in 2015 other than the census.



    https://forums.collectors.com/..._key=y&keyword1=RUFFCO



    https://forums.collectors.com/..._key=y&keyword1=RUFFCO



    https://forums.collectors.com/..._key=y&keyword1=ruffco



    nice doily seated 25c!

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not mine.



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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • FallGuyFallGuy Posts: 207 ✭✭✭
    1943 WLH MS66 4015699



    I've owned this for about a year now.
  • MJHMJH Posts: 538 ✭✭
    1913-D T2 Buffalo Nickel MS63, ser# 8205828,






    The ring is attached but does come apart and snaps back together.

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  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got a nice morgan 1902 o ms64 #7339231

    http://i944.photobucket.com/al...839518_zpsqttokfac.jpg

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    cool new doily thread we have here.

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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭
    This one is apparently not on the census.
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice Saint! image
  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭✭✭




    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC



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    cool new doily thread we have here.

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    It is the same old thread. Looks like the last edit date in the 1st post apparently disappeared with the software changeover. Never noticed that before.



    So any not in the census on the 1st post could have been listed among the many post made after the last update (which I have no idea when it was - maybe someone else can recall).



    May take a lot of work for someone to update and make sure that all posted here appear in one census.









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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1835 10c au55 6244278

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does this one count? Haven't seen a Doily Sample slab before.



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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would be nice to have a Pinterest community to collect all the Doily photos.

    Would love to see the Mormon gold!
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mach1ne
    Does this one count? Haven't seen a Doily Sample slab before.


    I was just thinking about that. My thinking is that Doily samples should be included.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Sandman70gt

    Just got a nice morgan 1902 o ms64 #7339231

    http://i944.photobucket.com/al...839518_zpsqttokfac.jpg




    Imagified!



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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Zoins

    Would be nice to have a Pinterest community to collect all the Doily photos.



    Would love to see the Mormon gold!




    it was my goal to link all the images with the certs, or at least the majority of them including a new, more organized arrangement of the certs. coulda knocked it out inside a week, easily.



    waiting on other people to step up to the plate has proven most futile and i mean epically.



    good thing i have something of most importance to work on (that is all on me and my efforts) in lieu of these wasteful and selfish endeavors. (my archiving projects, even though they are done for others)

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
    Originally posted by: Zoins
    Would be nice to have a Pinterest community to collect all the Doily photos.

    Would love to see the Mormon gold!


    it was my goal to link all the images with the certs, or at least the majority of them including a new, more organized arrangement of the certs. coulda knocked it out inside a week, easily.

    waiting on other people to step up to the plate has proven most futile and i mean epically.

    good thing i have something of most importance to work on (that is all on me and my efforts) in lieu of these wasteful and selfish endeavors. (my archiving projects, even though they are done for others)
    .


    My thought if it was on a site like Pinterest, then everyone could contribute as they saw fit, and it reduces the work on any given individual to make it all happen.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Zoins



    My thought if it was on a site like Pinterest, then everyone could contribute as they saw fit, and it reduces the work on any given individual to make it all happen.




    good point.



    problem is organization/efficiency. i doubt the images would be friendly en-masse.



    that is the method i prefer anyhow. viewing 300 images over 75-125 pages is like nails on a chalkboard to me. the inefficiency is blood-churning.



    i wish i could do onmouseover here.



    i'd probably have 100k images hosted. image

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
    Originally posted by: Zoins

    My thought if it was on a site like Pinterest, then everyone could contribute as they saw fit, and it reduces the work on any given individual to make it all happen.


    good point.

    problem is organization/efficiency. i doubt the images would be friendly en-masse.

    that is the method i prefer anyhow. viewing 300 images over 75-125 pages is like nails on a chalkboard to me. the inefficiency is blood-churning.

    i wish i could do onmouseover here.

    i'd probably have 100k images hosted. image
    .


    More power to you then. Would love to see all the photos well organized image
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭
    I got a new one to add to the list.....a '36-D San Diego MS65 cert #7349763 Image forthcoming
    I'll come up with something.
  • bob48bob48 Posts: 460 ✭✭✭
    Looking thru the list on pg 1 and 3 of the 6 I have posted has been missed.

    My posts are on pg 9 and 12

    But left off the main list are:



    proof nickel 1964 4196.65/8185321

    proof dime 1958 5231.66/8185328

    MS Morgan 1889-O 7260.62/7306441
    Bob

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bob48:



    The proof nickel is already in the census.



    The Proof dime was listed as a 1956 - please confirm the correct date to avoid duplication.



    The 1889-O is added.



    Please post corrections to the NEW DOILY thread by Drunner - thanks!



    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • bob48bob48 Posts: 460 ✭✭✭
    OK Thanks

    The Proof Dime is a 1956

    I still need glasses.
    Bob

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  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that we have a new one in auction this week that is not on the census as well:

    1870 1c PCGS MS64RB
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  • I just purchased a 1947 D walker in a doily holder and was wondering if it is the one you had long ago. I ask because the s/n (9142458) does not match PCGS's data base! The current Census here does not list it either but does have thebigeng as one.

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