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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Im typing from my iphone image >>



    So am I. It's not that hard.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's nothing wrong with selling to people around the world. They collect the same stuff we collect.
    It is a business choice to offer global trade, but I totally understand why some will not take the risk.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    the last coin I sent to China was an 1800's Mexican 8-reale


    the buyer knew more about it than me, when he got it said it was a fake
    and returned it

    I checked it real close and the weight was light, they were rightimage


    limiting sales to US limits bidders and therefore has a potential to lower sales price
    (you need at least 2 bidders that are interested to bump up price)

    whether this is offset by the shipping hassles is a personal preference and could depend on type of items sold




  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Im typing from my iphone image >>



    Well, that explains a lot...particularly the attitude image

    WTCG is a good guy. Don't know why you got your knickers all riled with him. You are new to the board and I guess you couldn't take the time to learn folks around here before going off on the attacks.
    Attacking from an iphone....heh....that really does explain a lot

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment



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    << <i>Im typing from my iphone image >>



    Well, that explains a lot...particularly the attitude image

    WTCG is a good guy. Don't know why you got your knickers all riled with him. You are new to the board and I guess you couldn't take the time to learn folks around here before going off on the attacks.
    Attacking from an iphone....heh....that really does explain a lot >>



    being new to a message board means squat when we are talking politics, which he is oblivious to. Also care to explain how typing from a phone means anything? If it was meant as an insult then your insulting WTCG as well since he is typing from his phone too. I wont waste my time posting in this thread anymore, as i already wasted enough, since Soty27 received the answers he wanted, there is no use in responding.
  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Im typing from my iphone image >>



    Well, that explains a lot...particularly the attitude image

    WTCG is a good guy. Don't know why you got your knickers all riled with him. You are new to the board and I guess you couldn't take the time to learn folks around here before going off on the attacks.
    Attacking from an iphone....heh....that really does explain a lot >>



    being new to a message board means squat when we are talking politics, which he is oblivious to. Also care to explain how typing from a phone means anything? If it was meant as an insult then your insulting WTCG as well since he is typing from his phone too. >>



    The difference between you and me while using an iPhone? I don't blame my iPhone for the inability to spell and punctuate. Perhaps you should put down the iPhone and go enroll in community college.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    global trade is now global tirade image


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    << <i>Im typing from my iphone image >>



    Well, that explains a lot...particularly the attitude image

    WTCG is a good guy. Don't know why you got your knickers all riled with him. You are new to the board and I guess you couldn't take the time to learn folks around here before going off on the attacks.
    Attacking from an iphone....heh....that really does explain a lot >>



    being new to a message board means squat when we are talking politics, which he is oblivious to. Also care to explain how typing from a phone means anything? If it was meant as an insult then your insulting WTCG as well since he is typing from his phone too. >>



    The difference between you and me while using an iPhone? I don't blame my iPhone for the inability to spell and punctuate. Perhaps you should put down the iPhone and go enroll in community college. >>


    I chose to type fast on a website, because its relatively pointless to correct grammar on a forum MR. Grammar police, its more convenient. keep the insults coming, i enjoy them.
  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Im typing from my iphone image >>



    Well, that explains a lot...particularly the attitude image

    WTCG is a good guy. Don't know why you got your knickers all riled with him. You are new to the board and I guess you couldn't take the time to learn folks around here before going off on the attacks.
    Attacking from an iphone....heh....that really does explain a lot >>



    being new to a message board means squat when we are talking politics, which he is oblivious to. Also care to explain how typing from a phone means anything? If it was meant as an insult then your insulting WTCG as well since he is typing from his phone too. >>



    The difference between you and me while using an iPhone? I don't blame my iPhone for the inability to spell and punctuate. Perhaps you should put down the iPhone and go enroll in community college. >>


    I chose to type fast on a website, because its relatively pointless to correct grammar on a forum MR. Grammar police, its more convenient. Secondly who the hell are you to speak to me when you don't know me? I happen to be in a very good school with a great GPA. >>



    Didn't you proclaim earlier you were going to ignore me? So what happened with that? Was that an empty declaration?

    The PM's I have received from people who are familiar with you describing your demeanor all state very similar attributes, and they don't portray any signs of a positive profile. All descriptions are astoundingly similar. I know you better than you think.

    Apparently the school you're attending isn't as good as you think it is if they can't even teach you proper grammar skills.
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Yes, I would. I ship a lot overseas. If you don't ship overseas then fill out your auction listing correctly and they won't even see them on their ebay. --Jerry
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My bottom line is if I have little cost in an item, and is a "hard to sell" item, and it sells for a decent price, and the buyer has some excellent ebay feedback buying coins or cards...only then will I ship overseas. I realize this is a tough combination, but then again I don't ever have to worry about getting stiffed on a risky transaction.


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    << <i>Good grief. I suppose all the coin doctors in the US are Chinese as well? MJ >>



    No one said that, but you cant act like nothings going on over there either. >>



    Paranoia is treatable.
  • I got burnt once from someone in Russia, and E-Bay and Pay Pal did nothing. Because of this I never sell internationally, and never will. I have it set up that people international can't bid on my auctions, and this weekend someone from China still somehow found a way to bid. I reported the buyer to e-Bay. The bottom line is that you can go after someone in our country, but not internationally.
  • no confirmed address = voided contract, read ebay policy.


    Correct!!! The China issue would be the least of my issues
  • If you are a power seller, it doesn't have to be a confirmed address. They tell you it is OK to send.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>1. Confirmed address- without a confirmed address you have 0 seller protection and anyone can simply say they did not recieve the item and paypal will refund the $$ >>

    From here:

    Question :

    Can I ship to unconfirmed addresses?

    Answer :

    Yes, the transaction must be marked eligible or partially eligible for Seller Protection on the Transaction Details page.
    If the transaction is marked eligible, protection for both Unauthorized Payments and Item Not Received will apply. If it is marked partially eligible, protection for only Item Not Received will apply.

    Items sold on eBay will be marked eligible even if the shipping address is marked unconfirmed.


    << <i>2. I must be able to see feedback when shipping outside the country, I have no way to track packages that leave the US so I have to rely on feedback as some sort of way to gauge the buyer. >>

    Sellers can't leave negative feedback (even if it's marked as positive with a negatively worded comment), so you can't rely on prior feedback as any sort of assistance in determining how responsible the bidder is.
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
    as a general rule I usually reserve the right to DQ ANY international bidders, if I have an international winner, I typically let them know that and find out of they'd be willing to bear the additional expense of a shipping method which provides international tracking and insurance (typically 20-30, depending)... Out of the 13-15 I-sales I've done, I've had good back and forths with the international bidders and they've all been agreeable to additional shipping charges.

    I find that you usually get a good indication from thier communication if they're going to be shady or not. IF my spidey-sense ever tingled, Id like politely decline their winning bid because "by rule" I didn't have to take it.

    Case by Case...
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭


    << <i>as a general rule I usually reserve the right to DQ ANY international bidders, if I have an international winner, I typically let them know that and find out of they'd be willing to bear the additional expense of a shipping method which provides international tracking and insurance (typically 20-30, depending)... Out of the 13-15 I-sales I've done, I've had good back and forths with the international bidders and they've all been agreeable to additional shipping charges.

    I find that you usually get a good indication from thier communication if they're going to be shady or not. IF my spidey-sense ever tingled, Id like politely decline their winning bid because "by rule" I didn't have to take it.

    Case by Case... >>



    This is probably a bigger issue when you're selling darkside, which I am like 50% of the time...
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


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    This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US >>


    Your logic is tragically flawed. MJ >>




    Logic is not the word I would useimage
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Ebay auctions give you a seperate place to put where internationally you will ship and what you charge. Figure out if you ship outside the US before you list, not after. Put in the appropriate ammount. For a $1500 coin I generally charge about $60 for shipping and ins as that is what it costs through a 3rd party shipper/insurer.

    There is a button you can click to not allow bidders from places you don't ship so if you put "No international shipping" and click this button you will get no international bidders. --jerry
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder if a buyer from Europe who was involved in the same scenario would face the same scutiny? It appears that there is tacit approval of discriminatory selling practices. That is unacceptable. Can't see feedback information? That's a legitimate reason to cancel a sale. No permanent shipping address? Another legitimate reason. Sure there is a counterfeiting problem with origins in China, but to refusing to sell to a Chinese buyer because just because they are Chinese is an act of prejudice. If the EBay member has a history of fraud or selling counterfeit coins, that is another matter that needs to be dealt with. But to refuse a sale based on negative preconcieved notions regarding an entire nationality is wrong. Judging by the sentiments I see here I wonder how many forum members would refuse to sell me coins based on their asinine prejudgements? >>



    Yes, it is funny how members here think that the entire multitrillion dollar chinese economy revolves around counterfeiting coins because that is all they pay attention to. We could just as easily conclude that all that happens in the US is drunk driving because that is in the paper every day. --Jerry
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I took a chance with a German buyer once, a Brazillian buyer once and a French buyer once. All three resulted in a satisfactory conclusion. The French buyer has turned into a close numismatic friend and we have bought and sold several coins to each other. As long as the customer paid and their was an agreement as to shipping loss and/or insurance as available, I would do the deal. But then that's me, jmo.
    Jim

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So a Chinese guy, a Canadian and image walk into a Mexican bar ....
    Which one is a lawyer ?


    Look, Letterman wouldn't hire me. This was my last resort.


  • << <i>This is probably a bigger issue when you're selling darkside, which I am like 50% of the time... >>



    Forgive my ignorance, please, but what does "selling darkside" mean in context?
    Tony Barreca

    "Question your assumptions."
    "Intelligence is an evolutionary adaptation."
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>This is probably a bigger issue when you're selling darkside, which I am like 50% of the time... >>



    Forgive my ignorance, please, but what does "selling darkside" mean in context? >>



    Non-US, Non-Canadian coins.
    ie...."World" coins

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>This is probably a bigger issue when you're selling darkside, which I am like 50% of the time... >>



    Forgive my ignorance, please, but what does "selling darkside" mean in context? >>



    yep, no pejorative there...

    world = darkside
    canadian = greyside

    image
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US >>


    Your logic is tragically flawed. MJ >>




    Logic is not the word I would useimage >>


    Yes, please insert the "word" of your choice in place of "logic".

    I let him off the hook. It won't happen again. MJ

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    << <i>This is probably a bigger issue when you're selling darkside, which I am like 50% of the time... >>



    Forgive my ignorance, please, but what does "selling darkside" mean in context? >>



    Non-US, Non-Canadian coins.
    ie...."World" coins



    yep, no pejorative there...

    world = darkside
    canadian = greyside

    image >>



    Thanks for the responses! I was getting worried that reading this discussion had gone well past the point of "no returns" on the investment of time when this learning opportunity arose.

    Unfortunately, I think, that in essence this thread reflected nothing so much as the fact that ignorance, prejudice, and bad logic remain rife, rampant, and afoot.
    Tony Barreca

    "Question your assumptions."
    "Intelligence is an evolutionary adaptation."
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The one thing I try to remember about this box.
    image
    Thinking outside of it makes business much better inside of it.


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    This mentality is exactly why this countries going under. No ones discriminating against chinese people, he lives in china, counterfeit capital of the world, I have no problem with selling to a Chinese person in the US >>


    Your logic is tragically flawed. MJ >>




    Logic is not the word I would useimage >>


    Yes, please insert the "word" of your choice in place of "logic".

    I let him off the hook. It won't happen again. MJ >>



    [sarcasm]your so kind.[/sarcasm]
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I've sold stuff to people overseas like in Europe but have always been hesitant to sell to someone in China.

    And before anyone starts crap that I am racist, ignorant, etc towards the chinese, I myself am chinese.
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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I've sold stuff to people overseas like in Europe but have always been hesitant to sell to someone in China.

    And before anyone starts crap that I am racist, ignorant, etc towards the chinese, I myself am chinese. >>



    Anybody can be discriminatory towards anybody, even their own people. If you are Asian you know exactly what I'm talking about. The most prejudiced person I know personally is Asian. That anecdote is a whole different story I won't get into here but let's just say if mkman123 and myself were sitting at the same table the person in question would not pull up a chair and sit at that table herself.
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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    I think what you need to do is get payment in some form OTHER than PayPal. Have them wire you the money or send it Western Union. Then you can send the coin anywhere with no concern about verified addresses or whatnot.
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  • Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭
    i would never sell to anyone outside the US, your just asking for trouble
  • I agree.
  • See what happened when I bought a cat from China...image

    WTCG- I have always held you in high regard.. Don't get sucked into this foolish discussion..

    Soty has parameters for his business.. Those weren't met.. That's the magic of a free market society..

    If he had shipped and got a charge back we would all jump on him for shipping to a unconfirmed address
    overseas... image

    Let's all just push away from the keyboard and enjoy the lovely ladies here for our enjoyment...

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  • I used to send a lot of antique toys to Japan, never had any problems, if they have paypal why not?
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    WTCG- I have always held you in high regard.. Don't get sucked into this foolish discussion..

    Soty has parameters for his business.. Those weren't met.. That's the magic of a free market society..

    If he had shipped and got a charge back we would all jump on him for shipping to a unconfirmed address
    overseas... image


    >>




    I don't think Wei has/had an issue with Soty and his business parameters (and, neither do I, as he outlined them). It was the posts following the OP that just commented on the person being from China, all the counterfeiting as their reasoning.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment



  • << <i>I don't think Wei has/had an issue with Soty and his business parameters (and, neither do I, as he outlined them). It was the posts following the OP that just commented on the person being from China, all the counterfeiting as their reasoning. >>



    That's what I was referring to... My comment about Soty was outside the parameter of my comment to WTCG..



  • << <i> I am not going to ship the coin and I will cancle this transaction just like the last one but I was wondering, is there anyone here that would ship the coin? Oh and another thing all their feedback is private. >>



    STICK 'T YER GUNZ, M'BOY.

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