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lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't like playing the resubmission game with PCGS but I felt each of these three coins could grade. Each was sent in up to three times, so clearly PCGS had other opinions.

Care to guess which, if any, graded?
Lance.

Results!
Although no one guessed PCGS's exact ratings, six forum members got the right overall results.

- The '26 CBH was "genuined" twice for cleaning. There are very faint hairlines on the obverse left that lightly cross Liberty's neck.
- The IHC was bagged three times, artificial color, artificial color, and finally altered surfaces. No dealer I showed it to at the Santa Clara show agreed. Eugene Bruder gladly accepted a return.
- The '23 CBH was body bagged once for artificial color but graded AU50 on the second attempt.

LindeDad, Zeebob, InternetJunky, Fountainhead, Partagas, and ElmerFusterPuck correctly guessed which were bagged and graded. A draw from a hat by my wife gave the nod to Zeebob.

Zeebob, PM me with your mailing address and I'll get you one of these lovely silver coins!

Edited to make it a contest. See below.

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  • OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561 ✭
    I suspect that the correct answer is that none graded.

    But here is my answer.

    Coin #1 - graded XF-40

    Coin #2 - questionable color

    Coint #3 - questionable color



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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    1826 Half: First was in an XF40 holder, but you thought it would be a 45, so you cracked it and resubmitted. It came back cleaned - code 92.
    1868 Indian Cent: First was in a gennie holder as altered surfaces - code 94. However, upon resubmittal it came back a 63RB.
    1823 Half: You've tried 2-3 times, but it keeps coming back gennie, questionable color - code 91.

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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    The 23 might have graded. The other two I think not. But they are all nice no matter what the outcome. image
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wizzed
    Altered surfaces.
    EF40 Patched 3

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I'll guess:

    Cleaned
    Questionable color
    Questionable color
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine (92)
    Genuine (91)
    Genuine (92)
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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    23 graded?
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  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't like playing the resubmission game with PCGS but I felt each of these three coins could grade. Each was sent in up to three times, so clearly PCGS had other opinions.

    Care to guess which, if any, graded?
    Lance.

    >>



    Given the hint I would say non of the above. Most likely to grade is #1.

    Edited to be more specific:
    I would say none gradeded:
    #1 Altered Surfaces
    #2 Questionable Color
    #3 Questionable Color
  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825 ✭


    << <i>Wizzed
    Altered surfaces.
    EF40 Patched 3

    image >>



    That's my vote also.
  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    I think the Indian did grade, the only questionable color issue is with RD, its clearly RB, I have see end roll coins like this with Lincoln's. Both halves look messed with IMO, the last one dipped and retoned and the first would get 94 Altered Surface.
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm suspecting all three did not cross... My last two ngc graded coins never crossed either.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm suspecting all three did not cross... My last two ngc graded coins never crossed either. >>

    I didn't see anything posted which indicated that the coins were cross-over attempts.
  • stevendanielsstevendaniels Posts: 378
    I will give a crack at it:

    35
    Color
    Color
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  • InternetJunkyInternetJunky Posts: 2,329 ✭
    1.) 92 - Cleaned
    2.) 91 - Questionable Color
    3.) Grades 40
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    altered surface
    cleaned
    art color


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  • Nocerino18Nocerino18 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll guess:

    Cleaned
    Questionable color
    Questionable color >>



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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF40 somethin
    Proof 50 somethin
    AU 60 somethin
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned
    Questionable color
    Questionable color
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Not even going to guess. Curious what the answer is though.
  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
    70


    70


    69 with a star?


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    Curious for the answer also.
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  • FountainheadFountainhead Posts: 956
    Whizzed
    questionable color
    EF40
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Agree with most, bagged, bagged and the 3rd coin eventually got holdered.
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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    NONE graded would be my guess.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not even going to guess. Curious what the answer is though. >>

    C'mon, Ben. You even saw the IHC in person at last year's SC show, during lunch. Remember?

    I'll post the answers tonight.
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    1.Cleaned and whizzed
    2. Altered surfaces
    3. AT

    All coins will be marked genuine
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  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    All coins graded. It's part of the game.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd bag all three of them. The first Bust Half to me was harshly cleaned, the obverse of the IHC to me is questionable color and the reverse screams 'cleaned,' the third Bust Half to me was cooked. If any of these coins might grade, I think it's the IHC.
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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned
    Questionable color
    Questionable color

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  • FountainheadFountainhead Posts: 956
    I'll add that even though I think PCGS would rate the Indian as questionable color, it would still be a coin I'd love to own.

    As for the 3rd coin, I like the toning, but EF40 is too low a grade for my taste.
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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1.XF-40
    2.MS-64-RB(or genuine-Questionable color)
    3.AU-53(or Geniune-Cleaned/retoned)

    I really think#3 got a genuine holder and the other 2 graded.
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  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    cleaned
    63
    questionable color
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned
    AT
    AT

    ?
    image
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Genuine-repaired
    Genuine-recolored
    Genuine-AT
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. no grade, cleaned.
    2. MS64RB.
    3. no grade, questionable color.
  • SeaEagleCoinsSeaEagleCoins Posts: 3,262 ✭
    I'll be a contrarian...

    VF35 unless it genuined for 92/cleaned
    MS63RB unless it genuined for 94/Altered surfaces
    VF35 unless it genuined for 91/questionable color
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine
    MS-65RB
    Genuine


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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS is currently very strict on any early copper that doesn't look 100% right. And anything questionable accompanying coppers that look 100% correct will get bagged.

    1. Env damage
    2. Questionable color
    3. Questionable color

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS is currently very strict on any early copper that doesn't look 100% right. And anything questionable accompanying coppers that look 100% correct will get bagged.

    1. Env damage
    2. Questionable color
    3. Questionable color

    roadrunner >>



    image......seems like the right combination of grades
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's make this a prize! I kept three of the below coins for myself, the best quality. I'll give away one to the winner. You can do a little digging for the past thread for more info on how these pieces came about. It was a 1,000 post giveaway. Someone find it. Let's just call it a kinda cool 1oz. silver coin, for now.

    image

    The winner of this contest must cite the terms PCGS used for each and any BB/"genuine holder". From the last submission. Either the numbers or the terminology. You don't have to nail the grade for anything that graded.

    82 Filed Rims
    83 Peeling Lamination
    84 Holed and Plugged
    90 Not Genuine
    91 Questionable Color
    92 Cleaned
    93 Planchet Flaw
    94 Altered Surface
    95 Scratch or Rim Nick
    97 Environmental Damage
    98 Damage or Tooling
    99 PVC Residue

    If you already cited a condition that is defined above, no need to restate it. If it is not delineated then clarify it. I will take "whizzed" as "altered surface". "Genuine" needs clarification.

    So the guy who gets it right on all three coins wins! If no one gets it exactly right then the one closest one wins. Ties will be settled by a coin toss of my pocket piece or a random draw if more than two are correct.

    Edited to say it is okay to edit your post to specify the PCGS reason for any body bagging. "Genuine" or "bagging" is not a valid (or winning) guess.

    Contest ends tomorrow, Nov 24, at 10AM PST.
    Lance.

    P.S. Dave, you can't win. You're a friend with insider info. Sorry. I owe you lunch.
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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Damn, I wish I could play image

    I intend to take you up on the lunch though Lance next time you are in my neck of the woods.

    Good luck all!!




  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭✭
    1. 94 Altered surface
    2. 91 Questionable Color
    3. 98 Damage or tooling
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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    #1 = 92
    #2 = 94
    ## = 92
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  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    94
    91
    91
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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen far worse in graded holders, from all the major services. Here are my guesses:

    1. 94 Altered Surface on the 1st one, though I wouldn't be surprised if it got into an XF-40 holder
    2. 91 Questionable Color. Well struck 1868 cent, but I haven't seen color like that unless it's been messed with.
    3. I like that coin and have seen many like that get graded. I'll say XF-45.

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  • terrym280terrym280 Posts: 103 ✭✭
    XF
    94
    91
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Genuine
    MS-65RB
    Genuine >>



    1st -Cleaned/ Genuine
    2nd-MS65RB
    3rd-Questionable color/ Genuine


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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt for results.
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  • FountainheadFountainhead Posts: 956


    << <i>LindeDad, Zeebob, InternetJunky, Fountainhead, Partagas, and ElmerFusterPuck correctly guessed which were bagged and graded. >>


    I credit two factors in my success: an expensive education of disappointing PCGS submissions, and the fact I already own an AU58 bust half which I examined for comparison.
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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    No way I could get that 1823 CBH graded. I get the AT notation regularly, even on long ago graded NGC/ANACS coins.

    Has there been a thread lately asking us to show coins PCGS gave the AT notation?
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • InternetJunkyInternetJunky Posts: 2,329 ✭
    Congrats to Zeebob! I'm glad I was somewhat on the right track. Shows I've learned quite a bit since I joined almost a year ago ( I remember one of my first posts was asking the value of a 57-D Unc wheaty image )

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