Steve27 - About 95%+ of all the deals I have done on the BST board involve board members shipping me coins for my purchase. My checks go out business next day as a matter of course (I am generally the one expected to perform and I do -smooth deals all the way). There have been a few instances over the years, however, where board members have not performed (either by not sending me a product they were supposed to - usually because the product valued moved up after the deal was completed, or in the case I am selling something, not receiving the payment from the board member). I have adjusted my actions accordingly to make these defaults less likely and less severe to me if they do occur. But, again, it sure would be nice to ensure the few "bad apples" could not strike again on the BST board. Perhaps the moderator might be interested in overseeing these types of situations as well as posting infractions by members?
Wondercoin
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You left me off your list, I am chagrined....lol. Just a reminder that many of us have been here so long and had so many effortless transactions we cannot remember them all. >>
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Rick and Pat that was Broadstrucks list...
If I made a list I would never leave a Mercateer off it. Usually we shipped and received coins before payment arrived and as far as I know not a single person had a problem.
I'll out myself one of them is me I think, I did say I would buy it and did sent out payment today for it with a new bank box of 2009 Cabin Lincoln Cents 50 rolls for free for the what time it took me. I wasent planing on paying that much in Income tax's 47K is a lot to get up in a short time. But I said I would buy it and I'am doing it.
Could smone splain to me ..."WHAT the HELL THIS THREAD is ABOUT....!!!!!...... ...............................................................................................................................sorry for yelling.........
<< <i>So I agreed to sell a couple of coins to two different board members. One bounced a check and came up with other excuses as to what happened and another had some probably legitimate things happen and promised to follow through in the near future. Neither has come through at all.
Is there a way to rate members on the BST board? I am out the cost of bank fees. In addition, the prices that were agreed upon at that time probably can not be obtained in the current market. What do you think? >>
There is a very simple way to rate a transaction. Simply add it to your signature line. How simple can that be, surprised you didn't think of it.
This thread reminds me of something I once read in someone's sig line... I'm not sure who or when or where... but it had something to do with Reading Comprehension...
One thing that is needed for there to be Reading Comprehension...is to actually read all that has been written... not just snippets. As long as this thread is, I can understand some folks not wanting to read all of it... and yet, the many little turns it has taken seem to be due to folks just not reading everything and/or not really understanding what they have read...
For instance... a little above this post, one of the two folks referred to in the OP has come forward and ID'd themselves... and no one has seemed to notice...
I'm just sayin'
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>So I agreed to sell a couple of coins to two different board members. One bounced a check and came up with other excuses as to what happened and another had some probably legitimate things happen and promised to follow through in the near future. Neither has come through at all.
Is there a way to rate members on the BST board? I am out the cost of bank fees. In addition, the prices that were agreed upon at that time probably can not be obtained in the current market. What do you think? >>
The BST is nothing more than a wall board for people to visit and to look over the wares and e-mail/PM the intent, there is no binding contract when someone offers to buy/sell, it’s merely a public service provided by the host and the US Coin Forum should not be used as a lever in order to pry a stalled transaction. A gentlemen’s handshake contract should not be discussed in a public gathering. This maybe “Old School” thinking, but we are slowly moving away from what’s ethically right here.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but this is how I feel about the whole affair.
And yes, if your going to comment on the end of a post of this nature, read the whole thing then make your post.
<< <i>I'll out myself one of them is me I think, I did say I would buy it and did sent out payment today for it with a new bank box of 2009 Cabin Lincoln Cents 50 rolls for free for the what time it took me. I wasent planing on paying that much in Income tax's 47K is a lot to get up in a short time. But I said I would buy it and I'am doing it. >>
I really do wish you folks would learn to freakin read!!!!!!!
One of the people DID OUT THEMSELVES ALL FREAKIN READY... (I quoted it for you to read so you don't have to tire yourself out looking for the post)
Now... I feel a bit better...
Back to your continual nonsense...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>The BST is nothing more than a wall board for people to visit and to look over the wares and e-mail/PM the intent, there is no binding contract when someone offers to buy/sell, it’s merely a public service provided by the host and the US Coin Forum should not be used as a lever in order to pry a stalled transaction. A gentlemen’s handshake contract should not be discussed in a public gathering. This maybe “Old School” thinking, but we are slowly moving away from what’s ethically right here.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but this is how I feel about the whole affair.
And yes, if your going to comment on the end of a post of this nature, read the whole thing then make your post.
That is all. >>
Gee I'm sorry if I disagree with your generalization of the BST....If two collectors get together and agree to some terms as to a sale or arangement of a deal ...especially here..then it IS a contract.IF we cannot trust the ones who post here and trade back and forth with each other then what is the use of the BST...JMHO....!!!!
<< <i>The BST is nothing more than a wall board for people to visit and to look over the wares and e-mail/PM the intent, there is no binding contract when someone offers to buy/sell, it’s merely a public service provided by the host and the US Coin Forum should not be used as a lever in order to pry a stalled transaction. A gentlemen’s handshake contract should not be discussed in a public gathering. This maybe “Old School” thinking, but we are slowly moving away from what’s ethically right here.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but this is how I feel about the whole affair.
And yes, if your going to comment on the end of a post of this nature, read the whole thing then make your post.
That is all. >>
Gee I'm sorry if I disagree with your generalization of the BST....If two collectors get together and agree to some terms as to a sale or arangement of a deal ...especially here..then it IS a contract.IF we cannot trust the ones who post here and trade back and forth with each other then what is the use of the BST...JMHO....!!!! >>
"gentlemen’s handshake contract" but I did use the word contract, but it is a verbal (loosely termed, an e-mail/PM type contract) I never said it wasn't, it's an agreement to fulfill an agreement that should not be hashed over in a public forum.
One must remember that all it takes to join here is a working Email address. As a new member I do not expect to receive the same respect that the old timers have earned. One should fairly consider time registered along with post count and reputation when choosing a trading partner.
You may still wish to trade with a newer member but take additional precautions like waiting for a check to clear before shipping your widgets.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE: The wealthiest class treats the lowest class and sends the bill to the middle class.
For instance... a little above this post, one of the two folks referred to in the OP has come forward and ID'd themselves... and no one has seemed to notice...
Number one on my pet peeve list, happens all too often.
<< <i>here is a simple rule that might help you out:
"deal w/ dealers"
K S >>
Agree. A coin dealer would never screw a collector.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Good Golly Miss Molly…I said BINDING CONTRACT where signatures are exchanged, paper work is filled out or you click on a link where expressed terms are ratified and you must agree to those terms. But, most important of all, do you think Collectors Universe is going to acknowledge that this agreement ever took place. The BST is not e-Bay or Pay-Pal, somehow some of you have lost the context of what I was saying.
I agreed it was a gentlemen’s handshake contract, which should be fulfilled as per agreement, but that agreement is not to be discussed in a public forum.
If two collectors get together and agree to some terms as to a sale or arangement of a deal ...especially here..then it IS a contract.
Although this might be true in your eyes, time & time again the consensus on these boards is that it is not.
It used to be that I could do a search for threads of years gone by, & I had one where I had a trade agreement with someone for a Morgan. Then before we shipped packages he changed his mind. I posted a there called something like "When's a deal a deal?". The vast majority did not think a deal was a deal until packages where delivered. & today I would add that it isn't a deal until both are happy, so in the end if one of the parties changes his/her mind, isn't it better to nix the deal (even after agreeing to it) than mail packages, say they don't like the item & have both waste money returning the items.
What should have happened in the case of Type2, IMO, is communication. As soon as he knew he would have problems keeping up his part of the deal, speak up. Better to get tander a little upset than this thread.
<< <i><<I'm sorry, but your post count is simply not high enough for you to prevail in this case. You need more street cred. To get that, you may have to divulge more details>>
q]LOL..
it's amazing how we correlate post count to being screwed.. LOL too funny here >>
No it's true...The unwritten laws of the Post Count Tribunal
1-999 posts = you are on double secret probation
1000-4999= you get one get out of jail free card
5000-9999= you can kill one member of lower ranking with a trident
10,000- or more= you can plead the Shaggy defense. "It wasn't me" >>
<< <i>For instance... a little above this post, one of the two folks referred to in the OP has come forward and ID'd themselves... and no one has seemed to notice...
Number one on my pet peeve list, happens all too often. >>
I did not understand that post though. The numbers seemed off. I was thinking it was facetious.
As a fellow Mercateer I was sure I was on your list but alas I haven't done any deals with one of the "Kings of Merc"! I would venture a guess that you have a merc or two in a rattler slab that would fit my set. I promise a smooth transaction if you were to offer me one.
I think the member willing to come forward did the honorable thing and is worth of another chance.
I have a low post count, I hope that does not shed a bad light on me. The BST is quickly replacing Ebay for my online coin shopping. I agree with Bear on just about everything he has said on this subject.
Agree to disagree.!!!.cancel a deal...I've changed my mind...!!!... Man ...It's no wonder people get ticked off..I thought that if you discussed terms on an item and agreed to a price that would be proper arangement for a deal.I know in the real world it is not.You need lawyers and witnesses and and certification seals to assure that the transaction is legal....BUT this is the BST...a closed group of collectors here and if the deal goes sour then it should be open for discussion...JMHO....
I've had a few members agree make deals and not follow through. I've never received a bounced check (yet ) Also get a lot of No replies. O well, Move on. If someone bounced a check with me and wouldn't make good I'd certainly out them. I Think that is why BST works so great. People are afraid of getting a bad rep.
<< <i>I've had a few members agree make deals and not follow through. I've never received a bounced check (yet ) Also get a lot of No replies. O well, Move on. If someone bounced a check with me and wouldn't make good I'd certainly out them. I Think that is why BST works so great. People are afraid of getting a bad rep. >>
I have been guilty of this on a couple of occasions. It involved circumstances beyond my control that popped up suddenly, and the other party was always agreeable to the cancellation of the deal. I enjoy the respectful and trusting environment we have here...just hope it doesn't get ruined.
I enjoy the respectful and trusting environment we have here...just hope it doesn't get ruined.
Not likely. There's enough nation-wide pressure here that in the end, in every case I know of, even if the culprit has been outed & is biting & scratching, they seem to (eventually) make it right in the end.
<< <i>It's just that the East Coast sucks and the West Coast rules. Folks on the East Coast will never get that.
[edit] Smiley face inserted before I get flayed alive for that comment.
>>
Hey...don't worry none... here in Joisey... we don't mess with flayin' ... we just put a pair of cement shoes on ya... and toss ya off the GWB...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
Comments
<< <i>100 >>
Correct, but it barely made it.
Steve27 - About 95%+ of all the deals I have done on the BST board involve board members shipping me coins for my purchase. My checks go out business next day as a matter of course (I am generally the one expected to perform and I do -smooth deals all the way). There have been a few instances over the years, however, where board members have not performed (either by not sending me a product they were supposed to - usually because the product valued moved up after the deal was completed, or in the case I am selling something, not receiving the payment from the board member). I have adjusted my actions accordingly to make these defaults less likely and less severe to me if they do occur. But, again, it sure would be nice to ensure the few "bad apples" could not strike again on the BST board. Perhaps the moderator might be interested in overseeing these types of situations as well as posting infractions by members?
Wondercoin
<< <i>Ken,
You left me off your list, I am chagrined....lol. Just a reminder that many of us have been here so long and had so many effortless transactions we cannot remember them all. >>
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Rick and Pat that was Broadstrucks list...
If I made a list I would never leave a Mercateer off it. Usually we shipped and received coins before payment arrived and as far as I know not a single person had a problem.
Ken
Hoard the keys.
...............................................................................................................................sorry for yelling.........
"deal w/ dealers"
K S
<< <i>So I agreed to sell a couple of coins to two different board members. One bounced a check and came up with other excuses as to what happened and another had some probably legitimate things happen and promised to follow through in the near future. Neither has come through at all.
Is there a way to rate members on the BST board? I am out the cost of bank fees. In addition, the prices that were agreed upon at that time probably can not be obtained in the current market. What do you think? >>
There is a very simple way to rate a transaction. Simply add it to your signature line. How simple can that be, surprised you didn't think of it.
scoop of insidious innuendo, but to force a resolution of two deals that
have gone bad on the BST. If it accomplishes that , then this thread has
performed its intent. The respect and acceptance shown by the Forum
to individuals, is often valued higher then monetary gain . To maintain that
respect, requires individuals to honor their commitments and to follow thru
on their obligation to Forum Members. In the next few days, we will either
have a resolution of the issues, or a condemnation of the individuals.
Camelot
One thing that is needed for there to be Reading Comprehension...is to actually read all that has been written... not just snippets. As long as this thread is, I can understand some folks not wanting to read all of it... and yet, the many little turns it has taken seem to be due to folks just not reading everything and/or not really understanding what they have read...
For instance... a little above this post, one of the two folks referred to in the OP has come forward and ID'd themselves... and no one has seemed to notice...
I'm just sayin'
<< <i>So I agreed to sell a couple of coins to two different board members. One bounced a check and came up with other excuses as to what happened and another had some probably legitimate things happen and promised to follow through in the near future. Neither has come through at all.
Is there a way to rate members on the BST board? I am out the cost of bank fees. In addition, the prices that were agreed upon at that time probably can not be obtained in the current market. What do you think? >>
you need to out !! the non-payers
and clearly understand what will happen, if the issues are not resolved
and in a rapid manner.
Camelot
Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but this is how I feel about the whole affair.
And yes, if your going to comment on the end of a post of this nature, read the whole thing then make your post.
That is all.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
<< <i>I'll out myself one of them is me I think, I did say I would buy it and did sent out payment today for it with a new bank box of 2009 Cabin Lincoln Cents 50 rolls for free for the what time it took me. I wasent planing on paying that much in Income tax's 47K is a lot to get up in a short time. But I said I would buy it and I'am doing it.
I really do wish you folks would learn to freakin read!!!!!!!
One of the people DID OUT THEMSELVES ALL FREAKIN READY... (I quoted it for you to read so you don't have to tire yourself out looking for the post)
Now... I feel a bit better...
Back to your continual nonsense...
I noticed.
Steve
<< <i>The BST is nothing more than a wall board for people to visit and to look over the wares and e-mail/PM the intent, there is no binding contract when someone offers to buy/sell, it’s merely a public service provided by the host and the US Coin Forum should not be used as a lever in order to pry a stalled transaction. A gentlemen’s handshake contract should not be discussed in a public gathering. This maybe “Old School” thinking, but we are slowly moving away from what’s ethically right here.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but this is how I feel about the whole affair.
And yes, if your going to comment on the end of a post of this nature, read the whole thing then make your post.
That is all. >>
Gee I'm sorry if I disagree with your generalization of the BST....If two collectors get together and agree to some terms as to a sale or arangement of a deal ...especially here..then it IS a contract.IF we cannot trust the ones who post here and trade back and forth with each other then what is the use of the BST...JMHO....!!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>The BST is nothing more than a wall board for people to visit and to look over the wares and e-mail/PM the intent, there is no binding contract when someone offers to buy/sell, it’s merely a public service provided by the host and the US Coin Forum should not be used as a lever in order to pry a stalled transaction. A gentlemen’s handshake contract should not be discussed in a public gathering. This maybe “Old School” thinking, but we are slowly moving away from what’s ethically right here.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but this is how I feel about the whole affair.
And yes, if your going to comment on the end of a post of this nature, read the whole thing then make your post.
That is all. >>
Gee I'm sorry if I disagree with your generalization of the BST....If two collectors get together and agree to some terms as to a sale or arangement of a deal ...especially here..then it IS a contract.IF we cannot trust the ones who post here and trade back and forth with each other then what is the use of the BST...JMHO....!!!! >>
"gentlemen’s handshake contract" but I did use the word contract, but it is a verbal (loosely termed, an e-mail/PM type contract) I never said it wasn't, it's an agreement to fulfill an agreement that should not be hashed over in a public forum.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
You may still wish to trade with a newer member but take additional precautions like waiting for a check to clear before shipping your widgets.
As another member has so eloquently pointed out - some need to read before just posting away!
Look on the previous page and you'll find the post followed shortly thereafter by at least a couple other fellow
members that apparently missed or DIDN'T READ that member's post!
Jeez Louise!
Could be anywhere, not just here. It is called a verbal contract and could be upheld on Judge Judy.
Steve
<< <i>The only thing that matters is post count.
I do not make the rules. >>
<< <i>
<< <i>The only thing that matters is post count.
I do not make the rules. >>
+1
For instance... a little above this post, one of the two folks referred to in the OP has come forward and ID'd themselves... and no one has seemed to notice...
Number one on my pet peeve list, happens all too often.
rather then the quantity that matters. Any
member, regardless of the number of posts,
is expected to to meet the terms of an agreement.
Those terms can be modified only with the consent
of both parties. This Forum, containes within its
membership , a moral and ethical concept that we
must always seek to uphold.
Camelot
<< <i>here is a simple rule that might help you out:
"deal w/ dealers"
K S >>
Agree. A coin dealer would never screw a collector.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I agreed it was a gentlemen’s handshake contract, which should be fulfilled as per agreement, but that agreement is not to be discussed in a public forum.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Oh, and, coinmanic--please turn on your PM (in your profile).
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
Although this might be true in your eyes, time & time again the consensus on these boards is that it is not.
It used to be that I could do a search for threads of years gone by, & I had one where I had a trade agreement with someone for a Morgan.
Then before we shipped packages he changed his mind.
I posted a there called something like "When's a deal a deal?".
The vast majority did not think a deal was a deal until packages where delivered.
& today I would add that it isn't a deal until both are happy, so in the end if one of the parties changes his/her mind, isn't it better to nix the deal (even after agreeing to it) than mail packages, say they don't like the item & have both waste money returning the items.
What should have happened in the case of Type2, IMO, is communication. As soon as he knew he would have problems keeping up his part of the deal, speak up. Better to get tander a little upset than this thread.
As for the other member......????
<< <i><<I'm sorry, but your post count is simply not high enough for you to prevail in this case. You need more street cred. To get that, you may have to divulge more details>>
q]LOL..
it's amazing how we correlate post count to being screwed.. LOL too funny here >>
No it's true...The unwritten laws of the Post Count Tribunal
1-999 posts = you are on double secret probation
1000-4999= you get one get out of jail free card
5000-9999= you can kill one member of lower ranking with a trident
10,000- or more= you can plead the Shaggy defense. "It wasn't me" >>
NOW..That is funny!
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<< <i>For instance... a little above this post, one of the two folks referred to in the OP has come forward and ID'd themselves... and no one has seemed to notice...
Number one on my pet peeve list, happens all too often. >>
I did not understand that post though. The numbers seemed off. I was thinking it was facetious.
<< <i>Extremely Positive Transactions with Forum Members =
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I guess my deal with you stunk.....
Ken >>
As a fellow Mercateer I was sure I was on your list but alas I haven't done any deals with one of the "Kings of Merc"! I would venture a guess that you have a merc or two in a rattler slab that would fit my set. I promise a smooth transaction if you were to offer me one.
I think the member willing to come forward did the honorable thing and is worth of another chance.
Millertime
Complete Dime Set
https://www.smallcopperguy.com
<< <i>
<< <i>here is a simple rule that might help you out:
"deal w/ dealers"
K S >>
Agree. A coin dealer would never screw a collector.
you missed the point.
you can out a dealer by name w/out guilt
K S
Man ...It's no wonder people get ticked off..I thought that if you discussed terms on an item and agreed to a price that would be proper arangement for a deal.I know in the real world it is not.You need lawyers and witnesses and and certification seals to assure that the transaction is legal....BUT this is the BST...a closed group of collectors here and if the deal goes sour then it should be open for discussion...JMHO....
Protect yourselves.
Deal with people that have solid references
and that know how to communicate.
<< <i>... I think the member willing to come forward did the honorable thing and is worth of another chance. >>
Only difference, IMO, and it's a biggie.....there was communication.
<< <i>I've had a few members agree make deals and not follow through. I've never received a bounced check (yet
I have been guilty of this on a couple of occasions. It involved circumstances beyond my control that popped up suddenly, and the other party was always agreeable to the cancellation of the deal. I enjoy the respectful and trusting environment we have here...just hope it doesn't get ruined.
Not likely.
There's enough nation-wide pressure here that in the end, in every case I know of, even if the culprit has been outed & is biting & scratching, they seem to (eventually) make it right in the end.
Of course, there might be cases I don't know of.
[edit]
Smiley face inserted before I get flayed alive for that comment.
<< <i>It's just that the East Coast sucks and the West Coast rules. Folks on the East Coast will never get that.
[edit]
Smiley face inserted before I get flayed alive for that comment.
Hey...don't worry none... here in Joisey... we don't mess with flayin' ... we just put a pair of cement shoes on ya... and toss ya off the GWB...
<< <i>It's just that the East Coast sucks and the West Coast rules. Folks on the East Coast will never get that.
>>
What does he mean by that......????.....