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Lincoln Cents - 1955 DDO vs. 1909-S VDB

MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
If you were going to buy one or the other, which would you rather have?

Why?


I'm looking for answers in terms of the significance of the coin and your reasons for wanting to include the coin in your collection; not based on which coin is more valuable or expected to be a better investment. Assume same value, nice coin, no problems, etc., etc.
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  • Both are cool coins to own, but I think the 55DDO offers more 'story' for your money.
    The SVDB is just another coin, albeit one of the keys to the series, and the 55DDO is just a visual 'gotcha'!




    Regardless of price, I would go for the 55DDO.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭
    interesting choice to make. my first reaction was, pfft, overrated common
    stuff. I would only want one in high grade. A near top pop so I could
    show it off and make people jealous. You know, like some people
    do here with their collections.

    But after considering it I would go with the 55 DDO because even
    a layman could appreciate the novelty of it. It is easily explained and
    more interesting to look at then the first year key date which has
    this little VDB that one can barely see.

    55 for the win.
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    I find them equally neato and groovy, both rock !!
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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, If your collecting a set of Lincoln's, the 09 is considered a business strike, and the 55 an error. If you want a complete set of business strikes, you need the 09.

    WS
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, If your collecting a set of Lincoln's, the 09 is considered a business strike, and the 55 an error. If you want a complete set of business strikes, you need the 09.

    WS >>


    So is the 09 your final answer?

    What if you're not collecting a set of Lincolns and you just want one or the other?

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  • << <i>Well, If your collecting a set of Lincoln's, the 09 is considered a business strike, and the 55 an error. If you want a complete set of business strikes, you need the 09.

    WS >>



    ... and for that reason I would pick the S-VDB. It is the last Lincoln I need for my Dansco.

    Not to change the subject, but for similar reasons I will always have a blank planchet in the 22-plain hole. I like the album, but it is not a requirement for my complete set.
  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭
    Personally, I would go with the SVDB.

    The '55DDO is a classic variety and is high on the coolness scale. The biggest problem I have with these coins is their general appearance. The old hub was pretty worn down by this point and none of the Lincolns from this era have the detail of the earlier years. Also, many of the '55DDOs just lack eye appeal. Many of the near MS pieces are very unattractively toned.

    According to the price guide, for much less than the price of a higher grade '55DDO, you could buy a very handsome mint state 1909-SVDB. I would much rather look at an attractively toned, mint state SVDB than a similarly priced '55DDO. The SVDB is a classic early 20th Century "rarity" and shows the classic Lincoln cent as Brenner intended it to be.
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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I finished off my set with the SVDB... at this point I have no plans for the error coins. I'm going to finish IHCs instead...
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rub some calamine lotion on that itch and stick to colonials as it's far too easy to drift! image
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rub some calamine lotion on that itch and stick to colonials as it's far too easy to drift! image >>


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    But you didn't answer the question...
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No if your talking just one or the other, the 55 is tad scarcer, and pricer over all as low end specimens are harder to come by, but you can find the 09 in most grades. But I would still stick with the 09.

    WS
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  • I would vie for the 09-s VDB.

    THE Key Lincoln.

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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well NOW I'd rather buy a 55/55. Mainly because I already have the sVDB.

    But, since I purchased the sVDB first, I guess that answered the question in a relative way.
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would vie for the 09-s VDB.

    THE Key Lincoln.

    image >>



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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,469 ✭✭✭✭
    No brainer for me, the 55DDO since the quantity minted is unknown.

    The 09-S had 484,000 made.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No brainer for me, the 55DDO since the quantity minted is unknown.

    The 09-S had 484,000 made. >>


    Not to derail my own thread...but in 1955, then-Chief Coiner Sydney C. Engel estimated that between 20,000 and 24,000 of the 1955 DDOs were struck. I have read that Sol Taylor estimates 20,000 to 40,000 were struck.

    Of course, the actual quantity minted is indeed unknown but is almost certainly much less than the 09-S VDB.
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Both are cool coins to own, but I think the 55DDO offers more 'story' for your money.
    The SVDB is just another coin, albeit one of the keys to the series, and the 55DDO is just a visual 'gotcha'!




    Regardless of price, I would go for the 55DDO. >>



    image Seems like there are at least (50) '09-SVDB's available for every (1) '55 DDO.
    image...There's always time for coin collecting. image
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People who do not collect coins still find the 55 DDO a show stopper.

    Foreign collectors would look twice at the 55 DDO and pass on the S-VDB (my assumption).

    The 55 DDO is a freakin cool coin no matter how you cut it.

    Most people who would pick the S-VDB have one and really want a 55 DDO (again- my assumption).

    People who own a high grade example of a 55 DDO are usually
    much better looking than people who don't (need I say again -my assumption)

    Get the 55 DDO.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I like to buy stuff based on a coolness scale:

    1909s vdb -boring

    1955 DDO -very cool

    1955 for the win!
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  • the sVDB can be beautiful, 55DDO to me is an unattractive coin due to the poor state of the hub - i'm passing on the 55DDO

    (but for some reason I am really attracted to the 72DDO and am always looking)
    "spot on my UHR, nevermind, I wiped it off"
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>the sVDB can be beautiful, 55DDO to me is an unattractive coin due to the poor state of the hub - i'm passing on the 55DDO >>



    Surely you jest....
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    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like my copper gem MS65RD+

    The '09-SVDB in that grade was a pretty big purchase for me and the '55 DDO at that level just isnt' going to happen.
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like my copper gem MS65RD+

    The '09-SVDB in that grade was a pretty big purchase for me and the '55 DDO at that level just isnt' going to happen. >>


    Aww... It's just $40,000.

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,469 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>No brainer for me, the 55DDO since the quantity minted is unknown.

    The 09-S had 484,000 made. >>


    Not to derail my own thread...but in 1955, then-Chief Coiner Sydney C. Engel estimated that between 20,000 and 24,000 of the 1955 DDOs were struck. I have read that Sol Taylor estimates 20,000 to 40,000 were struck.

    Of course, the actual quantity minted is indeed unknown but is almost certainly much less than the 09-S VDB. >>



    I'll take an estimated 40,000 over a definite 484,000 enyday. image

    Besides, the 09-SVDB is just aniother low mintage coin whereas the 55/55 was never meant to be!
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1955 DDO..............well at least that's what I have been looking at latleyimage
    1909-S is nice but the 55 is cool looking and keeps my attention span goingimage

  • << I like my copper gem MS65RD+

    The '09-SVDB in that grade was a pretty big purchase for me and the '55 DDO at that level just isnt' going to happen. >>


    <<Aww... It's just $40,000.>>


    Try to find a truly nice piece at that price in that grade...image


    <<the sVDB can be beautiful, 55DDO to me is an unattractive coin due to the poor state of the hub>>

    Youre crazy!


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  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No question, I'd go 55DDO. I'd love to find a nice original chocolate brown MS65BN example. 20 times or more rarer than the 09SVDB, and a WAY more interesting coin.
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, I've been in your shoes on this in the last few years.
    I don't collect lincolns (have some but don't do the whole series).

    Wanted some keys....decided on a MS63BN 55/55 that looked nice (had a AU58, sold it because, while it was nice, wanted MS.)
    Saw a dozen, or so, examples at FUN '05. Most of the AU were priced MS62ish, and the MS61/62 coins were NOT nice ones (carbon spotted, etc) and they still wanted top money.

    Went through one 55/55 that was darker than what I would like.

    Worked with Mark Feld and he found me a VERY nicely toned NGC 55/55 in MS63BN. I had a filler with PCGS later and put it in the slot. It is now a PCGS MS63BN.

    Since then, I decided to get a '09svdb (again, thanks to Mark's help) and got a MS64RB for less than the 55/55.
    I like them both. More importantly, my son likes them both.

    If I could only have 1...it would be the 55/55. As mentioned, it is just a cool coin that almost anyone can appreciate (and, I have shown both around my work and the 55/55 stands out to everyone...the '09svdb has to be explained and even then it is just "mmmm...ok".)

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1955 DDO hands down.

    -- My birth year.
    -- Among most obvious errors in all of numismatics.
    -- Off-the-chart popularity.
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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    y old 55DDO. The finest one I've ever seen, up against many other 65RDs and two 65RBs. All this in a 64RD package, that I would own again in an instant!
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    ........i'd take the one with the sticker.image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 55DDO is a far more interesting coin.

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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another OUTSTANDING example from the ESM collection. So far, the only one I've even seen a picture of that I like better than my old one above:
    image
  • NOW THOSE ARE 55DDO's!


    Great coins and images!
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only way to go, is the 55 DDO. image
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    ......i would imagine there are fewer 55's than the s-vdb so i'll go for that.imageimage
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  • MowgliMowgli Posts: 1,219
    I have MS 63s of both coins and the 55 DDO is far more interesting to anyone who looks at both coins. Even people who do not collect find the 55 fascinating. It has nothing to do with rarity or cost but simply how it looks. and the story of how it got that way.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting results...this should have been a poll thread. So far...

    15.5 chose the 55 DDO

    8.5 chose the S-VDB

    (The .5 is for the poster who likes them both equally.)
  • I love Lincolns. I love the 55DD. The 09s vdb does nothing for me.
  • HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1955DDO. Way more fun than the SVDB.
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    the 55 ddo has much more mass-appeal
    love em both but, if i had to choose, the dd would win
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a Lincoln collector, I have both, a 62 and 65. If I could only have one it would be the S-VDB. The DDO is an interesting anomaly. But it is just an error coin.
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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like an earlier poster, I also have the 09 SVDB.

    I would go for the 55/55. The thing I've always liked about the 55/55 is that you don't need a loupe to see the error. It is obvious. Cool looking coin.

    The 1909 SVBD is currently 100 years old exactly, so I think that the prices may be temporarily inflated.

    Bottom line: I would go the 55/55 - but I think that either would be a good investment, if you are willing to hold them for awhile.

  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    The 1955 DDO is a coin that impresses people who dont collect.

    I still get a shiver when I see a great image of one.
  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If impressing non-collectors is the goal, wouldn't a double-struck Lincoln work even better than a 1955 DDO? It would certainly be cheaper.

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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If impressing non-collectors is the goal, wouldn't a double-struck Lincoln work even better than a 1955 DDO? It would certainly be cheaper. >>


    Impressing non-collectors is NOT the goal...but it could be a nice result of your choice between the two coins.

    There is no specific goal other than responding to an extreme scenario in which you can choose either a 55 DDO or an 09-S VDB for your collection...but not both.

    I'm curious about which coin collectors appreciate most.
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you're looking for a good investment (regardless of your initial intentions) then make sure you get a coin that you never tire of looking at. Regardless of the grade, it should jump out at you and make you stare in wonder. IMO, this is a bit more easily achieved with a 55DDO, as the coin has a way of making your eyes feel all twirly. I used to have a 64RB SVDB in an NGC holder that did the same thing for me, but I traded it in on a boring old 65RD PCGS coin that rarely got a second look.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    55 DDO. Much rarer and way cooler than an S-VDB. image


  • << <i>
    <<the sVDB can be beautiful, 55DDO to me is an unattractive coin due to the poor state of the hub>>

    Youre crazy!


    image >>



    Ok, yes the finest know examples of the 55DDO are attractive - I can admit that .

    At my level of collecting these (60-63 BN or RB) I still like the portrait detail and look of the 09sVDB compared to the wow factor and poor portrait detail of 55ddo. So if the OP ran the zoo and forced me to own only one - the '09 is it.

    Edited for spelling.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,503 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So if the OP ran the zoo... >>


    Things would be mighty different around here, I tell ya!

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