This just screams "AT." When I come across a dealer whose entire inventory consists of amazingly toned coins, I have to wonder how exactly they all got that way and found their merry path to his collection. And no offense to the seller if he is a forum member, but even the name suggests a coin doctor. "Chameleon coins auctions," give me a break.
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<< <i>This just screams "AT." When I come across a dealer whose entire inventory consists of amazingly toned coins, I have to wonder how exactly they all got that way and found their merry path to his collection. And no offense to the seller if he is a forum member, but even the name suggests a coin doctor. "Chameleon coins auctions," give me a break. >>
I dont personally know if he is a coin doctor or not. Accusing someone of being a coin doctor simply because they choose to sell only toned coins is very ignorant IMO. 95% of what I choose to deal in and sell is toned morgans. I personally love them more than any other coin therfore I choose to deal in them mainly, does that make me a coin doctor?? I wouldnt know how to doctor a coin if my life depended on it. I simply choose to buy toned morgans because its what I collect. I think I have bought a total of one uncertifed coin in my life and guess what, it was a toned morgan. I guess sunnywood is a coin doctor because he put together a whole set of toned morgans as well as a whole other set of toned coins??
I would suggest learning about coin photography before accusing a coin of being artificially toned. Often times a person will simply adjust the saturation and contrast on a photo to make the coin appear better than it actually is. Once a photo has been adjusted too much often times it will give the coin an artificially toned look.
Like I said I dont know if this coin is artificially toned or not as I just dont know the series enough to judge how they tone.
I have bought 2 coins from this seller, and this will probably make him mad even though its a semi vouche for him. The coins I got looked ridiculous in his pictures, but 1 was were very nice in hand the other was OK and not AT for sure. Ill post an example here. I think he's just a bad picture taker/juicer, but in hand his coins are nice.
I bought a raw toned coin from a dealer I would trust to the n-th degree-
I suspect the coin stayed raw out of a feeling it would be pronounced AT'd, regardless of its history and handling- I bought it simply because I loved the coin.
If these are certified, I have no argument.
BTW and off-topic: my icon coin is a soty-toner .... I love it. I can make it more intense...
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After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
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<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw
<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw >>
And what if someone who does know something about toned coins says the same thing?
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<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw >>
And what if someone who does know something about toned coins says the same thing? >>
I dont know anything about coins, and rarely does anyone who does agree with me. So Im gonna call your bluff and say this never happens.
<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw >>
And what if someone who does know something about toned coins says the same thing? >>
Speaking of this coin I dont think that would be the case. Like one of your previously stated messages this coin is in fact juiced. If someone was to call this coin Artificially toned based on that image alone would be ignorant. When trying to determine artificially toned coins from naturally toned coins you need more then a juiced image. Even pcgs gets it wrong sometimes and they can see the darn thing in hand. Its very tough to determine toning sometimes, but attempting to call out a coin in a pcgs holder based on a juiced image doesnt seem like that would be something a knowlegable collector would do.
I know there has been issues with this seller as far as images go, and what the coin actually looks like. I just hate to see people bash an entire inventory based on the fact they are toned. I deal in 98% toned coins only and I would hate to see someone call my coins artificially toned based on thats most of what I deal in. Ofcourse I dont juice my images, and have never had someone call a coin of mine artificially toned.
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<< <i>This just screams "AT." When I come across a dealer whose entire inventory consists of amazingly toned coins, I have to wonder how exactly they all got that way and found their merry path to his collection. And no offense to the seller if he is a forum member, but even the name suggests a coin doctor. "Chameleon coins auctions," give me a break. >>
I dont personally know if he is a coin doctor or not. Accusing someone of being a coin doctor simply because they choose to sell only toned coins is very ignorant IMO. 95% of what I choose to deal in and sell is toned morgans. I personally love them more than any other coin therfore I choose to deal in them mainly, does that make me a coin doctor?? I wouldnt know how to doctor a coin if my life depended on it. I simply choose to buy toned morgans because its what I collect. I think I have bought a total of one uncertifed coin in my life and guess what, it was a toned morgan. I guess sunnywood is a coin doctor because he put together a whole set of toned morgans as well as a whole other set of toned coins??
I would suggest learning about coin photography before accusing a coin of being artificially toned. Often times a person will simply adjust the saturation and contrast on a photo to make the coin appear better than it actually is. Once a photo has been adjusted too much often times it will give the coin an artificially toned look.
Like I said I dont know if this coin is artificially toned or not as I just dont know the series enough to judge how they tone.
Seller pic:
Pic in hand(coin on the left)
I suspect the coin stayed raw out of a feeling it would be pronounced AT'd, regardless of its history and handling- I bought it simply because I loved the coin.
If these are certified, I have no argument.
BTW and off-topic: my icon coin is a soty-toner .... I love it. I can make it more intense...
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<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw
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<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw >>
And what if someone who does know something about toned coins says the same thing?
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<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw >>
And what if someone who does know something about toned coins says the same thing? >>
I dont know anything about coins, and rarely does anyone who does agree with me. So Im gonna call your bluff and say this never happens.
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<< <i>After looking at the rest of the list of coins this seller has, I think I'll pass on the Jeffersons.
Steve >>
This is exactly my issue with unknowlegable people calling items Artificially toned. Like I said I dont know about the initiall coin. I only buy certified coins, if you choose to buy raw you take a HUGE risk. But for someone who clearly knows nothing about toned coins to go around and start calling pcgs certified coins artificially toned is just plain ignorant- Directed at dcw >>
And what if someone who does know something about toned coins says the same thing? >>
Speaking of this coin I dont think that would be the case. Like one of your previously stated messages this coin is in fact juiced. If someone was to call this coin Artificially toned based on that image alone would be ignorant. When trying to determine artificially toned coins from naturally toned coins you need more then a juiced image. Even pcgs gets it wrong sometimes and they can see the darn thing in hand. Its very tough to determine toning sometimes, but attempting to call out a coin in a pcgs holder based on a juiced image doesnt seem like that would be something a knowlegable collector would do.
I know there has been issues with this seller as far as images go, and what the coin actually looks like. I just hate to see people bash an entire inventory based on the fact they are toned. I deal in 98% toned coins only and I would hate to see someone call my coins artificially toned based on thats most of what I deal in. Ofcourse I dont juice my images, and have never had someone call a coin of mine artificially toned.
I doesnt have to be "juiced" to appear more vibrant.
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