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Why would Ebay pull this Mickey Mantle cut signature auction?
frankhardy
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I listed this auction and Ebay just pulled it. Why? There was not anything questionable in the description. I listed this as -
MICKEY MANTLE Cut Signature GAI COA
Here are the scans that I posted with it.
MICKEY MANTLE Cut Signature GAI COA
Here are the scans that I posted with it.
Shane
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Shane
Those are just the obvious "tells" I see with your autograph. A real mick doesn't stop and change directions on the Y, and never loops inwards towards the K without going outwards first. Also, the K and the Y are never that close together, almost like they're about to touch. Here is a link to a real one, look specifically how it goes from the A to the N in mantle. real I don't know, if it is real, it certainly is one I'd stay away from. I can see why it could get taken down.
edit:: one more for you, this one was authenticated by GAI and The Score Board Inc, one of the companies that were named in Operation Bullpen. ebay. That one is also very similar to the one you posted.
Mike
its ridiculous
go to myccsa.com type in Mantle, look at the GAI ones and the non authenticated ones. SAME FORGED AUTOGRAPH
Baker and the rest of GAI should be in jail for all the fake signatures they are authenticating. Several months ago I emailed the new owner of GAI about all the forgeries. He claimed GAI was authenticating real signatures and the COA's were being changed after they left GAI's hands. GAI has brought the price down of real Mantle, Williams, DiMaggio, etc. autos down as some people think they are getting a real Mick auto for $100 bucks and the real PSA/DNA ones sit unsold at $300
Shane
Mickey never got to the bottom of his Y, stopped, and then came up to the K with a straight line, it would be one motion looping in towards the Y-- no sharp edges. Yours does not conform to that idea.
<< <i>Baker and the rest of GAI should be in jail for all the fake signatures they are authenticating. Several months ago I emailed the new owner of GAI about all the forgeries. He claimed GAI was authenticating real signatures and the COA's were being changed after they left GAI's hands. GAI has brought the price down of real Mantle, Williams, DiMaggio, etc. autos down as some people think they are getting a real Mick auto for $100 bucks and the real PSA/DNA ones sit unsold at $300 >>
I agree, earlycal^^.
Yes, frankhardy, that GAI Mantle autograph is a forgery/fake.
Edited to fix spelling/wording.
There just rendering an "opinion"
<< <i>well the authenticators are not liable for their opinions, so nothing can be done. How do you think STAT still authenticates?
There just rendering an "opinion" >>
I think most of us realize that, but that still doesn't change our opinions of where these folks should be. In my opinion, they should be in jail, or stop authenticating, if they don't have a clue as to what they are doing. If the right inside person would come forward and testify in a court of law about what they know, there could very well be some criminal charges brought forward..
Steve
Baker and the rest of GAI should be in jail for all the fake signatures they are authenticating. Several months ago I emailed the new owner of GAI about all the forgeries.
Isn't Baker the new owner?
Steve
<< <i>The thing is they think they have a clue just like you do.
Steve >>
Oh, my personal troll is back. You know what, Steve, how about just give the personal vendetta a rest? There is not need for this garbage, unless you just want to take the board down another notch. Let's stay away from the cheap shots and discuss the subject at hand. Any time you or anyone else on here wants to take me up on a challenge on Mantle auctographs, go right ahead. A fair share of highly respected members of this forum know that I know my stuff on Mantle autographs, and I have been accurateeach time I have been tested on here. Members have pm'ed or emailed me to state just that, and many still come to me for quick opinions before they buy Mantle stuff that they plan to send to PSA or JSA to be authenticated. I have been accurate each and every time. My reputation on that matter stands for its self.
You need to give it a rest.
I simply said that they THINK they have a clue. Or do you have proof that THEY are authenticating
bogus autos on purpose?
And are you saying you don't have a clue? Because that was not what I was saying.
I was simply saying they think they have a clue just like you!
Steve
<< <i>Baker is the owner of Global Authority, Inc. Its a completely different company from Global Authentication. >>
I am confident in what I know, and have a positive track record to back it.
you said each and everyone was ok?
Why don't you tell everyone about that?
Steve
they are doing. It is not reasonable to think they could
have put so many bad ones out by "mistake."
Based on STM's record of picking real ones, I would
trust his opinion LONG before I would trust GAI.
The Feds really need to get deeper into this mess.
As noted, the fakes are killing the sales of the real
ones.
Steve
<< <i>I think they DO have a clue, AND know exactly what
they are doing. It is not reasonable to think they could
have put so many bad ones out by "mistake."
Based on STM's record of picking real ones, I would
trust his opinion LONG before I would trust GAI.
The Feds really need to get deeper into this mess.
As noted, the fakes are killing the sales of the real
ones. >>
Thank you for being honest and fair, Storm.
Steve
I guess that sorta goes under it takes one to know one.
Steve
You are nothing more that a liar who has a vendetta and wants to use this thread as a way to troll for a fight. If the members of this forum cared about building a better board, they would ask you to stop the nonsense. Many decent members wonder why there are less and less threads of substance, and more members not coming here, your actions in this thread show exactly why it is. You started this nonsense. I did not. Stop being a LIAR, and trolling for a fight.
Patrick
Ahhh the thing is I still have the PM's I can prove you lied.
Can you prove I did?
The bottom line is you don't know all you say you do. I purposely
showed you 3 bogus autos one night and you said each one was good!
Then when I said they were know fakes you tried to spin your way out of it.
Is your memory that bad?
Steve
What about a spouse signing or a sibling. If you were not there you cant be 100% sure.
I guess thats why I stayed away from that aspect of the hobby.
There are just so many fakes its unreal. I watched a show some time back where the best forgery got thru PSA/ JSA all of them. And the guy signing was some 50 something old man in the back of a room that got paid thousands to do it.
So, If you have it and believe it to be real then thats all that really matters I guess.
You just have a problem when you try to sell. Thats the downside.
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<< <i>You mean like how you lied about me couple weeks ago?
Ahhh the thing is I still have the PM's I can prove you lied.
Can you prove I did?
The bottom line is you don't know all you say you do. I purposely
showed you 3 bogus autos one night and you said each one was good!
Then when I said they were know fakes you tried to spin your way out of it.
Is your memory that bad?
Steve >>
Once again, ALL LIES. You are making up flat out lies just to have something to troll for a fight. I guess 21,873 posts just shows what type of life you lead. Get real, and stop lying.
Agreed unless you are there in person and see it being signed no one can be 100% certain
that an item is legit.
What is bad is sigs of deceased person where you can't be there (anymore)
Steve
<< <i>Mickey's M and I are usually never connected. The fakes generally have them too close together or in one motion without the break. Very rarely did he go straight into the I >>
possible that this could be real then?
Steve
Steve, can you PM me the pics?
The ones that i sent to Stan that night? I no longer have them. I did not know that I would need them 2 years later.
We used email that night, not PM. They were Mantle, DiMaggio and Koufax. All bogus and he said they were all good.
Steve
<< <i>Stan no problem, you can deny all you want. You can act as if it never happened. I know it did.
Steve >>
You can continue to be the big fat liar you are, Steve. The story you made up never happened, but your hatred for me just could not resist coming into this thread and trolling me into a fight.. Now, the thread is derailed, and here we are. No wonder the content of this board continues to drop. Decent members get tired of this stuff, Steve. If I can't post in a thread, while trying to talk about the hobby, without people like you coming in and picking a fight over past personal vendettas, then this place is pretty much useless to people who want to talk about the hobby. We don't like each other, but I don't come into threads where you are talking about the hobby and start a fight with you out of the clear blue. 21,000+ posts from a man who apparently has no life outside of living on here, while holding onto his cheap grudges.
GAI knows exactly what they are doing - their authenticating business is no better, probably worse, than PRO or GEM is at grading cards. at least with pro or gem you may get a real card but altered. with GAI the autos are fake - at least the big names which have flooded the market over the past year. they are desperate for business and will take anything for revenue.
You said 5 posts ago you were not going to reply yet here you are replying.
I remember that night like it was yesterday. Like you I did not think I'd need to prove it
2 years later.
Steve
<< <i>Nope the auto is fake.
Steve, can you PM me the pics? >>
The pics never happened. Steve made up that story as a way to stir it up and try to make me look bad. He may send you some pics, but I never gave any opinions on any autographs for Steve. The pathetic liar just wants to make me look bad, like I don't know what I am talking about. I know eactly what he is trying to do. It's sad that some folks have to live their lives the way Steve is going about this, just to try and get even for a past grudge.
<< <i>Stan you can deny it all you want. I was there, I sent you the pics via email.
You said 5 posts ago you were not going to reply yet here you are replying.
I remember that night like it was yesterday. Like you I did not think I'd need to prove it
2 years later.
Steve >>
Excuse me for jumping in the middle of this - but I just want to say....
Steve has the best memory for what goes on here than anyone I know - that you can take to the bank. I barely remember what I had for breakfast!!!
mike
Not nice is it?
Steve
<< <i>
<< <i>Stan you can deny it all you want. I was there, I sent you the pics via email.
You said 5 posts ago you were not going to reply yet here you are replying.
I remember that night like it was yesterday. Like you I did not think I'd need to prove it
2 years later.
Steve >>
Excuse me for jumping in the middle of this - but I just want to say....
Steve has the best memory for what goes on here than anyone I know - that you can take to the bank. I barely remember what I had for breakfast!!!
mike >>
That's just it, stone. Some of you guys are friends, and since steve is liked on here, and lives on here, he thinks that give him the power/advantage to discredit me with lies that he is trying to convince people are real, all becuase he wants to do a character assasination of sorts on me. It's a way he can get even. It a sick way to be, but that is the reality of the situation.
His old cronies?
Steve