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21-D Walker.....give a numerical grade please

guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,283 ✭✭✭
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While this coin is holdered now by our host's plastic, I wanted to see what grade the forum masses agreed upon for this nice coin. Thanks for the input.


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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    f15/vf20
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  • oxy8890oxy8890 Posts: 1,416 ✭
    Not a walker expert but I would go with F-12
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  • GeomanGeoman Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭
    I'll guess F-12 also.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I'll say they said F-15. I'd lean more toward 12 in terms of wear, but better dates sometimes get a little bump and this one is VERY nice for the technical grade, so... F-15.
  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F-15
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fine-12 is a lock, but I think F15 is more likely. Nice coin!
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  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    F-15
  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    F-15
  • LRCTomLRCTom Posts: 857 ✭✭✭
    F-12, very nice for the grade.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    f12
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  • yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    Nice natural coin. F-15.
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  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice half.....
    15

    The more I look at it, the more I see a 20......
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,283 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice half.....
    15

    The more I look at it, the more I see a 20...... >>






    The more I look at it, the more I know it's a solid Fine. They slabbed it a VG10. I was shocked, but what can you do?





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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For a circulated coin it's one of the cleanest i've seen.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At first glance it looks F12 to me.
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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    12
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,003 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The more I look at it, the more I know it's a solid Fine. They slabbed it a VG10. I was shocked, but what can you do? >>



    That grade is robbery. If it was my coin I'd already be filling out the regrade submission form.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825 ✭
    12
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That grade is robbery. If it was my coin I'd already be filling out the regrade submission form. >>

    Time to pay the tax.
  • Kdog08Kdog08 Posts: 771
    I was shocked when Wes sent me the message telling me it came back as a VG-10 when it first was certified. I graded it at least Fine-12 with a shot of 15.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I was going to guess VG10, but only because I have this 1921-S VG10:

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,579 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I was shocked when Wes sent me the message telling me it came back as a VG-10 when it first was certified. >>


    Yep, me too....but again, I was also the one that told him to keep it in the album he was building image
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Nice half.....
    15

    The more I look at it, the more I see a 20...... >>






    The more I look at it, the more I know it's a solid Fine. They slabbed it a VG10. I was shocked, but what can you do? >>



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  • supertoothsupertooth Posts: 274 ✭
    Wes---- I know the answer but most guys just don"t seem to be listening. At the present moment, both NGC and PCGS are grading extremely tight. While your coin would "normally" grade a fine12---IMHO----it got hit the two points because the coin simply "IS NOT" totally original old patina. If you look under the "United" and the "States", you will see that the coin was at one time helped along a "tiny" bit. The obverse is the same way. While the coin is still VERY NICE, both PCGS and NGC are NOT letting these coins through these days without a certain penalty.

    I know this----because it has happened to me. Even the lower graded Walkers have got to be "all there" to achieve the grades that we have become accustomed to in the past. IMHO, both services are grading as they SHOULD have been grading all along. It is as if they both want "every" coin to get a football.

    All of us just have to adjust our buying----in order to reflect this grading. JMHO of course. Bob [supertooth]
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 21-D looks a tad better than the 21-S does to me. So if the 21-S is a VG10 the 21-D should get the F12 nod.

    JMHO
  • SirAnthonyACSirAnthonyAC Posts: 646
    Hi,

    It's very close to this PCGS VF20 example:
    PCGS 1921 VF20 for Sale on Ebay

    I was going to guess 30 to a 35.... no matter what, that is one nice coin!
  • hammered54hammered54 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Nice half.....
    15

    The more I look at it, the more I see a 20...... >>






    The more I look at it, the more I know it's a solid Fine. They slabbed it a VG10. I was shocked, but what can you do? >>



    no ship... I send it back and tell them to regrade it ....this time with there eye's open. that's just BS.
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    supertooth, although I agree with your synopsis with the grading services on this 21-D Walker, I still think it would sell raw any day of the week as a Fine 12.

    Your still taking your chances these days by sending the coin into professionals to assess it for a consensus grade, it just might come back lower than expectations.

    Both sides appear to have an even wear on the highest points, but I did give it bonus points for not having any significant bag marks, scratches or rim dings. One of the things that did concern me was the fact that the tops of the date numbers are beginning to blend into the ground, but looking at the sandal you can still make out the straps…so the coin has plenty of pros, but it also has its cons.

    It is still a handsom Walker no matter how the grading services slice it.

    Thanks for sharing guitarwes.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a nice f12 still on my watch list.

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    I like the look, it has a nice even color to it.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,579 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>While the coin is still VERY NICE, both PCGS and NGC are NOT letting these coins through these days without a certain penalty, etc... >>


    Hi Bob -
    though I do not doubt your logic or your recent experience, I know this coin was slabbed about 18 months ago...
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,283 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is a nice f12 still on my watch list.

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    Seeing the coin I posted that graded a VG10, would people be skiddish of buying this one at full Fine price? Looks as if mine has a touch more detail.

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  • PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    I would buy it a F12 $ all day long. The reverse is a 15 and the obverse is solid.
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  • JMWJMW Posts: 497 ✭
    I thought 12 at first, but with those solid rims and detail coming into to the bodice, it's a solid 15. Great coin!
  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The more I look at it, the more I know it's a solid Fine. They slabbed it a VG10. I was shocked, but what can you do? >>



    That grade is robbery. If it was my coin I'd already be filling out the regrade submission form. >>



    I don't understand this way of thinking. It just baffles me.
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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    f-15

    K S
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Nice half.....
    15

    The more I look at it, the more I see a 20...... >>






    The more I look at it, the more I know it's a solid Fine. They slabbed it a VG10. I was shocked, but what can you do? >>

    crack it out of course!

    K S
  • corvette4corvette4 Posts: 93

    That is a nice F12-15 graded as a VG10 IMHO. This happens now, and has happened over the years where on one submission it is a F15 and on the next submission it is a VG10. I have some $20 SGs graded MS64 that don't come anywhere near some of my MS63s. Of course, the key is to find the undergraded and purchase as such. It makes you smile everytime you check your collection.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This member of the masses votes Fine-12.
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  • Norseman88Norseman88 Posts: 962
    That coin is not a VG-10 it is a F-15.
  • 50cents50cents Posts: 1,320
    That is a nice keydate and would look great in my collection, I could care less what the plastic said image

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