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Fake JM 10 oz bar?

carscars Posts: 1,904
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I noticed this bar today listed on eBay. For some reason it looked strange to me at first glance. I then noticed the reverse is blank. Out of all the JM bars I've owned and viewed I've never seen a JM bar with a blank reverse unless the Assayers Refiners was listed first on the bar. I wonder if this bar is a fake or if its a newer bar.
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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    He says it's in the original foil, so where's the foil in the pictures? And to a novice like me, it looks genuine!


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  • Weather11amWeather11am Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭
    Has anyone seen really good fake JM or engelhard Ag bars?
  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    If this bar is fake I would say its a pretty good fake other than the blank reverse. I may purchase the bar to confirm or deny my suspicions.

    Here are bars that should have JM repeating logo reverse:
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    These type JM bars do have a blank reverse:
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    it does look kind of funny. buy it and have it tested. Could be legit.
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭
    Rick....you are simply a JM STUDimage
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't like it at all. There is something very "off" about it. But he has sold a 10 oz recently that looks legit ( 170302886530)

    If you check out his other sales, almost everything has that insanely deep proof-like finish.

    Maybe he's liquidating a collection for someone who just liked everything whizzed.
    Maybe he's selling silver plated chinese crap.
    Maybe he's just hyper-juicing his images.

    Or maybe it's legit and I'm just paranoid.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,232 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He says it's in the original foil, so where's the foil in the pictures? >>



    Maybe he has several to sell and took one out of the foil to photograph and will ship the winning bidder one in the original foil?



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  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭

    > Maybe he has several to sell and took one out of the foil to photograph and will ship the winning bidder one in the original foil?


    He has this in the auction:

    "This bar you will get is the one in the picture and has the serial number 121047. This bar came in the original plastic wrapper and was removed for cleaning."

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,232 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>> Maybe he has several to sell and took one out of the foil to photograph and will ship the winning bidder one in the original foil?


    He has this in the auction:

    "This bar you will get is the one in the picture and has the serial number 121047. This bar came in the original plastic wrapper and was removed for cleaning." >>



    Sounds like it had some tarnish and he dipped it to make it easier to sell.


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  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    Must have left iin the dip too long and removed the design from the reverse.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,232 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Must have left iin the dip too long and removed the design from the reverse. >>

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  • SilverBaronSilverBaron Posts: 767 ✭
    I have 3 10's with blank backs..... and yes.....they are good.

    The blank backs were the very first of the die struck bars.........

    They were made for a VERY SHORT WHILE!!

    I believe that this bar is good....... butttt tough to find.



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  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    Do they say JM or AR on top of the bar?
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    I have a few of the JM 10's with the plain back sealed in plastic and they are legit. They came with both the 'FINE SILVER 999' logo in the long rectangle and the one that was more of a square.
  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    Can one of you provide pics please?

    Thanks
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    good bar
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  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭
    Sold many blank back 10 ozers.

    We know JM struck blank back 5 gram , 10 gram bars etc, so it would be illogical
    to think that blank back 10 ozers are fake.

    Not to mention the fact that they nailed the front, only to forget to press the back.
    Why the whole operation may have been compromised! image

    Also the seller moves lots of quality Silver bars on eBay.

    Loves me some shiny!
  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    JM Struck blank reverse 5, 10 Gram 1, 2, 5, 10 oz bars but they are a different style. This is the first blank reverse JM bar I've seen of this style. People do stupid things
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