<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
I just got a code 91 today, but mine says "questionable color". To me, that would be different & better than "artificial color". Wouldn't there be a code for both? Am I way off?
<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
I just got a code 91 today, but mine says "questionable color". To me, that would be different & better than "artificial color". Wouldn't there be a code for both? Am I way off? >>
Too bad some dumb***t made a numismatic abortion out of a nice coin. I don't know how many hundreds, possibly thousands of Unc. SLQs I've seen, and I've never seen one which was naturally / album toned like that example.
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As mentioned, PCGS did the right thing with a 91 on a Genuine holder.
The only thing wrong with that auction is the auction itself! Too much BS text for terms and conditions. That, alone, would, and has, made me RUN and RUN quickly away from sellers like that.
"If you want a positive, leave a positive. Our system will respond in like kind. " ---- Only a tool puts that in.
"We have never left a negative for someone who left us a positive. " --- Only a BIGGER tool puts something like that in.
Not a seller I would want to even attempt to deal with as they obviously have problems, aren't on the up and up, and are trying to put a few scares in.
Pcgs determind this coin to be Genuine. So the color doesn't have nothing to do with the real nature of the coin. That's why No grade was given or like before a body bag.
A nice Genuine U.S. COin. PCGS!
I like this new angle. No TPG service should ever take your money for a fee to get expert advice. They should of never sent your coin back in a body just because it was altered in anyway.
I really don't think the average Joe ever wanted a unexpected grade. I always thought they wanted to make sure their coin was legit and GENUINE. I honestly think many TPG's lost many huge $$$ because of the way the looked at their policy.
Now I hope they are reading this, maybe they can give back a free coupon to some small timers that signed up for a year and had mostly body bagged coins. It shouldn't be a expensive lesson for the newbie when that only asked and paid for a expert opinion in the first place.
I must admit that it is going to take awhile for me to get used to obvious AT coins in PCGS plastic. My first instinct like the OP was they blew it again and only then did I see the "Genuine".
I really hope PCGS will wake up, and describe the darn defect on the holder IN PLAIN ENGLISH, otherwise there will be a lot more shenanigans like this on eBay, leading to people getting cheated by assuming it's a good coin "because it's PCGS." Will the PCGS label come into disrepute among some buyers, causing the value of other PCGS coins to drop? Evidently, it's a gamble PCGS is willing to take.
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<< <i>I really hope PCGS will wake up, and describe the darn defect on the holder IN PLAIN ENGLISH, otherwise there will be a lot more shenanigans like this on eBay, leading to people getting cheated by assuming it's a good coin "because it's PCGS." Will the PCGS label come into disrepute among some buyers, causing the value of other PCGS coins to drop? Evidently, it's a gamble PCGS is willing to take. >>
It says Not Gradable in plain English on the back of the slab. That should raise plenty of questions to even the inexperienced. I do see your point though. Selling the coin as target toned when the toning is AT as all get out is kind of deceitful.
Recently the same seller had a pricey Walker in a PCGS "genuine" holder, and had the gall to put their own MS grade in the listing title! Someone sent them an email about this being wrong and received an arrogant reply, but the listing disappeared shortly thereafter.
<< <i>I really hope PCGS will wake up, and describe the darn defect on the holder IN PLAIN ENGLISH, otherwise there will be a lot more shenanigans like this on eBay, leading to people getting cheated by assuming it's a good coin "because it's PCGS." Will the PCGS label come into disrepute among some buyers, causing the value of other PCGS coins to drop? Evidently, it's a gamble PCGS is willing to take. >>
It says Not Gradable in plain English on the back of the slab. That should raise plenty of questions to even the inexperienced. I do see your point though. Selling the coin as target toned when the toning is AT as all get out is kind of deceitful. >>
If PCGS can put Not Gradable in plain English on the back of the slab, they can give the reason for that in plain English on the front of the slab. Other TPGs do so, and to not to do so is just plain dumb, in my opinion.
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This is exactly the reason why I didn't want to see PCGS slab problem coins with the PCGS name. We'll start seeing more and more of these when we search for "PCGS" on eBay and elsewhere, and like ANACS, we'll have to weed through an increasing number of problems to find "good" coins.
At least they did it right ATS when they "quarantined" problem coins with a different service name. IMO, PCGS should have done the same.
I wouldn't go as far as melting this genuine coin, just because of the artificial toning. It still has some value and has more detail than a worn example which is worth only melt.
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I can't help but laugh. Everyone complains for years about body bags and says PCGS should holder them as genuine. Now PCGS holders them as genuine and everyone complains because they are doing it wrong. Look, they are doing it exactly right for their customers...dealers. And dealers don't want all that negative stuff on the label.
<< <i>I can't help but laugh. Everyone complains for years about body bags and says PCGS should holder them as genuine. Now PCGS holders them as genuine and everyone complains because they are doing it wrong. >>
Everyone? I've long felt PCGS should have a service like NCS where they authenticate and slab problem coins. They would not be graded, they could be used in the PCGS registry and they would get the PCGS authenticity guarantee. The one thing they would NOT be, though, is branded PCGS.
<< <i> And dealers don't want all that negative stuff on the label. >>
I think the collectors don't want it more. Dealers only care if buyers care.
But this instance of a guy trying to be very misleading with a genuine slab and charging non-problem money for the coin (and then some) makes me think that PCGS may have to address it somehow. --Jerry
1. PCGS doesn't, but should, state on the slab why it was not grade worthy. 2. eBay searches for PCGS are now going to turn up coins most collectors may not want to see.
Another thought...once ebay gets their normal half wrong understanding of what is going on here they might ban the sale of PCGS Genuine coins on ebay.--Jerry
<< <i>However it is frustrating that PCGS still won't list why it's "Genuine" and not graded. "PCGS Genuine - Artificial Toning" would be MUCH better. >>
It would be better, but it would still turn up these problem coins when you search for "PCGS."
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Code 91 is probably a surfaces or color code (they published them here a few days ago).
So . . . I think they did OK on this one.
Drunner
genuine coin, no grade, code 91 artificial coloring....might as well just melt the coin.
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<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
I just got a code 91 today
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<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
I just got a code 91 today
same difference.
Semantics, really.
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
I got a pop 1 coin as well. Heck, they had to make my own coin number for it as there were no BN 2004s.
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<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
Seems right to me
The only thing wrong with that auction is the auction itself! Too much BS text for terms and conditions. That, alone, would, and has, made me RUN and RUN quickly away from sellers like that.
"If you want a positive, leave a positive. Our system will respond in like kind. " ---- Only a tool puts that in.
"We have never left a negative for someone who left us a positive. " --- Only a BIGGER tool puts something like that in.
Not a seller I would want to even attempt to deal with as they obviously have problems, aren't on the up and up, and are trying to put a few scares in.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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A nice Genuine U.S. COin.
I like this new angle. No TPG service should ever take your money for a fee to get expert advice. They should of never sent your coin back in a body just because it was altered in anyway.
I really don't think the average Joe ever wanted a unexpected grade. I always thought they wanted to make sure their coin was legit and GENUINE. I honestly think many TPG's lost many huge $$$ because of the way the looked at their policy.
Now I hope they are reading this, maybe they can give back a free coupon to some small timers that signed up for a year and had mostly body bagged coins. It shouldn't be a expensive lesson for the newbie when that only asked and paid for a expert opinion in the first place.
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<< <i>I really hope PCGS will wake up, and describe the darn defect on the holder IN PLAIN ENGLISH, otherwise there will be a lot more shenanigans like this on eBay, leading to people getting cheated by assuming it's a good coin "because it's PCGS." Will the PCGS label come into disrepute among some buyers, causing the value of other PCGS coins to drop? Evidently, it's a gamble PCGS is willing to take. >>
It says Not Gradable in plain English on the back of the slab. That should raise plenty of questions to even the inexperienced. I do see your point though. Selling the coin as target toned when the toning is AT as all get out is kind of deceitful.
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<< <i>I really hope PCGS will wake up, and describe the darn defect on the holder IN PLAIN ENGLISH, otherwise there will be a lot more shenanigans like this on eBay, leading to people getting cheated by assuming it's a good coin "because it's PCGS." Will the PCGS label come into disrepute among some buyers, causing the value of other PCGS coins to drop? Evidently, it's a gamble PCGS is willing to take. >>
It says Not Gradable in plain English on the back of the slab. That should raise plenty of questions to even the inexperienced. I do see your point though. Selling the coin as target toned when the toning is AT as all get out is kind of deceitful. >>
If PCGS can put Not Gradable in plain English on the back of the slab, they can give the reason for that in plain English on the front of the slab. Other TPGs do so, and to not to do so is just plain dumb, in my opinion.
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5 grand for a coaster is just a little too much.
<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
Damn, learn smoething everyday!
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At least they did it right ATS when they "quarantined" problem coins with a different service name. IMO, PCGS should have done the same.
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<< <i>PCGS got it right, code 91 is for artificial color >>
Damn, learn smoething everyday!
Leo >>
Yeah but do you remember it?
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<< <i>Now I know what code 91 means, That's a good one to know!..........Thanks >>
District Attorney: Sargent Friday, when you entered the residence of [suspected coin doctor],
was there a code 91 in progress?
<< <i>And dealers don't want all that negative stuff on the label. >>
I guess I plumb forgot. This is January, 2009 and honesty is no longer the best policy.
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<< <i>I can't help but laugh. Everyone complains for years about body bags and says PCGS should holder them as genuine. Now PCGS holders them as genuine and everyone complains because they are doing it wrong. >>
Everyone? I've long felt PCGS should have a service like NCS where they authenticate and slab problem coins. They would not be graded, they could be used in the PCGS registry and they would get the PCGS authenticity guarantee. The one thing they would NOT be, though, is branded PCGS.
<< <i> And dealers don't want all that negative stuff on the label. >>
I think the collectors don't want it more. Dealers only care if buyers care.
But this instance of a guy trying to be very misleading with a genuine slab and charging non-problem money for the coin (and then some) makes me think that PCGS may have to address it somehow. --Jerry
1. PCGS doesn't, but should, state on the slab why it was not grade worthy.
2. eBay searches for PCGS are now going to turn up coins most collectors may not want to see.
Dang!
If only.
The new holders do NOT "serve the purpose" of a "GENUINE" holder. All differentiation "should" be evident at first GLANCE!
Typical eBay conman.
However it is frustrating that PCGS still won't list why it's "Genuine" and not graded. "PCGS Genuine - Artificial Toning" would be MUCH better.
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<< <i>However it is frustrating that PCGS still won't list why it's "Genuine" and not graded. "PCGS Genuine - Artificial Toning" would be MUCH better. >>
It would be better, but it would still turn up these problem coins when you search for "PCGS."