The skinny The Yankees doled out $223 million to players last year and $111 million to Major League Baseball in the form of revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. So even with record attendance of 4.1 million, the Yankees lost $50 million, one of the biggest losses in baseball history. The losses are offset by the team's 38% stake in the YES network which generates more than $200 million in revenue is worth more than $1 billion. The Yankees will get a break on their revenue sharing bill when they open their $800 million team-financed new stadium in 2009. Teams can deduct stadium operations expenses including construction costs from the revenues eligible to be shared with low revenue teams.
Stop embarrassing yourself with the delusional Yankees in Chapter 11 crap. Ain't gonna happen, not now, not ever. Just because you're pissed about the insane expenditures of recent Yankee management actions, it's ALL legal, like it or not. I happen to think it's way over the top, but so what, it will never impact me personally, so I really don't care what they do and would certainly never predict a collapse of the Yankee franchise. You're more likely to actually see Santa tomorrow night than see any demise of the Yankee organization.
BTW, George purchased the team in 1973 for a paltry $10m, pretty nice return I'd say. The Yankee organization is worth $1.26 BILLION, they are ROCK SOLID.
Were I you, based upon your logo, I'd be more concerned with next Sunday's visit by the Cowboys.
GL to the Yankee's next year, should be some very interesting baseball. I'll hang with my Red Sox and we'll see who's still standing in Oct 09.
<< <i>...actually from what I heard on the TV the Yanks payroll is less this year then last. Last yr it was 209 this yr (thus far) it is 200Mil. >>
I about peed myself when I read this one... Sooooooo last year their payroll was $209mil, and this year (so far) it's 200mil... and your point is??? IT'S STILL 200 MILLION DOLLARS!!! lol
Yuck the Fankees... may their team dwell in the cellar, and may their season ticket holders cry over their tickets that they thought they could sell for $2000 per game.
<< <i>...actually from what I heard on the TV the Yanks payroll is less this year then last. Last yr it was 209 this yr (thus far) it is 200Mil. >>
I about peed myself when I read this one... Sooooooo last year their payroll was $209mil, and this year (so far) it's 200mil... and your point is??? IT'S STILL 200 MILLION DOLLARS!!! lol
Yuck the Fankees... may their team dwell in the cellar, and may their season ticket holders cry over their tickets that they thought they could sell for $2000 per game. >>
Not the Yankees fault that your team is not willing to spend the money. Lots of sour grapes there Jeff.
Sour grapes? I would lose a lot of respect for the Orioles if they had to spend $207.1 Million and still not make the playoffs. There's more pride in only spending $66.8 Million and missing out on the playoffs. In fact, the Orioles entire 2008 payroll is LESS THAN THE DIFFERENCE between the Yankee's payroll, and the 2nd highest 2008 payroll, which happens to be another New York team ($137 Million). Sour grapes? I think not.
Here's something outlandish, the Yankees are gonna need $161 Million just to be able to afford the amount of cheeseburgers Sabathia is gonna eat during his 7 year contract.
You're right, they have dropped $88.5 Million worth of players from last year, and they will probably be under the $200 Million mark in 2009, but the fact of the matter is, they now roster the TOP FOUR paid players in the league! Helllloooooo????? Crazy...
<< <i>Sour grapes? I would lose a lot of respect for the Orioles if they had to spend $207.1 Million and still not make the playoffs. There's more pride in only spending $66.8 Million and missing out on the playoffs. In fact, the Orioles entire 2008 payroll is LESS THAN THE DIFFERENCE between the Yankee's payroll, and the 2nd highest 2008 payroll, which happens to be another New York team ($137 Million). Sour grapes? I think not. >>
Yeah, it is sour grapes. I know its hard to admit
Lets not forget the Orioles had an offer on the table not much less than the Yankees for Teixiera.
The skinny The Yankees doled out $223 million to players last year and $111 million to Major League Baseball in the form of revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. So even with record attendance of 4.1 million, the Yankees lost $50 million, one of the biggest losses in baseball history. The losses are offset by the team's 38% stake in the YES network which generates more than $200 million in revenue is worth more than $1 billion. The Yankees will get a break on their revenue sharing bill when they open their $800 million team-financed new stadium in 2009. Teams can deduct stadium operations expenses including construction costs from the revenues eligible to be shared with low revenue teams.
Stop embarrassing yourself with the delusional Yankees in Chapter 11 crap. Ain't gonna happen, not now, not ever. Just because you're pissed about the insane expenditures of recent Yankee management actions, it's ALL legal, like it or not. I happen to think it's way over the top, but so what, it will never impact me personally, so I really don't care what they do and would certainly never predict a collapse of the Yankee franchise. You're more likely to actually see Santa tomorrow night than see any demise of the Yankee organization.
BTW, George purchased the team in 1973 for a paltry $10m, pretty nice return I'd say. The Yankee organization is worth $1.26 BILLION, they are ROCK SOLID.
Were I you, based upon your logo, I'd be more concerned with next Sunday's visit by the Cowboys.
GL to the Yankee's next year, should be some very interesting baseball. I'll hang with my Red Sox and we'll see who's still standing in Oct 09. >>
You're dam right I'm po'd about the Yankees and Mets buying or bidding up every good player in the marketplace - that's gotta hurt the game of baseball there is no doubt in my mind about that, or at a minimum, costs me and every other fan a lot more money to enjoy the game. It's not fair, and the "totally biased" comments from the "New York crowd" here are obvious, and despite all that, the Philadelphia Phillies are the current World Series champs so the real jealousy shows in that regard, because lately the Yankees and Mets have done squat compared to what they spend and what their expectations are from their extravagant expenditures.
Regardless of that - it has nothing to do with my Chapter 11 comments. And of course I don't have access to the Yankees balance sheet, but neither does anyone else here, It's conjecture on my part based on obvious business 101 and that is a business shouldn't lavishly spend money during a bad recession which has the potential to turn into a depression. The Yankees simply aren't looking ahead and the stock market which is one of the best leading indicators, generally is a relatively accurate forecast of events which will occur approximately 6 months into the future. When the market crashes, it's not dictating events occurring right now, but events occurring approximately 6 months into the future, so right around May is when the "really bad stuff" in the economy starts to kick in and that just happens to be during baseball season.
You think just because all those tickets were sold in the past means those tickets will be sold in the future? I don't know what the cable packages including sports are in the NY area, but you'll have people canceling the premium parts of those packages - you can listen to a ballgame just as well as viewing it, and still enjoy the game, especially when it comes down to doing that or eliminating that and a few other things to make a mortgage payment. And companies no doubt about it will begin trimming those season ticket plans from their expense sheets - perhaps not this season it might be too late but next season for sure.
The bottom line and some of you are missing the point is that my "Chapter 11" comments are geared towards the Yankees basically, despite their so-called "strong" financial base from the NY fans here, are not, I repeat NOT doing what a business is supposed to do to survive during a bad economic climate. I imagine some here, including me, never thought GM could go bankrupt, right? Well if the Yankees continue their foolish spending practices, then it could happen to them as well and bankruptcy turn into reality. Maybe I'm wrong, but the "Einsteins" here don't have any more clue than me about the real situation with the Yankees, and my call is better because again...the Yankees aren't doing what smart companies do during a recession, and that's quite obvious to anyone except a biased NY fan.
NEW YORK – Wall Street pulled back again Tuesday in muted trading ahead of the holiday, as another round of reports showed further deterioration in the housing market and broader economy.
The Dow Jones industrial average finished lower for the fifth straight day, falling 100 points.....
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Of course I guess to the "brilliant" Yankees management, this news must mean they should spend more money. If the economy continues to decline then according to them it means they should offer free agent players even more money. Chapter 11..................................................................................................
Kay wrote: "At least the Orioles didn't give in to his greedy ass and that crooked agent of his Scott Boras!"
Please Kay, don't say anything "positive" about the Orioles. Saying something positive about the Orioles (or about their owner Peter Angelos) is the only thing that can make you look worse than being a Red Sox fan.
<< <i>For the record, I've been waiting 20 years for GM to go bankrupt. The only shocking part of all this is that it took so long. You're clearly missing the point stevek. And that is, the Yankees, bias aside, are one of the STRONGEST businesses in the country. Does that mean they are totally incapable of going bankrupt? Absolutely not. But in the grand scheme of things, it is such an unlikely event that unless you see the country becoming the equivalent of a third world nation, your prognostication (ahem, rather, biased wishful thinking) is totally off base. >>
I don't wish anything bad upon the Yankees at all - I want to see all baseball teams strong and doing well - but overpaying the players who are already rich enough to begin with, simply is not a good business model in this economic climate.
New flash to stevek the Yanks are no longer paying some guys notably Giambi, Mussina, Abreu etc. With that money no longer going to those guys, that freed up funds for some new players. Stop whining that NY teams pay so well.
It really is NOT bad for baseball for players to become free agents it has been proved over and over, The real culprit is arbitration.
Lastly, your Phillies were among the top in payroll last year. Now before you run to google and see that they were 12th consider that they were closer to the top then the bottom. Also, they paid the number one starter on the team 500k LOOK for him to get the raise he deserves. You spout off constantly about economics what MLB has is what we call a FREE MARKET ECONOMY players after 6 years can choose to be FREE and bargain for the BEST DEAL they can. Something that you yourself would do in a NY minute.
This may drive the Yanks over the edge to Chapter 11.
Yanks offer 1923 prices for exhibitions Bleacher seats 25 cents; grandstand $1.10 for games vs. Cubs
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com NEW YORK -- The exterior of the new Yankee Stadium rising across 161st Street was designed to incorporate many of the aspects that made the original 1923 version so distinctive, showcasing the tall vaulted arches and the Gate 4 home-plate entrance.
For its first two games, visitors walking into the new Yankee Stadium will also be invited to pay homage to the building's predecessor in another special way -- attending a ballgame by trading a few coins for a ticket.
The Yankees announced Tuesday plans to roll back ticket prices to 1923 in a "Turn Back the Clock" promotion. Fans will be able to attend the April 3 and 4 exhibitions against the Chicago Cubs at the same prices it would have cost to be present for the Stadium's first game.
Full-season ticket licensees will receive complimentary tickets for the first exhibition games. Partial-plan holders will receive the first opportunity to purchase tickets thereafter, via a pre-sale (restrictions apply).
"To express our gratitude toward our full-season ticket licensees, we are offering tickets for these two exhibition games at no cost to them," said Yankees chief operating officer Lonn Trost.
"The balance of tickets will be sold first to our partial-plan holders, then to the general public, at vastly reduced rates compared to the regular season. Using such a pricing model for these games allows us to thank our fans for their continued loyalty and introduce them to baseball's new grand cathedral."
For the inaugural exhibition contests, Bleacher tickets will be priced at 25 cents, and Grandstand tickets will be priced at $1.10 -- the same prices they were when Babe Ruth christened the new building on April 18, 1923, slugging a third-inning home run off Boston's Howard Ehmke.
The Yankees said tickets on the Terrace Level will cost between $20 and $35, tickets on the Main Level will be between $20 and $45, and tickets on the Field Level will range from $45 to $50.
Individual-game ticket prices will not exceed $50 for either game, the club said. Remaining tickets, subject to availability, will go on sale to the general public at a date to be determined in the future.
Check yankees.com for further details and purchase instructions.
The new Yankee Stadium will be the fourth permanent home of the New York Yankees, following Hilltop Park (1903-12), the Polo Grounds (1913-22) and the current Yankee Stadium (1923-present). The Yankees also played two full seasons at Shea Stadium (1974-75) when the original Stadium underwent remodeling.
The reason the Yanks are on a spending spree and pi$$$ing off those who really don't know what they are talking about. A TON of money is coming off the books from the 2008 season. Believe it or not their payroll is set to be lower then last years and quite possible lower then 2007.
Did those who are all upset over this off season by the Yankees expect them to just sit on their hands after having 90 million come off the books? Please, with a brand new stadium opening?
Subracted: Money coming off the payroll and those players 2008 salaries: • Jason Giambi: $21 million (but they paid him a $5 million buyout when they turned down a contract option for 2009). • Bobby Abreu: $16 million • Andy Pettitte: $16 million. • Mike Mussina: $11 million. • Carl Pavano: $11 million (but they paid him a $1.95 million buyout when they turned down a contract option). • Pudge Rodriguez: He made $13 million last year, but the Yanks paid one-third of his salary after a midseason trade, about $4.3 million. • Kyle Farnsworth: Made $5.5 million last year, about 2/3 of which the Yanks were responsible for ($3.7 million). • LaTroy Hawkins: $3.75 million. • Morgan Ensberg: $1.75 million. • Wilson Betemit: $1.165 million. Total: About $89.65 million, not including the buyouts totaling $6.95 million. Overall, it's roughly $82.7 million coming off.
<< <i>The reason the Yanks are on a spending spree and pi$$$ing off those who really don't know what they are talking about. A TON of money is coming off the books from the 2008 season. Believe it or not their payroll is set to be lower then last years and quite possible lower then 2007.
Did those who are all upset over this off season by the Yankees expect them to just sit on their hands after having 90 million come off the books? Please, with a brand new stadium opening?
Subracted: Money coming off the payroll and those players 2008 salaries: • Jason Giambi: $21 million (but they paid him a $5 million buyout when they turned down a contract option for 2009). • Bobby Abreu: $16 million • Andy Pettitte: $16 million. • Mike Mussina: $11 million. • Carl Pavano: $11 million (but they paid him a $1.95 million buyout when they turned down a contract option). • Pudge Rodriguez: He made $13 million last year, but the Yanks paid one-third of his salary after a midseason trade, about $4.3 million. • Kyle Farnsworth: Made $5.5 million last year, about 2/3 of which the Yanks were responsible for ($3.7 million). • LaTroy Hawkins: $3.75 million. • Morgan Ensberg: $1.75 million. • Wilson Betemit: $1.165 million. Total: About $89.65 million, not including the buyouts totaling $6.95 million. Overall, it's roughly $82.7 million coming off. >>
Whadayathink...the Yankees are gonna stop spending at under the 200 million dollar mark? It's only December and there are still other players out there for the Yankees management to gorge themselves on. Lavish, exorbitant spending...costs of a new stadium...and a bad recession...a "perfect storm" for a Chapter 11 or other consequences such as selling the team to avoid Chapter 11. Some big boys out there who would love to buy the Yankees cheap, are salivating at this opportunity brewing which should present itself sometime in the future.
Yankees and Mets fans, enjoy your era of "stealing" players from other teams, enjoy your era of using the rest of the major leagues as though it was your farm system, enjoy it all while you can which isn't bringing you WS championships anyway...because a salary cap is a comin'...and then your team's management will have to learn to be smart like all the other teams.
<< <i>New flash to stevek the Yanks are no longer paying some guys notably Giambi, Mussina, Abreu etc. With that money no longer going to those guys, that freed up funds for some new players. Stop whining that NY teams pay so well.
It really is NOT bad for baseball for players to become free agents it has been proved over and over, The real culprit is arbitration.
Lastly, your Phillies were among the top in payroll last year. Now before you run to google and see that they were 12th consider that they were closer to the top then the bottom. Also, they paid the number one starter on the team 500k LOOK for him to get the raise he deserves. You spout off constantly about economics what MLB has is what we call a FREE MARKET ECONOMY players after 6 years can choose to be FREE and bargain for the BEST DEAL they can. Something that you yourself would do in a NY minute.
Stop with your whining.
It really is getting old.
Steve >>
Steve - you are a typical egotistical NY baseball fan - How do you think the other team's fans over the years have felt losing their star players to the New York teams? How would you like it if your team in a smaller city did it's homework and drafted a player who they nurtured and did well in their farm system, and then did well in the bigs, and was rising to become a superstar, and then they couldn't afford to sign him because some other bigger team signed him...and of course this crap has been going on for years, and as a Phillies fan, I have felt this pain, although lately thankfully, the Phillies have been able to compete in the marketplace for the most part.
If you think this "really is NOT bad for baseball" then you are extremely naive and sadly mistaken. In case you haven't noticed, the NFL has far surpassed MLB as the "national pastime" and there is no doubt in my mind that a salary cap in the NFL, assuring basic equality and competitiveness in the NFL, has made it become a popular game throughout the United States with even small market teams having a legit chance to get to the Super Bowl. Wakeup Steve and face reality, and soon you're gonna need to curb your gigantic NY ego because a salary cap is a comin'.
Simply put, a salary cap will never happen because the players association is too powerful in baseball and they wont allow it.
Steve, I truly hope that you are not on this soap box because you are feeling a squeeze in your own line of work. The economy is horrible and its going to get worse for many. I really feel for those this will happen to. In fact, I saw a report this morning that there are more unemployment claims this month than there has been in 26 years (thanks George W).
But with that said, there are businesses that will continue to flourish. A good share of professional sports teams are one of them. People are in love with their sports and will make room for them in their wallets whether it be tickets or merchandise. The only reason any would claim chapter 11 is because it would make economic sense to get out of some expenditures at a fraction of the original cost or completely free of it.
<< <i>A thought. I really don't know the answer and am truly interested.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out. >>
Keith - I know and so should others have known that my "Chapter 11" comments were hyperbole for the most part but not an impossibility as some here have stated - Chapter 11 is not an impossibility for any business spending too much money.
These are different times going on out there than any other in our lifetimes. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen - and if the Yankees continue on a lusty spending spree, and if the economy tightens up the way it is doing, then "hyperbole" about a Yankees Chapter 11, could turn into reality...and again I'm not rooting for it because overall it hurts the league.
The obvious solution? It's simple - a SALARY CAP. But many NY fans don't want the obvious solution because they want to continue to have their cake and eat it to.
<< <i>A thought. I really don't know the answer and am truly interested.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out. >>
Keith - I know and so should others have known that my "Chapter 11" comments were hyperbole for the most part but not an impossibility as some here have stated - Chapter 11 is not an impossibility for any business spending too much money.
These are different times going on out there than any other in our lifetimes. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen - and if the Yankees continue on a lusty spending spree, and if the economy tightens up the way it is doing, then "hyperbole" about a Yankees Chapter 11, could turn into reality...and again I'm not rooting for it because overall it hurts the league.
The obvious solution? It's simple - a SALARY CAP. But many NY fans don't want the obvious solution because they want to continue to have their cake and eat it to. >>
I agree that a salary cap is needed.
However, as to the Yankees the Steinbrenners have plenty of money to sink into the team if needed. They will just never allow the Yanks to go under.
<< <i>A thought. I really don't know the answer and am truly interested.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out. >>
Keith - I know and so should others have known that my "Chapter 11" comments were hyperbole for the most part but not an impossibility as some here have stated - Chapter 11 is not an impossibility for any business spending too much money.
These are different times going on out there than any other in our lifetimes. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen - and if the Yankees continue on a lusty spending spree, and if the economy tightens up the way it is doing, then "hyperbole" about a Yankees Chapter 11, could turn into reality...and again I'm not rooting for it because overall it hurts the league.
The obvious solution? It's simple - a SALARY CAP. But many NY fans don't want the obvious solution because they want to continue to have their cake and eat it to. >>
I agree that a salary cap is needed.
However, as to the Yankees the Steinbrenners have plenty of money to sink into the team if needed. They will just never allow the Yanks to go under.
On a lighter note -
Are you channeling Axtell today? >>
Nope, but I am venting about losing my team's good players over the years to other stinkin' teams in the league whereby money was no object - Overall, the exorbitant spending by the NY teams have hurt the league and that's not even debatable, and their fans don't see it because they don't want to see it. Wait'll those Chapter 11 rumors start flying - that'll wake 'em up to the fact that a salary cap is needed in the league - and a salary cap will happen someday in MLB...definitely.
And the Steinbrenners are not gonna dig themselves in a deep hole to prop up the Yankees if it becomes seemingly hopeless - they'll sell the team for cheap. However if a situation arises, the "perfect storm" as I mentioned, and nobody would buy the team for a reasonable price, then a Chapter 11 is not out of the question.
Its all fine and dandy that you are venting about losing players from your team .... BUT .... this "opportuniy brewing" that you speak of is coming from inside your head and from nowhere else.
Also, there is no need for you to TRY and school any of us on the habits of the NY Yankees. The Yankees have been using the bottom feeders as a secondary "farm system" since the 1920's.
Why is it that so many think is is a recent trend? PLEASE do a litle homework before making comments and ASSumptions will ya?
No ill will towards you Steve, I just think you are way off base with this Chapter 11 stuff. WAY OFF BASE.
Also, it is pretty damn obnoxious of you to think that ALL or even a MAJORITY of NY fans would not welcome a salary cap. Heck, I would have NO PROBLEM with a cap. This goes back to the same old tired song that I sing that falls on deaf ears.
STOP CRYING ABOUT NY AND BIG MARKET TEAMS AND FANS AND START YELLING AT MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
What what you people are saying is, since the Yankees payroll will be less than last year's, that makes it okay to still be $70 Million + over the next highest team? Okay, that makes sense...
I just can't wait until another $40 Million team owns the Yankees again this year, like they did last year. (see 2008 AL Champs)
On another lighter note, the wife and I were watching a news story yesterday about the two guys from India who won a pitching contest and got a tryout before some scouts.
They ended up getting contracts with the Pirates.
The story concluded by saying that these guys will report to spring training with the Pirates and then play rookie minor league ball, etc.
My wife turns to me and says, "The Pirates are not a major league team?"
I explained that they are part of MLB but some may not consider them up to major league standards.
Its all fine and dandy that you are venting about losing players from your team .... BUT .... this "opportuniy brewing" that you speak of is coming from inside your head and from nowhere else.
Also, there is no need for you to TRY and school any of us on the habits of the NY Yankees. The Yankees have been using the bottom feeders as a secondary "farm system" since the 1920's.
Why is it that so many think is is a recent trend? PLEASE do a litle homework before making comments and ASSumptions will ya?
No ill will towards you Steve, I just think you are way off base with this Chapter 11 stuff. WAY OFF BASE.
Also, it is pretty damn obnoxious of you to think that ALL or even a MAJORITY of NY fans would not welcome a salary cap. Heck, I would have NO PROBLEM with a cap. This goes back to the same old tired song that I sing that falls on deaf ears.
STOP CRYING ABOUT NY AND BIG MARKET TEAMS AND FANS AND START YELLING AT MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
Sheesh! >>
Well then I'm obnoxious in that aspect and point taken. I just ask NY fans how they would feel if Mickey Mantle would have been been "lost" to another team around 1955 or so because they couldn't afford to sign him, and I could go on and on with numerous examples. However one thing I'll never forget that's absolutely true, is that the owners see MLB as a business first and all other considerations are second - that is a fact. For some convoluted reason, the other owners must see the NY teams domination in the player's purchasing marketplace, as somehow good for their bottom line, or in my opinion they would "rise up" and put a salary cap in place. The player's union would fall in line because they would have to fall in line - where else they gonna go to make that kind of money? Or even half that kinda money or even 1/4 of that kinda money? - how about nowhere else so the player's union would fall right in line with a salary cap, I don't give a chit what the union might say publicly about that now with their posturing.
<< <i>• Carl Pavano: $11 million (but they paid him a $1.95 million buyout when they turned down a contract option). . >>
He should have given that $1.95 million, and at least $10 million more to local charties for robbing the Yankees of $42 million, especially after that car accident in Florida where he was speeding in his Testarossa or whatever the hell he was driving.
Lets not forget the revenue that is generated from WINNING the world series. Lots of bandwagon fans buying merchandise like crazy! Then there are the increased ticket sales for at least a couple of seasons. You know the Bosox felt a great increase in revenue after their first WS win and probably just as much on the second.
Also count the numerous player specific items that will be sold. How much money do you think that ARod has generated for the Yanks? I would guess a whole heck of a lot. Even if it's enough to pay half his salary every year, dont you think it would be worth it?
Just grabbing up ONE franchise player that will put butts in seats and sells merchandise is a great help to a teams bottom line. All they have to do is go out and spend it.
Hate the teams who dont want to put money even into on of those kinds of players. I think that hurts baseball just as much as one team going for big guns and dishing out tons of money. How much revenue have the Royals or Pirates lost because they fail at this? Take a look at the empty seats.
<< <i>What what you people are saying is, since the Yankees payroll will be less than last year's, that makes it okay to still be $70 Million + over the next highest team? Okay, that makes sense...
I just can't wait until another $40 Million team owns the Yankees again this year, like they did last year. (see 2008 AL Champs)
You're right, team chemistry means nothing. >>
No, what we are saying is that DING DONGS like you continue to blame the teams that spend money according to the RULES OF THE GAME.
If any of you dudes understood ENGLISH, you might understand what I have been saying FOREVER. Blame Major League Baseball and DEMAND that MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL does something.
Hey guys, I do think the amount the Yankees spend is ridiculous and I don't think any professional sports player deserves to make $20 Million a year, let alone even $10 Mill but
(1) The Yankees play within the rules and with high price salaried players dropping off their payroll like Giambi and Abreu, they are just replacing them with younger guys in their prime.
(2) Since George Steiinbrenner and his juniors in training have owned the Yankees, they plough the Yankees profits back into the team. Most Yankee fans appreciate that.
(3) I find it disgusting that owners pocket the luxury tax the Yankees pay and some don't put a penny of it back into the team. I would be p1ssed as hell if I was a fan of one of those teams who had scrooge-like owners.
Speaking of Scrooge...Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and New Year everyone!
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lol if that doesn't fit Stevek to a T I don't know what does.
Steve
<< <i>Best Thread Title Of The Year Award >>
I agree with that!
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The following from Forbes:
The skinny
The Yankees doled out $223 million to players last year and $111 million to Major League Baseball in the form of revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. So even with record attendance of 4.1 million, the Yankees lost $50 million, one of the biggest losses in baseball history. The losses are offset by the team's 38% stake in the YES network which generates more than $200 million in revenue is worth more than $1 billion. The Yankees will get a break on their revenue sharing bill when they open their $800 million team-financed new stadium in 2009. Teams can deduct stadium operations expenses including construction costs from the revenues eligible to be shared with low revenue teams.
Stop embarrassing yourself with the delusional Yankees in Chapter 11 crap. Ain't gonna happen, not now, not ever. Just because you're pissed about the insane expenditures of recent Yankee management actions, it's ALL legal, like it or not. I happen to think it's way over the top, but so what, it will never impact me personally, so I really don't care what they do and would certainly never predict a collapse of the Yankee franchise. You're more likely to actually see Santa tomorrow night than see any demise of the Yankee organization.
BTW, George purchased the team in 1973 for a paltry $10m, pretty nice return I'd say. The Yankee organization is worth $1.26 BILLION, they are ROCK SOLID.
Were I you, based upon your logo, I'd be more concerned with next Sunday's visit by the Cowboys.
GL to the Yankee's next year, should be some very interesting baseball. I'll hang with my Red Sox and we'll see who's still standing in Oct 09.
<< <i>...actually from what I heard on the TV the Yanks payroll is less this year then last. Last yr it was 209 this yr (thus far) it is 200Mil. >>
I about peed myself when I read this one... Sooooooo last year their payroll was $209mil, and this year (so far) it's 200mil... and your point is??? IT'S STILL 200 MILLION DOLLARS!!! lol
Yuck the Fankees... may their team dwell in the cellar, and may their season ticket holders cry over their tickets that they thought they could sell for $2000 per game.
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<< <i>...actually from what I heard on the TV the Yanks payroll is less this year then last. Last yr it was 209 this yr (thus far) it is 200Mil. >>
I about peed myself when I read this one... Sooooooo last year their payroll was $209mil, and this year (so far) it's 200mil... and your point is??? IT'S STILL 200 MILLION DOLLARS!!! lol
Yuck the Fankees... may their team dwell in the cellar, and may their season ticket holders cry over their tickets that they thought they could sell for $2000 per game.
Not the Yankees fault that your team is not willing to spend the money. Lots of sour grapes there Jeff.
My point, is that even with all the recent signings the payroll is LESS then last yr.
What was so hard to understand about that? Especially after you said "OMG that's 650 million dollars"
The bottom line is they don't have to pay Giambi or Mussina any longer and simply applied those funds to these
2 new guys.
Sheesh if your gonna pee your pants do it it over something truly outlandish.
Steve
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Steve
You're right, they have dropped $88.5 Million worth of players from last year, and they will probably be under the $200 Million mark in 2009, but the fact of the matter is, they now roster the TOP FOUR paid players in the league! Helllloooooo????? Crazy...
Merry Christmas to all you Yankee fans.
Ummm I think you should recheck some of your facts, well at least that one anyway, the Tigers had the 2nd Highest payroll at 139 Mil
Steve
<< <i>Sour grapes? I would lose a lot of respect for the Orioles if they had to spend $207.1 Million and still not make the playoffs. There's more pride in only spending $66.8 Million and missing out on the playoffs. In fact, the Orioles entire 2008 payroll is LESS THAN THE DIFFERENCE between the Yankee's payroll, and the 2nd highest 2008 payroll, which happens to be another New York team ($137 Million). Sour grapes? I think not. >>
Yeah, it is sour grapes. I know its hard to admit
Lets not forget the Orioles had an offer on the table not much less than the Yankees for Teixiera.
<< <i>Lets not forget the Orioles had an offer on the table not much less than the Yankees for Teixiera. >>
At least the Orioles didn't give in to his greedy ass and that crooked agent of his Scott Boras!
<< <i>Stevek...
The following from Forbes:
The skinny
The Yankees doled out $223 million to players last year and $111 million to Major League Baseball in the form of revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. So even with record attendance of 4.1 million, the Yankees lost $50 million, one of the biggest losses in baseball history. The losses are offset by the team's 38% stake in the YES network which generates more than $200 million in revenue is worth more than $1 billion. The Yankees will get a break on their revenue sharing bill when they open their $800 million team-financed new stadium in 2009. Teams can deduct stadium operations expenses including construction costs from the revenues eligible to be shared with low revenue teams.
Stop embarrassing yourself with the delusional Yankees in Chapter 11 crap. Ain't gonna happen, not now, not ever. Just because you're pissed about the insane expenditures of recent Yankee management actions, it's ALL legal, like it or not. I happen to think it's way over the top, but so what, it will never impact me personally, so I really don't care what they do and would certainly never predict a collapse of the Yankee franchise. You're more likely to actually see Santa tomorrow night than see any demise of the Yankee organization.
BTW, George purchased the team in 1973 for a paltry $10m, pretty nice return I'd say. The Yankee organization is worth $1.26 BILLION, they are ROCK SOLID.
Were I you, based upon your logo, I'd be more concerned with next Sunday's visit by the Cowboys.
GL to the Yankee's next year, should be some very interesting baseball. I'll hang with my Red Sox and we'll see who's still standing in Oct 09. >>
You're dam right I'm po'd about the Yankees and Mets buying or bidding up every good player in the marketplace - that's gotta hurt the game of baseball there is no doubt in my mind about that, or at a minimum, costs me and every other fan a lot more money to enjoy the game. It's not fair, and the "totally biased" comments from the "New York crowd" here are obvious, and despite all that, the Philadelphia Phillies are the current World Series champs so the real jealousy shows in that regard, because lately the Yankees and Mets have done squat compared to what they spend and what their expectations are from their extravagant expenditures.
Regardless of that - it has nothing to do with my Chapter 11 comments. And of course I don't have access to the Yankees balance sheet, but neither does anyone else here, It's conjecture on my part based on obvious business 101 and that is a business shouldn't lavishly spend money during a bad recession which has the potential to turn into a depression. The Yankees simply aren't looking ahead and the stock market which is one of the best leading indicators, generally is a relatively accurate forecast of events which will occur approximately 6 months into the future. When the market crashes, it's not dictating events occurring right now, but events occurring approximately 6 months into the future, so right around May is when the "really bad stuff" in the economy starts to kick in and that just happens to be during baseball season.
You think just because all those tickets were sold in the past means those tickets will be sold in the future? I don't know what the cable packages including sports are in the NY area, but you'll have people canceling the premium parts of those packages - you can listen to a ballgame just as well as viewing it, and still enjoy the game, especially when it comes down to doing that or eliminating that and a few other things to make a mortgage payment. And companies no doubt about it will begin trimming those season ticket plans from their expense sheets - perhaps not this season it might be too late but next season for sure.
The bottom line and some of you are missing the point is that my "Chapter 11" comments are geared towards the Yankees basically, despite their so-called "strong" financial base from the NY fans here, are not, I repeat NOT doing what a business is supposed to do to survive during a bad economic climate. I imagine some here, including me, never thought GM could go bankrupt, right? Well if the Yankees continue their foolish spending practices, then it could happen to them as well and bankruptcy turn into reality. Maybe I'm wrong, but the "Einsteins" here don't have any more clue than me about the real situation with the Yankees, and my call is better because again...the Yankees aren't doing what smart companies do during a recession, and that's quite obvious to anyone except a biased NY fan.
Dow falls for 5th straight session on grim data
NEW YORK – Wall Street pulled back again Tuesday in muted trading ahead of the holiday, as another round of reports showed further deterioration in the housing market and broader economy.
The Dow Jones industrial average finished lower for the fifth straight day, falling 100 points.....
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Of course I guess to the "brilliant" Yankees management, this news must mean they should spend more money. If the economy continues to decline then according to them it means they should offer free agent players even more money. Chapter 11..................................................................................................
Please Kay, don't say anything "positive" about the Orioles. Saying something positive about the Orioles (or about their owner Peter Angelos) is the only thing that can make you look worse than being a Red Sox fan.
<< <i>For the record, I've been waiting 20 years for GM to go bankrupt. The only shocking part of all this is that it took so long. You're clearly missing the point stevek. And that is, the Yankees, bias aside, are one of the STRONGEST businesses in the country. Does that mean they are totally incapable of going bankrupt? Absolutely not. But in the grand scheme of things, it is such an unlikely event that unless you see the country becoming the equivalent of a third world nation, your prognostication (ahem, rather, biased wishful thinking) is totally off base. >>
I don't wish anything bad upon the Yankees at all - I want to see all baseball teams strong and doing well - but overpaying the players who are already rich enough to begin with, simply is not a good business model in this economic climate.
no longer going to those guys, that freed up funds for some new players. Stop whining that NY teams pay so well.
It really is NOT bad for baseball for players to become free agents it has been proved over and over, The real culprit
is arbitration.
Lastly, your Phillies were among the top in payroll last year. Now before you run to google and see that they were 12th
consider that they were closer to the top then the bottom. Also, they paid the number one starter on the team 500k
LOOK for him to get the raise he deserves. You spout off constantly about economics what MLB has is what we call a FREE
MARKET ECONOMY players after 6 years can choose to be FREE and bargain for the BEST DEAL they can. Something
that you yourself would do in a NY minute.
Stop with your whining.
It really is getting old.
Steve
Yanks offer 1923 prices for exhibitions
Bleacher seats 25 cents; grandstand $1.10 for games vs. Cubs
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com
NEW YORK -- The exterior of the new Yankee Stadium rising across 161st Street was designed to incorporate many of the aspects that made the original 1923 version so distinctive, showcasing the tall vaulted arches and the Gate 4 home-plate entrance.
For its first two games, visitors walking into the new Yankee Stadium will also be invited to pay homage to the building's predecessor in another special way -- attending a ballgame by trading a few coins for a ticket.
The Yankees announced Tuesday plans to roll back ticket prices to 1923 in a "Turn Back the Clock" promotion. Fans will be able to attend the April 3 and 4 exhibitions against the Chicago Cubs at the same prices it would have cost to be present for the Stadium's first game.
Full-season ticket licensees will receive complimentary tickets for the first exhibition games. Partial-plan holders will receive the first opportunity to purchase tickets thereafter, via a pre-sale (restrictions apply).
"To express our gratitude toward our full-season ticket licensees, we are offering tickets for these two exhibition games at no cost to them," said Yankees chief operating officer Lonn Trost.
"The balance of tickets will be sold first to our partial-plan holders, then to the general public, at vastly reduced rates compared to the regular season. Using such a pricing model for these games allows us to thank our fans for their continued loyalty and introduce them to baseball's new grand cathedral."
For the inaugural exhibition contests, Bleacher tickets will be priced at 25 cents, and Grandstand tickets will be priced at $1.10 -- the same prices they were when Babe Ruth christened the new building on April 18, 1923, slugging a third-inning home run off Boston's Howard Ehmke.
The Yankees said tickets on the Terrace Level will cost between $20 and $35, tickets on the Main Level will be between $20 and $45, and tickets on the Field Level will range from $45 to $50.
Individual-game ticket prices will not exceed $50 for either game, the club said. Remaining tickets, subject to availability, will go on sale to the general public at a date to be determined in the future.
Check yankees.com for further details and purchase instructions.
The new Yankee Stadium will be the fourth permanent home of the New York Yankees, following Hilltop Park (1903-12), the Polo Grounds (1913-22) and the current Yankee Stadium (1923-present). The Yankees also played two full seasons at Shea Stadium (1974-75) when the original Stadium underwent remodeling.
<< <i>and the 2nd highest 2008 payroll, which happens to be another New York team ($137 Million). Sour grapes? I think not.
Ummm I think you should recheck some of your facts, well at least that one anyway, the Tigers had the 2nd Highest payroll at 139 Mil >>
Okay, I checked my facts, still say the Mets were #2: Pudding
Did those who are all upset over this off season by the Yankees expect them to just sit on their hands after having 90 million come off the books?
Please, with a brand new stadium opening?
Subracted: Money coming off the payroll and those players 2008 salaries:
• Jason Giambi: $21 million (but they paid him a $5 million buyout when they turned down a contract option for 2009).
• Bobby Abreu: $16 million
• Andy Pettitte: $16 million.
• Mike Mussina: $11 million.
• Carl Pavano: $11 million (but they paid him a $1.95 million buyout when they turned down a contract option).
• Pudge Rodriguez: He made $13 million last year, but the Yanks paid one-third of his salary after a midseason trade, about $4.3 million.
• Kyle Farnsworth: Made $5.5 million last year, about 2/3 of which the Yanks were responsible for ($3.7 million).
• LaTroy Hawkins: $3.75 million.
• Morgan Ensberg: $1.75 million.
• Wilson Betemit: $1.165 million.
Total: About $89.65 million, not including the buyouts totaling $6.95 million. Overall, it's roughly $82.7 million coming off.
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<< <i>The reason the Yanks are on a spending spree and pi$$$ing off those who really don't know what they are talking about. A TON of money is coming off the books from the 2008 season. Believe it or not their payroll is set to be lower then last years and quite possible lower then 2007.
Did those who are all upset over this off season by the Yankees expect them to just sit on their hands after having 90 million come off the books?
Please, with a brand new stadium opening?
Subracted: Money coming off the payroll and those players 2008 salaries:
• Jason Giambi: $21 million (but they paid him a $5 million buyout when they turned down a contract option for 2009).
• Bobby Abreu: $16 million
• Andy Pettitte: $16 million.
• Mike Mussina: $11 million.
• Carl Pavano: $11 million (but they paid him a $1.95 million buyout when they turned down a contract option).
• Pudge Rodriguez: He made $13 million last year, but the Yanks paid one-third of his salary after a midseason trade, about $4.3 million.
• Kyle Farnsworth: Made $5.5 million last year, about 2/3 of which the Yanks were responsible for ($3.7 million).
• LaTroy Hawkins: $3.75 million.
• Morgan Ensberg: $1.75 million.
• Wilson Betemit: $1.165 million.
Total: About $89.65 million, not including the buyouts totaling $6.95 million. Overall, it's roughly $82.7 million coming off. >>
Whadayathink...the Yankees are gonna stop spending at under the 200 million dollar mark? It's only December and there are still other players out there for the Yankees management to gorge themselves on. Lavish, exorbitant spending...costs of a new stadium...and a bad recession...a "perfect storm" for a Chapter 11 or other consequences such as selling the team to avoid Chapter 11. Some big boys out there who would love to buy the Yankees cheap, are salivating at this opportunity brewing which should present itself sometime in the future.
Yankees and Mets fans, enjoy your era of "stealing" players from other teams, enjoy your era of using the rest of the major leagues as though it was your farm system, enjoy it all while you can which isn't bringing you WS championships anyway...because a salary cap is a comin'...and then your team's management will have to learn to be smart like all the other teams.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out.
<< <i>Is this wishful thinking?
Steve >>
lol, yes it was!
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<< <i>New flash to stevek the Yanks are no longer paying some guys notably Giambi, Mussina, Abreu etc. With that money
no longer going to those guys, that freed up funds for some new players. Stop whining that NY teams pay so well.
It really is NOT bad for baseball for players to become free agents it has been proved over and over, The real culprit
is arbitration.
Lastly, your Phillies were among the top in payroll last year. Now before you run to google and see that they were 12th
consider that they were closer to the top then the bottom. Also, they paid the number one starter on the team 500k
LOOK for him to get the raise he deserves. You spout off constantly about economics what MLB has is what we call a FREE
MARKET ECONOMY players after 6 years can choose to be FREE and bargain for the BEST DEAL they can. Something
that you yourself would do in a NY minute.
Stop with your whining.
It really is getting old.
Steve >>
Steve - you are a typical egotistical NY baseball fan - How do you think the other team's fans over the years have felt losing their star players to the New York teams? How would you like it if your team in a smaller city did it's homework and drafted a player who they nurtured and did well in their farm system, and then did well in the bigs, and was rising to become a superstar, and then they couldn't afford to sign him because some other bigger team signed him...and of course this crap has been going on for years, and as a Phillies fan, I have felt this pain, although lately thankfully, the Phillies have been able to compete in the marketplace for the most part.
If you think this "really is NOT bad for baseball" then you are extremely naive and sadly mistaken. In case you haven't noticed, the NFL has far surpassed MLB as the "national pastime" and there is no doubt in my mind that a salary cap in the NFL, assuring basic equality and competitiveness in the NFL, has made it become a popular game throughout the United States with even small market teams having a legit chance to get to the Super Bowl. Wakeup Steve and face reality, and soon you're gonna need to curb your gigantic NY ego because a salary cap is a comin'.
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<< <i>Is this wishful thinking?
Steve >>
lol, yes it was!
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Uhh, no it isn't because this would hurt the game of baseball and I'd be one of the last people to want to see that happen.
Steve, I truly hope that you are not on this soap box because you are feeling a squeeze in your own line of work. The economy is horrible and its going to get worse for many. I really feel for those this will happen to. In fact, I saw a report this morning that there are more unemployment claims this month than there has been in 26 years (thanks George W).
But with that said, there are businesses that will continue to flourish. A good share of professional sports teams are one of them. People are in love with their sports and will make room for them in their wallets whether it be tickets or merchandise. The only reason any would claim chapter 11 is because it would make economic sense to get out of some expenditures at a fraction of the original cost or completely free of it.
<< <i>A thought. I really don't know the answer and am truly interested.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out.
Keith - I know and so should others have known that my "Chapter 11" comments were hyperbole for the most part but not an impossibility as some here have stated - Chapter 11 is not an impossibility for any business spending too much money.
These are different times going on out there than any other in our lifetimes. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen - and if the Yankees continue on a lusty spending spree, and if the economy tightens up the way it is doing, then "hyperbole" about a Yankees Chapter 11, could turn into reality...and again I'm not rooting for it because overall it hurts the league.
The obvious solution? It's simple - a SALARY CAP. But many NY fans don't want the obvious solution because they want to continue to have their cake and eat it to.
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<< <i>A thought. I really don't know the answer and am truly interested.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out.
Keith - I know and so should others have known that my "Chapter 11" comments were hyperbole for the most part but not an impossibility as some here have stated - Chapter 11 is not an impossibility for any business spending too much money.
These are different times going on out there than any other in our lifetimes. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen - and if the Yankees continue on a lusty spending spree, and if the economy tightens up the way it is doing, then "hyperbole" about a Yankees Chapter 11, could turn into reality...and again I'm not rooting for it because overall it hurts the league.
The obvious solution? It's simple - a SALARY CAP. But many NY fans don't want the obvious solution because they want to continue to have their cake and eat it to. >>
I agree that a salary cap is needed.
However, as to the Yankees the Steinbrenners have plenty of money to sink into the team if needed. They will just never allow the Yanks to go under.
On a lighter note -
Are you channeling Axtell today?
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<< <i>A thought. I really don't know the answer and am truly interested.
Has any MLB, NFL, or NBA team ever filed for Chapter 11?
In just my own very limited recollection the leagues have jumped in to avoid trouble, a la the Expos/Nationals.
No offense Steve, but the Yankees are not even close and MLB would never let it happen.
Heck in this day and age Congress would bail them out.
Keith - I know and so should others have known that my "Chapter 11" comments were hyperbole for the most part but not an impossibility as some here have stated - Chapter 11 is not an impossibility for any business spending too much money.
These are different times going on out there than any other in our lifetimes. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen - and if the Yankees continue on a lusty spending spree, and if the economy tightens up the way it is doing, then "hyperbole" about a Yankees Chapter 11, could turn into reality...and again I'm not rooting for it because overall it hurts the league.
The obvious solution? It's simple - a SALARY CAP. But many NY fans don't want the obvious solution because they want to continue to have their cake and eat it to. >>
I agree that a salary cap is needed.
However, as to the Yankees the Steinbrenners have plenty of money to sink into the team if needed. They will just never allow the Yanks to go under.
On a lighter note -
Are you channeling Axtell today?
Nope, but I am venting about losing my team's good players over the years to other stinkin' teams in the league whereby money was no object - Overall, the exorbitant spending by the NY teams have hurt the league and that's not even debatable, and their fans don't see it because they don't want to see it. Wait'll those Chapter 11 rumors start flying - that'll wake 'em up to the fact that a salary cap is needed in the league - and a salary cap will happen someday in MLB...definitely.
And the Steinbrenners are not gonna dig themselves in a deep hole to prop up the Yankees if it becomes seemingly hopeless - they'll sell the team for cheap. However if a situation arises, the "perfect storm" as I mentioned, and nobody would buy the team for a reasonable price, then a Chapter 11 is not out of the question.
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<< <i>Is this wishful thinking?
Steve >>
lol, yes it was!
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Uhh, no it isn't because this would hurt the game of baseball and I'd be one of the last people to want to see that happen. >>
It was wishful thinking, in the "pure sense" (as a Red Sox fan)....
But to come up with the statement "It was wishful thinking" (leave it up to a Yankees fan! Right Steve?)
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Its all fine and dandy that you are venting about losing players from your team .... BUT .... this "opportuniy brewing" that you speak of is coming from inside your head and from nowhere else.
Also, there is no need for you to TRY and school any of us on the habits of the NY Yankees. The Yankees have been using the bottom feeders as a secondary "farm system" since the 1920's.
Why is it that so many think is is a recent trend?
No ill will towards you Steve, I just think you are way off base with this Chapter 11 stuff. WAY OFF BASE.
Also, it is pretty damn obnoxious of you to think that ALL or even a MAJORITY of NY fans would not welcome a salary cap. Heck, I would have NO PROBLEM with a cap. This goes back to the same old tired song that I sing that falls on deaf ears.
STOP CRYING ABOUT NY AND BIG MARKET TEAMS AND FANS AND START YELLING AT MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
Sheesh!
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I just can't wait until another $40 Million team owns the Yankees again this year, like they did last year. (see 2008 AL Champs)
You're right, team chemistry means nothing.
"Instead of the Yankees buying free agents. Wouldn't be cheaper for them to purchase the Tampa Bay Rays?"
They ended up getting contracts with the Pirates.
The story concluded by saying that these guys will report to spring training with the Pirates and then play rookie minor league ball, etc.
My wife turns to me and says, "The Pirates are not a major league team?"
I explained that they are part of MLB but some may not consider them up to major league standards.
<< <i>Steve,
Its all fine and dandy that you are venting about losing players from your team .... BUT .... this "opportuniy brewing" that you speak of is coming from inside your head and from nowhere else.
Also, there is no need for you to TRY and school any of us on the habits of the NY Yankees. The Yankees have been using the bottom feeders as a secondary "farm system" since the 1920's.
Why is it that so many think is is a recent trend?
No ill will towards you Steve, I just think you are way off base with this Chapter 11 stuff. WAY OFF BASE.
Also, it is pretty damn obnoxious of you to think that ALL or even a MAJORITY of NY fans would not welcome a salary cap. Heck, I would have NO PROBLEM with a cap. This goes back to the same old tired song that I sing that falls on deaf ears.
STOP CRYING ABOUT NY AND BIG MARKET TEAMS AND FANS AND START YELLING AT MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
Sheesh! >>
Well then I'm obnoxious in that aspect and point taken. I just ask NY fans how they would feel if Mickey Mantle would have been been "lost" to another team around 1955 or so because they couldn't afford to sign him, and I could go on and on with numerous examples. However one thing I'll never forget that's absolutely true, is that the owners see MLB as a business first and all other considerations are second - that is a fact. For some convoluted reason, the other owners must see the NY teams domination in the player's purchasing marketplace, as somehow good for their bottom line, or in my opinion they would "rise up" and put a salary cap in place. The player's union would fall in line because they would have to fall in line - where else they gonna go to make that kind of money? Or even half that kinda money or even 1/4 of that kinda money? - how about nowhere else so the player's union would fall right in line with a salary cap, I don't give a chit what the union might say publicly about that now with their posturing.
<< <i>• Carl Pavano: $11 million (but they paid him a $1.95 million buyout when they turned down a contract option).
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He should have given that $1.95 million, and at least $10 million more to local charties for robbing the Yankees of $42 million, especially after that car accident in Florida where he was speeding in his Testarossa or whatever the hell he was driving.
post of the year lol
Also count the numerous player specific items that will be sold. How much money do you think that ARod has generated for the Yanks? I would guess a whole heck of a lot. Even if it's enough to pay half his salary every year, dont you think it would be worth it?
Just grabbing up ONE franchise player that will put butts in seats and sells merchandise is a great help to a teams bottom line. All they have to do is go out and spend it.
Hate the teams who dont want to put money even into on of those kinds of players. I think that hurts baseball just as much as one team going for big guns and dishing out tons of money. How much revenue have the Royals or Pirates lost because they fail at this? Take a look at the empty seats.
<< <i>"Instead of the Yankees buying free agents. Wouldn't be cheaper for them to purchase the Tampa Bay Rays?" >>
<< <i>What what you people are saying is, since the Yankees payroll will be less than last year's, that makes it okay to still be $70 Million + over the next highest team? Okay, that makes sense...
I just can't wait until another $40 Million team owns the Yankees again this year, like they did last year. (see 2008 AL Champs)
You're right, team chemistry means nothing. >>
No, what we are saying is that DING DONGS like you continue to blame the teams that spend money according to the RULES OF THE GAME.
If any of you dudes understood ENGLISH, you might understand what I have been saying FOREVER. Blame Major League Baseball and DEMAND that MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL does something.
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What gives with the picture of Jim Morrison sleeping with kittens?
<< <i>What gives with the picture of Jim Morrison sleeping with kittens?
(1) The Yankees play within the rules and with high price salaried players dropping off their payroll like Giambi and Abreu, they are just replacing them with younger guys in their prime.
(2) Since George Steiinbrenner and his juniors in training have owned the Yankees, they plough the Yankees profits back into the team. Most Yankee fans appreciate that.
(3) I find it disgusting that owners pocket the luxury tax the Yankees pay and some don't put a penny of it back into the team. I would be p1ssed as hell if I was a fan of one of those teams who had scrooge-like owners.
Speaking of Scrooge...Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and New Year everyone!
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Movie stars, CEO's and the like routinely rake in millions.
It is what it is. So what if many can't go to a game like in years past?
Watch it on the TV.
Steve
Sorry to burst your bubble here Robert but I am not a Yankees fan.
Growing up my teams were the Pirates and the Mets.
As for me being naive as per Stevek's nonsense .......Yawn
Steve