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First Spouse: "Buck" Liberty to complete subset, now w/ pics.
renman95
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Will you be getting the last "Liberty" spouse?
The first "Liberty" was a 20,000 sellout in hours. Since this series has fallen out of favor, the second "Liberty" has only sold a few thousand in each finish for a multitude of reasons.
Now the third "Liberty" will be upon us on 11-25. Mintages should be low with this coin due to obvious financial conditions around the world, lack of interest, and "Mint Clearance Sale."
This could be a sleeper mini set...very attractive and low available mintage to form this 3-coin set.
Ren
edited to add: OK, my bad. So will you be getting the NEXT to last "Liberty" spouse?
Stupid brain.
The first "Liberty" was a 20,000 sellout in hours. Since this series has fallen out of favor, the second "Liberty" has only sold a few thousand in each finish for a multitude of reasons.
Now the third "Liberty" will be upon us on 11-25. Mintages should be low with this coin due to obvious financial conditions around the world, lack of interest, and "Mint Clearance Sale."
This could be a sleeper mini set...very attractive and low available mintage to form this 3-coin set.
Ren
edited to add: OK, my bad. So will you be getting the NEXT to last "Liberty" spouse?
Stupid brain.
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It's a long term goal of mine to gather them all together. I'll keep my eye out for buying oppurtunities.
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I'm glad you brought up Buchanan. I was thinking about this today. He served as President from 1857-1861.
I wonder which classic coin design the Mint will put on his Liberty coin. I kind of hope it's the Indian Head Cent obverse myself.
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<< <i>I just sold my Jefferson Liberty First Strike PR70 for $550.
Wow ... I had no idea that they dropped that low ... I sold mine last year for $850+ (PCGS PR70 FS)
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I'm glad you brought up Buchanan. I was thinking about this today. He served as President from 1857-1861.
I wonder which classic coin design the Mint will put on his Liberty coin. I kind of hope it's the Indian Head Cent obverse myself. >>
Since they are already using the Seated Liberty design, I think they will use the $20 Liberty Head design as it is pretty much the same design as was on the $10, $5, $2.5 and the Large Cent at the time.
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<< <i>So we have 3 nice designs so far, and hopefully a nice Liberty coin in 2010. It should be a 5 coin series, but they have the "Alice Paul" suffragette (no politics here! LOL!) instead of a Liberty from 1881 - 1885. So we lost the following potentials: Longacre gold Liberties, Trade Dollar, Morgan Dollar, V Nickel and Indian Cent. Man, it could have been a really nice 5 coin set, but I will personally collect a MS and Proof set of 4 coins each for an attractive set of coins. >>
The substitution of the Alice Paul coin is lame. It should totally be a Morgan Dollar design gold Liberty for Arthur. That would be so cool!!!
Also, has it ever been confirmed that we'll actually have 2 coins each for Tyler and Wilson as each had 2 first spouses (not simultaneously
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As a Seated Coinage collector, I love to have this coin as a compliment to the 19th century coins
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Is it real!
Am I giving away personal info ....
Either way ll I have done so far is overpay.
All I need after this is the last one in 2010.
I don' care for the spouse series.
They are ugly coins.
But I want the subset. Thats all.
Prices: $549.95 / $524.95
<< <i>They just posted the Van Buren’s Libertys on teh USM website
Prices: $549.95 / $524.95 >>
Still a huge premium to melt so maybe it'll keep mintages low
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I'll probably be ordering 2 proofs and 2 uncirculateds. Gold going up in the last couple of weeks makes the premium over spot slightly more bearable, but it's still expensive...
The high premiums on this set has resulted in me revising my original plan to collect 2 of each proof and uncirculated over the entire series... Now I'm just buying one of each (with the exception of the Liberty designs which I'm getting 2 of each).
Anyone else buying the Seated Liberty gold tomorrow?????????
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Three down one to go!!!!!!
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2007 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin Dolley Madison (X08)
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MY ORDER IS IN FOR ONE OF EACH ,12:02
Have a wonderful July 4th holiday everyone, thanks.
4,334 unc
7,515 proof
Not sure if that is official though or whether they are later adjusted/revised before making into the RedBook or other sources.
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<< <i>The 1/6/10 Mint Stats in Numismatic News had the finals sales of the Van Buren Liberty at:
4,334 unc
7,515 proof
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Thanks illini
In just looking at the Greysheet the bid/ask are as follows:
Jefferson Unc $600/$620
Jefferson Proof $600/$620
Jackson Unc $875/$915
Jackson Proof $875/$915
Van Buren Unc $875/$915
Van Buren Proof $825/$865
So, it looks like the Jeffersons are priced right at melt prices, but I was a bit surprised at such high prices on the Jackson and Van Buren, especially since I thought the Greysheet had been pretty low on the First Spouse coins in the past couple of years... are these prices accurate??? Could I really get $4650-$4850 for my current 6 coin unc and proof set of Liberty gold?????????????
Edited to add a pic of these awesome coins:
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Those prices seem close, but ebay auction prices on these coins have been erratic. The Jeffersons have been a little higher recently, and the other two are simply up and down all over the map, but usually between $900 and $1000 for the Jacksons, and around $900 for the Van Burens. They are great-looking coins!
Sorry to say - you won't realize $4,600 after ebay fees.
I knew it would happen.
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Those prices seem close, but ebay auction prices on these coins have been erratic. The Jeffersons have been a little higher recently, and the other two are simply up and down all over the map, but usually between $900 and $1000 for the Jacksons, and around $900 for the Van Burens. They are great-looking coins!
Sorry to say - you won't realize $4,600 after ebay fees. >>
Yeah, I imagine that ebay fees on something like that would be $250+
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
The Spouse series as a whole is beginning to generate some excitement - check out recent prices for the Julia and Letitia Tyler coins in PCGS MS and Proof 70! The two remaining issues for this year, Buchanan's Liberty and Mary Todd Lincoln, should also be popular and inspire more interest in the series.
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If you are not ordering day one at noon, be prepared to be surprised. That's my opinion.
<< <i>Yeah, I imagine that ebay fees on something like that would be $250+
Apparently not.
Figuring a 99 cent start, just one $900 sale would cost you about $75 in eBay/PayPal fees. Fees for all six would probably be close to $500.
<< <i>The last Liberty will be short struck. Sales of previous First Haag's (the last few) have shown that the sales levels have trouble reaching more than 6k proofs and around half that for the uncs. Expect the same for the last Liberty
If you are not ordering day one at noon, be prepared to be surprised. That's my opinion. >>
What kind of surprise are you thinking of ???
There seems to be plenty of money floating around for moderns - the 2010 proof Platinum Eagle is close to a sellout after only a week, with a mintage limit of 10,000 and a price of $1892.
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remember , the mint gives max mintages, but always follows the path of striking to last known anticipated demend (the last few coins issued in this case)
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<< <i>IMO, sellout within a few days of a short struck coin.....struck to the tune of the last few sales, the USM will not fire up the presses to strike more.....
remember , the mint gives max mintages, but always follows the path of striking to last known anticipated demend (the last few coins issued in this case) >>
This may be different. If the initial inventory of Buchanan's Liberty coins sell out before the end of 2010, more can be struck to meet the additional demand (up to the authorized limit of 15,000 coins in both finishes).
As far as I know, the previous "short struck" coins (Jackson's and Buchanan's Liberty) sold out in 2009. At that point no more could legally be struck, since they were dated 2008.
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As far as I know, the previous "short struck" coins (Jackson's and Buchanan's Liberty) sold out in 2009. At that point no more could legally be struck, since they were dated 2008. >>
Is there really a hard rule that the Mint can't mint a 2010 dated coin in early 2011??? Not sure the Jackson and Van Buren Liberty coins were "short struck" since each was available for sale for a full calendar year each after their initial release dates. I don't recall there being any sign of them being unavailable during that calendar year and they apparently could have been purchased well into 2009 until the calendar year since their release was up. There just wasn't big enough demand for them at the time and that is why the "mintage" ended up being what it is.
If there is a rule against striking a 2008 dated coin in 2009, presumably the full authorized mintages of the Jackson and Van Buren coins were struck during 2008 and then perhaps melted after going unsold after a full year of availablity? Or maybe they're sitting in a vault at the Mint somewhere?? Hope not!!!!!!
Anyways, after thinking it over some more I think I have to keep this set
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7/8 is saying Buchanan, let's see who ends up right.
PS Maybe the Lincoln is short struck though compared to demand.
<< <i>Is there really a hard rule that the Mint can't mint a 2010 dated coin in early 2011??? Not sure the Jackson and Van Buren Liberty coins were "short struck" since each was available for sale for a full calendar year each after their initial release dates. >>
If I recall correctly, the Jackson went off sale shortly before its one-year anniversary. The proof and the uncirculated disappeared on separate days, but within a week of each other. So it was likely short struck. I'm not sure about the Van Buren.
I understand that it is currently a hard rule that the Mint cannot strike coins with a previous year's date.
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go ahead and take your time ordering - wait a week or so,
I wouldnt take the chance. I'm with EricJ96 on this one. DAY 1 NOON.
BTW Half, you dont have a particularly good record on being right about mintages.......plats/buffs, sorry, I had to take a cheap shot, I cant help myself.
No worries.
PS Yes I was so wrong on those gold buffalo coins, picking those over the 2008 plat unc coins. Which sell for more? last time I checked it was still the gold buffalo coins by a lot. And remember the 1 coin theory, that wasn't my idea.
You were wrong on final mintages of BOTH the Buffalo's (remember the proofs) AND the Plat mintages in 2008. Let's not cloud the facts with the element of confusion.
You were not the only one who made money on the Buffalo's-many people on the forum did, but in recent weeks your "unrealized" gains have been evaporating. You actually have to SELL to realize your gains. Buffalo gold has shown real signs of weakness, it's the lastest fad gone by, keep your personal coins to stare at their beauty, and unload the rest.
Like Kenny said, "know when to fold 'em"
What matters with the last Liberty subset coin is ultimately the mintage and the speed of the sellout.
We know there is pent up demand for the last of the Liberty Series, probably in excess of 8-10k for each of the finishes - with most demand leaning toward the proofs.
An offering where availability is only in the 5-6k range for proofs will sellout quick and be explosive for secondary market prices. The predictable outcome is striking the issue to "prior release sales" or "anticipated demand".
I'll be there on DAY 1 at noon, procrastinators and latecomers may be surprised at how low the mintage is and how quickly this goes.
<< <i>2. Our friends at the Mint have to plan their planchet usage very closely these days due to limited supplier capacity and they are ordering and striking coins based on “anticipated demand”. The thing is the Mint has been seeing mint state sales for these coins in the 3-4 thousand range this year and proof sales in the 5-6 thousand range. It is possible that the last of the four coin Liberty short set has been short stuck relative to its sales potential. >>
I agree completely. Very high possibility of very low numbers.