Toned SAEs...last of the submissions I sent in end of September

Bochiman

Finally graded and got results this AM.

All were blast white before sitting out in my closet at sometime in the last 12-24 months.
None were exposed to anything "special" or any heat source/chemical/etc.

All graded...one only MS67

Anyone see any toned SAEs that get MS69? I've only ever gotten MS68 (and now a MS67)

guitarwes

congrats on all of them grading. I think I've seen some toned MS69 SAE's, but I think they toned in the holder.

pics of those you sent in?

-wes

Bochiman

Wes, I will get some pics up...I took some quick/hasty ones right before they went in (I damaged my hand right before that and was trying to do it all 1-handed so they really aren't good) and will do ones when they get back if I need to. I need to get the pics online though so that may have to be this evening.

I'm happy with these and have been thinking of either selling them or doing a toned set (I already have a 2005 and another earlier date one in PCGS MS 68 that I sent in a year ago).

coinsarefun

I think that's pretty dang good
It validates the toning

Congrat's


Show some of the images for the ones who missed out






Stefanie

Bochiman

Ok, found a few that I had uploaded.
Pretty sure this is them....though I may have to check as I have a few dupes and I didn't send everything in (wasn't sure if they would get MS68 or less).
Reverses are pretty much blast white so I didn't bother uploading their images earlier. The spottiness is most likely dust particles since they were exposed to open air the whole time...no spittle like someone thought before.





and, a little montage.....

kieferscoins

If I buy a bucket of 500 silver eagles how much would you charge to store them in your closet for 1 year?


AWESOME toning.

Cameron Kiefer

Steve27

Heavily toned coins will not get a 69 (unless it happens after slabbing).

Toning = Rust = Damage to the surface of the coin

ModernCoinMart

Neither grading service seems to like to grade heavilly toned ASEs as MS69. I can't remember having seen any. If it's light toning around the rim, that's one story, but completely toned over coins just don't seem to get called 69.

guitarwes

man those are nice! I'm in with Kiefer, how much for the 12 month storage fee?

I recently purchased 3 SAE's that came right out of a Mint roll toned, more like your 2006 with just a bit more color.

-wes

braddick

<< <i>Neither grading service seems to like to grade heavilly toned ASEs as MS69. I can't remember having seen any. If it's light toning around the rim, that's one story, but completely toned over coins just don't seem to get called 69. >>





And this one missed it by one point:

mach19

Ron, are the places that are not toned milk spot's?

Bochiman

<< <i>If I buy a bucket of 500 silver eagles how much would you charge to store them in your closet for 1 year?


AWESOME toning.

Cameron Kiefer >>



Thanks Cam
I don't get "rainbow toned" but I also don't put them in my bathroom or near other stuff.
Any of them dated prior to 2002 are from another source (sometimes in the cardboard holders and sometimes in rolls) as I didn't start until 2002.
So, the 1988 and 1990 are, from memory, "two toned"....they had some toning, not heavy, when I got them and then were just left out in the office for awhile. I like displaying them sometimes.

George - aside from the one that Pat just posted, that is a MS69, I would agree...I can't recall seeing any others and I think it is because they are toned. I also, like I said, don't get the rainbow toning, but, again, I don't put them in napkins/tissues/etc etc etc. This is literally in the air that I breath and the bottom of the coin sits on something (usually the cardboard box from a USMint set since I have a few of those stacked in the closet (the cheaper stuff that doesn't have room in the SDB)) but has nothing chemically around it.

David - I don't think the ones in this picture are. I will recheck when I get them. Some of it is certainly dust as it does get dusty and I have to dust things occassionally, but I am not a great housekeeper.
I did have one that I don't think I sent in that is toned like this but may have a milkspot...not sure yet.

nicetoning42107

I have seen a moderately toned MS69 Silver Eagle besides Pat's. NGC holder.

kryptonitecomics

What's interesting is that a few of those coins have a classic AT look as described to me and they just sat exposed to the normal contaminants in one's house Please don't read into my post that I feel the coins are AT....I am actually suprised since I have seen examples described as AT with the same toning with untoned spots so if they aren't AT then I have passed up a few nice ones. I will say that I have only experimented with a few ASE's so I don't have a clue what one would look like if I just sat it on a shelf....so possibly I might get the same results.

Bochiman

<< <i>What's interesting is that a few of those coins have a classic AT look as described to me and they just sat exposed to the normal contaminants in one's house Please don't read into my post that I feel the coins are AT....I am actually suprised since I have seen examples described as AT with the same toning with untoned spots so if they aren't AT then I have passed up a few nice ones. I will say that I have only experimented with a few ASE's so I don't have a clue what one would look like if I just sat it on a shelf....so possibly I might get the same results. >>




Shane, I would, unequivocably, state that, under all but the most crazy definitions of AT (ie...those that feel if the mint didn't tone it it can't be NT), that these are 100% NT but 99% of Sothe definitions (the 1% being what I stated already).

The untoned spots, on SAEs, are, to what I have seen before, milkspots (which is why David/Mach asked his question) and dust particles (which my house/carpet/office/room/closet have more than enough of).
Due to the fact that they just sit out, any particle that settles on them will cover the metal and likely not tone. At least, that is what I am noticing. As said in a previous post, none of these were wrapped in anything (napkin, towel, etc), so any air particle can and will set on them.

One thing I have also noticed.....the earlier year SAEs have a more smooth toning to them. The way the metal is done is what I think it is.

I have put probably a dozen+ in the closet over the last 2 years....a few are in binders and a few that I have given out as gifts. I have submitted 9 total and 9 have slabbed (8-MS68, 1-MS67). I feel very comfortable that these are NT, as does PCGS ) (yes, I know people AT and they still slab, but I stand behind these as much as anyone can....anything 2002 and later, I know for a fact came out of a green tube blast white and it is only the air I breath, while they sit out, that tones them.....I will post one soon, that was in a velvet holder, raw, that I had for my Australian Lunar year silver series...that one toned pretty weird).

messydesk

Those two the Braddick posted reminded me that I watched Speed Racer on the flight home Friday. I'm not cuckoo about all the toning. A little dark for my tastes, and possibly also PCGS's. Makes it hard to examine the surfaces for the imperfections they look for at that level.

Bochiman

<< <i>Those two the Braddick posted reminded me that I watched Speed Racer on the flight home Friday. I'm not cuckoo about all the toning. A little dark for my tastes, and possibly also PCGS's. Makes it hard to examine the surfaces for the imperfections they look for at that level. >>



I am sure that you do realize, absent abuse and mis-storage, that most SAEs come out of the holders as MS67+ anyway, right?

WingedLiberty1957

@Bochiman said:

Anyone see any toned SAEs that get MS69? I've only ever gotten MS68 (and now a MS67)

This is one I owned a few years ago ...
PCGS MS69

ricko

Really?????? Cheers, RickO

Swampboy

Sweet!!

Stooge

I've sent in a small handful of nicely toned SAE's and the highest grade received is the dreaded MS68. Actually it's the only grade I have received for my toned eagles.