Should I resubmit an old green holder?

bigslur · August 30, 2008 8:22AM

I have an 1901-O morgan pcgs ms65 CAC verified old green holder. The question is should I resubmit it? The price value difference is $600 between ms65 and ms66 I think it would grade ms67 trying to find online photos of ms66 and higher but have not found yet. Let me know I have it on ebay right now 8/30/08 also please respond if you know where to find online photos so I may compare. Thanks for your time.

BAJJERFAN · August 30, 2008 8:28AM

Care to link your eBay listing. Its only a $700 coin in 66 so it can't be THAT scarce. If it had a real shot to bump, it would have gotten a yellow sticker.

Barndog · August 30, 2008 8:32AM

nice touch too...spam with your first post

coinbuf · August 30, 2008 8:32AM

Well there are three MS66's that I counted on ebay right now, you could start by looking at those, as a side note I dont see yours on ebay??? As to your question on the resubmission, well its a coin flip so the question is do you feel lucky

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Edited to add: There are two NGC MS65's in old fattie holders as well on the bay now.

garsmith · August 30, 2008 8:43AM

<< nice touch too...spam with your first post >>

I don't get the spam comment; they didn't try to sell anything or link to an auction or self promote, where is the spam am I missing smoething

Anyways if CAC just gave it a green bean they think the TPG was solid with the grade so chances are you wont upgrade with the same TPG, you might if you cross.

Also if you want to see images of 01-O's in 66 and 67 try the Heritage auction archives www.heritagecoins.com

Raybo · August 30, 2008 8:52AM

<< nice touch too...spam with your first post >>

Ray

Athena · August 30, 2008 8:56AM

<< 

<< nice touch too...spam with your first post >>

I don't get the spam comment; they didn't try to sell anything or link to an auction or self promote, where is the spam am I missing smoething

Anyways if CAC just gave it a green bean they think the TPG was solid with the grade so chances are you wont upgrade with the same TPG, you might if you cross.

Also if you want to see images of 01-O's in 66 and 67 try the Heritage auction archives www.heritagecoins.com >>

I'm just a part-timer here and it was very obvious to me that the OP stated "check out my coin on ebay" with his/her statement. Sometimes it is a good idea to take off the rose-colored glasses.

CarlWohlforth · August 30, 2008 8:57AM

Welcome to the forums!

I can tell without looking it would never make 67. I can tell that by checking the greysheet and seeing that a MS 66 is about $630 bid with the MS 67 at $13,000. It might be worth the $100 cost to see if it would upgrade. Worst case you are out $100 and you learned something.

If you think yours should upgrade based on photos you may be dissappointed. That is because photos rarely show luster and the overall look very well. They do show hits but super high grades require more than a lack of hits...

garsmith · August 30, 2008 9:01AM

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<< nice touch too...spam with your first post >>

I don't get the spam comment; they didn't try to sell anything or link to an auction or self promote, where is the spam am I missing smoething

Anyways if CAC just gave it a green bean they think the TPG was solid with the grade so chances are you wont upgrade with the same TPG, you might if you cross.

Also if you want to see images of 01-O's in 66 and 67 try the Heritage auction archives www.heritagecoins.com >>

I'm just a part-timer here and it was very obvious to me that the OP stated "check out my coin on ebay" with his/her statement. Sometimes it is a good idea to take off the rose-colored glasses.

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Ok, now I see the spam; When I first read it I thought they said they where looking for images of 66 and 67's on eBay. I guess I need to get my glases out of the car

BECOKA · August 30, 2008 9:18AM

If you really beleive it will go ms67 then submit but be prepared for it to come back the same grade. Most green holders are accurately graded by todays standard. If it is an old rattler holder the better premium might be worth keeping it in the old holder.

sweetwilliet · August 30, 2008 9:32AM

From the pics, it looks appropriately graded to me, but of course that is form the photo. If it was a 67, as said above, it would have probably gotten a gold sticker, not a green one.

sweetwilliet · August 30, 2008 9:34AM

Here is the link if anyone is interested. I have no relation to the seller.

1901-o pcs ms65

roadrunner · August 30, 2008 9:43AM

Unless you're absolutely sure of an upgrade...it's best to retain the ogh. I regret resubmitting many of my older holdered coins. There's a feeding frenzy today on older holders if the coins are pq. Pretenders would only gather an extra 5-10% based on the insert.

roadrunner

DustyCoinbox · August 30, 2008 9:44AM

I suspect that the scuffs on the chin and neck, and the pinholes above the bonnet would keep this coin at MS65. My humble opinion.

MisterBungle · August 30, 2008 9:45AM

This is a big can of spam, pure and simple.

The original poster cannot send in a coin
for a regrade that he does not own, and
since it is up for sale on eBay by him, it
looks like a big ol' spam sammich to me.

But I could be wrong.

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Steve27 · August 30, 2008 9:51AM

Coin looks overgraded to me; look how weak the strike is:

garsmith · August 30, 2008 9:52AM

It looks acuratly graded to me.

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 9:54AM

garsmith · August 30, 2008 10:04AM

OMG, TMI, WHF

You edited that one quick

Thought it might be your farewell!

ricko · August 30, 2008 10:04AM

Dayum Broadstruck... I almost puked......

Cheers, RickO

coinsarefun · August 30, 2008 10:07AM

<< 

<< nice touch too...spam with your first post >>

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mamm spammm a lot......I like .....

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 10:12AM

CarlWohlforth · August 30, 2008 10:15AM

I didn't find the coin when I searched. There is no O in the title.

OK, the photos aren't great. Luster looks to be lacking for a bump to 66. Clearly way to many scuffs to even imagine a 67.

Re and earlier reply New Orleans dollars often display slightly softer strikes so I doubt that should be held against this coin.

Spam vs. no Spam? Well we are not getting new replies but sometimes people don't realize how quickly we reply to posts here. My jury is out but is developing a slightly prejudice.

JRocco · August 30, 2008 11:38AM

I would leave that coin in that holder.

lcoopie · August 30, 2008 12:11PM

yes, why don't you resubmit it

SeattleSlammer · August 30, 2008 12:41PM

Hey, let me be the first (and maybe the only?) to welcome you!

I don't get the weak strike comment...it IS an O mint and looks just fine for strike.

At least from that small pic, it does look very PQ....I wouldn't go 67 but 66 does seem like a possibility.

Good luck!

direwolf1972 · August 30, 2008 12:54PM

My vote is its a solid 65 which is why it got a CAC sticker.

And as far as the spam, we arent all born knowing the rules here. I say we cut the guy some slack on his very first post.

kryptonitecomics · August 30, 2008 12:58PM

It's a 65....no chance for upgrade from what I can see and I would say that is backed up by CAC

bigslur · August 31, 2008 11:56PM

Well thank you for letting me know spam isn't ok. I thought by not mentioning the item number I wasn't spamming but I guess I am wrong.
I will be sure not to do that again. It is my first post and MR. BUNGLE I do own the coin now and have in my hand. I was wondering about resubmitting it because the old green holder bring in a higher premium. But after reading the real posts to my question I will not resubmit the coin. I am a member with PCGS and have submitted many raw coins but never an old green holder. I look forward to reading on and thank you to the REAL members who responded with respect.

MisterBungle · September 1, 2008 1:01AM

"Well thank you for letting me know spam isn't ok."
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No problem. I just didn't want you to become a Mister Bungle Like me.

After re-reading your original post, I think I may have been
a little harsh, sorry, but I do find it curious as to how you
can sell a coin, and resubmit it at the same time.

Want to explain that one to me??

Meanwhile Welcome to the forum!! Hope you don't have thin skin.

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blu62vette · September 1, 2008 4:32AM

<< Well thank you for letting me know spam isn't ok. I thought by not mentioning the item number I wasn't spamming but I guess I am wrong.
I will be sure not to do that again. It is my first post and MR. BUNGLE I do own the coin now and have in my hand. I was wondering about resubmitting it because the old green holder bring in a higher premium. But after reading the real posts to my question I will not resubmit the coin. I am a member with PCGS and have submitted many raw coins but never an old green holder. I look forward to reading on and thank you to the REAL members who responded with respect. >>

Welcome Bigslur. YOu may want to turn on the pricate message function in your profile and feel free to advertise your auctions on the buy sell trade forum. I have an 1899-0 that matches that coin, also have placed my bid.

bigslur · September 1, 2008 9:33AM

bungle, I have never ended an auction early on that site but you can end it early, and the thought came to me to ask the collectors on here. Like I said it will stay up on that site, and not be sent in for regrade. happy labor day! Pray for our leaders! and service men and women.

bigslur · September 1, 2008 9:34AM

slammer, thanks for welcome!

MORGANHUNTER2 · September 1, 2008 10:05AM

bigslur- save your money - edit your ad on ebay - it is a solid 65 and no more than that- weak strike, certain hits on the obverse will hold it to where it is and since you or whoever paid $$ to gewt a CAC sticker on it- you wasted your money and time.

If it sells because you hyped your ad with the CAC bullcrap- then let the good Lord let you sleep in peace the day you move it from your inventory onto the next fool- will be a blessing in disguise.

bigslur · September 2, 2008 4:03AM

If it sells because you hyped your ad with the CAC bullcrap- then let the good Lord let you sleep in peace the day you move it from your inventory onto the next fool- will be a blessing in disguise. >>

morganhunter,
The Good Lord has saved My life and yours I am pleased to say I give at least an 10% offering on every sale to the Great Provider
I am sorry to hear the anger in your voice. As far as CAC I never knew of it before this coin or the different levels I don't think the ad is hype tool. I think its more educational. May you morgan have a blessed day!

Coxe · September 2, 2008 4:12AM

A regrade will mean they crack it out and issue a new serial number. Chances are, and especially these days, it will come back in the same grade. You won't be able to automatically get your green football back because it will have the new serial number, rather than the one in the CAC database. The graders will know absolutely nothing about th CAC sticker. They grade regrades raw. Crossovers are another story. An NGC CAC migth have a positive bias. Or they might ignore the sticker altogether. In any case, it willnot help a PCGS regrade at all.

bigslur · September 2, 2008 4:22AM

Thank you Coxe I decided not to resubmit the coin.

seateddime · September 2, 2008 4:37AM

resubmit the coin not type of holder

Elcontador · September 2, 2008 4:37AM

The best way I can think of to lose lots of money dealing with coins is to try and grade them using images. If you want to know what a 6 looks like, go to a big show and see a number of coins of your year and mint mark in that grade. Grading a coin from an image is the equivalent of buying a coin from a Coin World ad in the 1960s.

A green sticker means that CAC belives the coin is properly graded. Ie., the coin is not a dog for the grade; that's it. I have liked most, but not all stickered coins I have seen. You might get a properly graded coin bumped one grade if it has exceptional color, I did this 4 years ago with a 38 D Buff in a green label PC 6 holder. The coin was properly graded as a 6, but it had color to die for.

Should I resubmit an old green holder?

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