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Extreme Coin Show makeover. How would you redesign a coin show?

Is it just me, or do most shows remind you of the movie "Ground Hog Day"? They all look, taste and feel the same as the last one. It's like the same show over and over again.

How would you redesign a coin show from the ground up? As dealers and collectors what would you like to see different? Table formation and bourse layout rethought? An alternative to the rows and rows of tables with rows and rows of allstate cases on them? Onsite food?

How would you make a show more visually appealing? How would you change the way coins and inventory is displayed?

How would you change the way a show is publicized?

Think outside the box and let's see what this accumulation of great minds can come up with.



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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I would arrange the tables into a maze where there is only one way out.
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    Seriously though, give a ways and more give a ways.

    Take a percentage of the money that would have went to banners, posters, or other nonessentials and instead give away coins. Have age group give a ways, young people could place their name in a hat and win a coin, have a give a way every half hour.

    That would keep people in the room… and most likely keep them buying from dealers.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    There are some detailed posts from the past on this subject. You might want to search for them.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Coins, medals, tokens, and paper money only. Get rid of the jewelry dealers who toss a few coins in their cases so they can claim they are there to sell coins.
    2. Cut the number of days the show is open. Drop things like PNG days.
    3. No "early bird" badges.
    4. Wide aisles with plenty of chairs. No tables of less than eight feet.
    5. Encourage table sharing. It might bring out some fresh material from dealers who would not otherwise set up.
    6. Keep PA announcements to a minimum and make sure the announcer is a good speaker.


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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like armed security escorts available from the parking lot to the bourse and the bourse to the parking lot. For the larger shows I'd also like a shuttle bus with on board armed security to ferry between the show and the major hotels.
  • How about people dressed in costumes that represent historical figures found on coins? Mostly for the kids and maybe it could be just a Saturday thing. Picture opportunities or story times for the children with the famous folks like George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Ben Franklin, etc....(maybe a Type I Standing Liberty Qtr. for the men after hours!) image ...
    but seriously....anything kid friendly that would make them say..."Dad....we WANT to go to the coin show!" image
  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Seriously though, give a ways and more give a ways.

    Take a percentage of the money that would have went to banners, posters, or other nonessentials and instead give away coins. Have age group give a ways, young people could place their name in a hat and win a coin, have a give a way every half hour.

    That would keep people in the room… and most likely keep them buying from dealers. >>





    Not a bad idea at all. Keep 'em in the room means they're gonna be lookin' at coins = more sales for dealer's and the excitment of potentially winning something.

    Having only been to only 1 coin show ever (and it was less than 100 tables), I assume that the basic setup is the same at most all shows....i.e. Dealer's crammed together with limited space at each dealer's table to plop down and browse, and parking 100 miles away from the show's room.

    I'll just have to go to another coin show soon and compare the differences.

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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you could have kiosks with computers with links to every dealers website as well as their table. Rather than searching the tables, you could search their listings to find that special coin. Also sellers could post a coin and ask who is interested.

    Another idea is to have an instant auction. Sellers could consign their coin and within 1/2 hour it could be up for auction to people in the room. They can use their computer or the kiosks computer to bid or just bid live at the table. Auctions close later in the day and payment is due right away. Consignors get paid the next day.

    Perhaps people who know the coin business and many of the dealers could be availbale for first time buyers to guide them around, giving them advice on what to buy and what to avoid.
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  • CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭
    Is there an alternative way to display inventory securely other than allstate cases?
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  • Lots of LCD screens and audio.
  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there an alternative way to display inventory securely other than allstate cases? >>



    Like in a Disney Coin Show of the Future. There'll be screens of inventory everywhere, no real coins, just screened images. That's what we are all used to anyway.
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    In reading the latest The Numismatist, I notice QDB said that at the 1955 ANA (his first), the exhibits were in the center of the room, and the dealer tables were around the periphery. A couple years ago I went to a stamp show and it was the same way. The stamp show exhibits were mounted vertically on easels. Perhaps someone could devise a method of securely mounting coins in a display so they could be shown vertically as well.

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  • CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Lots of LCD screens and audio. >>



    I like it.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    First thought that comes to mind... for anything you want to do different that costs more money than the show promoter is already spending, you have to figure out who's going to pay for it.
  • jfoot13jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭
    BETTER FOOD happy tummies make happy customers
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    All shows must be held in open venues with concrete floors. Carpeting is forbidden. The water fountain – one only – is pay-per-use. General lighting will be as dim as permitted by the Fire Marshall. Tables will be placed randomly through the venue, with occasional location signs printing in black ink on dark brown paper. Dealers may use one 1.5v flashlight for individual coin display and one 25 watt incandescent light for general illumination. Candles and flares are not permitted.

    Dealers’ cases must have sharp edges and cracked glass whenever possible. Case tops would have sufficient dust to cause customers to sneeze, and never clean the glass – sneeze droplets and finger prints add character and authenticity to the contents.

    The sound system will be capable of distorting any human speech into an unintelligible muddle. No exceptions.

    No outside food. All food and drink must be purchase from the venue’s approved concession. These consist of prepackaged items left over from the Cat & Dog Expo, and such stale, moldy foods as might be available in nearby dumpsters or found on the floor of a community baseball park. Prices start at $7 for a raw hot dog of uncertain origin – the bun is $3 extra. Condiments are sold for 50-cents per packet. (Note: brown mustard is simple yellow mustard that is more than 4 years old.)

    Admission will be free, but it will cost $100(cash only) to exit for any
    Chairs: None.
    reason.
    Restrooms: None.
    Public transport: None.
    Meeting rooms will be over heated and smell of the Autopsy Room from the latest Undertakers’ and Funeral Directors’ Convention.
    Education Programs: None. However, coin collectors must examine all exhibits and will be required to “Oooooh” and “Ahhhhhh!” in appreciation of the 10,000th viewing of a fake 1914 Liberty nickel.

    Hmmmm..just read the other posts. Guess I’m describing the “current” not the “ideal.” Shows must, therefore, already be perfect - despite weak attendance compared to the Cat & Dog Show.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Kranky - That would make too much sense and possibly get noncollectors interested. Same for the interactive video and other ideas. We don’t want to dilute the hobby’s aging population do we?
  • CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭
    RWB, That is too much! image
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Give out SCD tokens to all who attend the show.

    Have Mcdonalds cater the event with inexpensive food.

    Make all the dealers shower, shave and wear clean
    cloths. The female dealers probably do not have to shave.

    Have a big screen with the financial channel on during the show
    with subtitles.

    Bring the shows out of the 19th Century and into the 21st Century.

    Have all of the Power Screwers IDENTIFIED with a huge badge.

    Free jelly donuts might be nice.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Like in a Disney Coin Show of the Future. There'll be screens of inventory everywhere, no real coins, just screened images. That's what we are all used to anyway. >>

    Disney charges $60/day for their experience. Do you think coin show attendees would be willing to pay that much?

    I'd guess not. image

    I sat at the entrance table for our club's coin show the first time we charged an admission (one whole dollar) and you wouldn't believe all the b*tching and moaning- you'd have thought people were being robbed at gunpoint. If you want more (or new or better) *whatever* at your show, somebody is going to have to pay for it. Lots of collectors won't- you can pretty much bank on that. Can you charge dealers more for their tables without chasing a bunch of them away, too? I don't know.

    Now, I'm not arguing against change- I'm just saying that there's a difference between what would be really neat to have at a show and what's practical to do. If someone can figure out how to make the neat stuff practical, that would be great.
  • CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If someone can figure out how to make the neat stuff practical, that would be great. >>



    Well said. image
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  • Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭✭
    Free beer for all customers
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    << <i>Free beer for all customers >>

    I think it would be more interesting if there was free beer for the dealers.image
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    I think a collectors area or lounge should be set up for collectors to get together and show off their coins. I have been at many shows where finding a place to sit and chat about coins is impossible. You find a chair and before you sit down someone is there to tell you why you can't.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Free ear and nose hair trimming station.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Seriously, start shows on Saturdays instead of Thursdays or Fridays. They can still last 3 or 4 days, but they'll end on Mondays or Tuesdays. That way if dealers want to go home early...





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  • Not sure how to fix this but dont you hate when someone sits at a table and covers up most of the dealers coins with his briefcase or coin albums or whatever. Wide aisles would be good and very good ventilation. All those lamps make me sweat.
  • Require Dealers holding a table to not buy from and/or sell to other Dealers during the time the Show is open to the Public. Require Dealers to post the PNG/ANA Etc. ethic based guidelines in clear view at the tables. Require Dealers to allow enough elbow room in front of the coin cases that will allow collectors to be able to comfortably sit and review coins without feeling like an intruder. This will, of course, require that the Show Sponsor supply tables that are deeper, that walking space be wider and possibly Dealer reduction. Oh, and please give Dealers adequate room behind their table for their use, so the Show doesn't have the appearance of a kindergarten room in turmoil. Please make certain that any public announcement system actually works and has clear sound quality. Please arrange for toilet facilities to be monitored for cleanliness, adequate supply of the required types of paper and soap and toilets that work. Respectfully, John Curlis
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Coin shows, as presently constituted, are not designed to appeal to anyone except hard-core collectors. Imagine you are a state quarter collector and hear about a large coin show in a nice tow – say Baltimore. Poke you head in the door. What do you see? A largely vacant garage punctuated by small lights. Concrete floor. A guard with AK47. The murmur of congealed voices. Only when your eyes become accustomed to the gloom, do you discern tables and rickety chairs. Nothing invites you in. Nothing says, come, learn, excite, enjoy! Nothing says state quarter collectors are just as welcome as pattern collectors.

    You don’t need “Hollywood” production values to wake up the venue, but you do need to reassess the event from top to bottom.
  • CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin shows, as presently constituted, are not designed to appeal to anyone except hard-core collectors. Imagine you are a state quarter collector and hear about a large coin show in a nice tow – say Baltimore. Poke you head in the door. What do you see? A largely vacant garage punctuated by small lights. Concrete floor. A guard with AK47. The murmur of congealed voices. Only when your eyes become accustomed to the gloom, do you discern tables and rickety chairs. Nothing invites you in. Nothing says, come, learn, excite, enjoy! Nothing says state quarter collectors are just as welcome as pattern collectors.

    You don’t need “Hollywood” production values to wake up the venue, but you do need to reassess the event from top to bottom. >>




    Thanks RWB. I think your assesment transcends being applicable to just shows but describes the hobby, in general, in many ways.
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  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    I can make it all day on coca-cola and copenhagen. image
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dealers stay until the the closing time posted on the show advertisements. Especially if admission is charged.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dealers stay until the the closing time posted on the show advertisements. Especially if admission is charged. >>

    Dealers are charged for attendance. So- will buyers be required to be there until closing, too? image
  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    Here are my suggestions:

    1) If a dealer who has paid for a table expects he will leave early, post in the convention schedule approximately when he'll be leaving. (Yes I know this depends on how he did at the auction and in early dealer-to-dealer transactions, but many of the big name dealers can be expected to start packing up around 1 PM Sat. on the typical Wed. through Sunday show).

    2) If a dealer expects to stay until the last hour the bourse is open, publish this too, and provide a listing of dealers who will be open for business until the very end.

    3) Require dealers to post the mininum amount a collector will have to spend with them before they acknowledge their presence at their table. My biggest turnoff at shows has been walking up to a dealer's table with $500 cash in pocket unable to say hello or get the time of day from the folks behind the table. Cover charges work in the jazz business, why not the coin business?

    4) The main food concession should be awarded to a well known large purveyor of fast food with some relatively healthy options (Wendy's, McDonald's, KFC, etc.) on the condition that they provide a large seating for people purchasing ar least one item to sit down and transact business there. Ideally, prices will not exceed 150% of those charged in their nearest franchise.

    5) Allow space for an alternative food vendor who offers something unusual (like West African fufu and soup, Swedish pankakes with lingonberries and pickled herring, or Ethiopian anjara), again with sufficient tables for meetings and transactions to paid diners.

    6) Parking fees should not exceed admission charges when there is more than a ten minute walk between the parking space and the bourse, unless the show promoter is willing to provide armed escorts upon request for a collector or dealer coming or going.

    7) P.A. systems should not be used to serve collectors or dealers with a summons from anyone. We're here to check out coins, not to enrich lawyers.

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  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Have all of the Power Screwers IDENTIFIED with a huge badge.

    << <i>

    LMAO

    All good sugestions folks.

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    In the far corner of the bourse is a large wrestling ring. That is where Laura and the coin doctors can have a cage match!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭


    << <i>Two words… Dancing girls and alcohol (okay, maybe three words!) image >>



    We got those here in Vegas plus lots of convention space and relatively cheap luxury rooms. So why don't they move the LBC&S show here image

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