"Hard Times Token" image post... for Hard Economic Times :(

Broadstruck · July 20, 2008 1:52AM

HT-M21

copperfan · July 20, 2008 1:54AM

Wonderful piece. Also, great idea for a thread. Ill have to go dig out some of mine and take some pictures I see

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Broadstruck · July 20, 2008 2:02AM

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Wonderful piece. Also, great idea for a thread. Ill have to go dig out some of mine and take some pictures I see

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Thanks... go take some pics!

coinsarefun · July 20, 2008 2:04AM

<< HT-M21

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Can I post this one right after you mail it to me???

Oh well........I thought not

So I will post this one.

Stefanie

JZrarities · July 20, 2008 2:06AM

WHOAH !!!

Nice Birdie.

Julian · July 20, 2008 2:19AM

For you HTT enthusiasts, Stack's is offering the Dice & Hicks collection Monday, 7/28, prior to the ANA in Baltimore. It is in some respects even more important the the Ford collection.

Broadstruck · July 20, 2008 2:28AM

coinsarefun · July 20, 2008 2:42AM

LindeDad · July 20, 2008 2:57AM

Seems to fit.

Blackborder · July 20, 2008 3:20AM

I'm not a hard times token expert by any means, in fact I know little about them in general, but I've always wondered about the Chicago token and whether or not the 1837 date is when the token was actually struck. Chicago was founded in 1833 (previously Ft. Dearborn) with a population of 350. In 1840, the population was 4000. I'd guess the population in 1837 was probably 2000-2500.

It seems improbable that someone would issue tokens in a "town" that small, especially a "western" town. Chicago was incorporated as a city in 1837. I think the token was probably struck in the 1850's with the 1837 commemorative date. I guess it could probably be narrowed down by looking at Chicago busines directories from the period. Does anyone know what the Rulau book says about the token?

mrearlygold · July 20, 2008 3:26AM

A Mini Grading set

Dang, no 61's, 60's 58's but here's a 55

It's all downhill from there

ziggy29 · July 20, 2008 3:31AM

Cool images. In fact, these tokens remind me how soft we've become as a society to think these are "terrible economic times" we're living in now.

mgoodm3 · July 20, 2008 3:35AM

Broadstruck · July 20, 2008 3:39AM

Broadstruck · July 20, 2008 5:19AM

<< For you HTT enthusiasts, Stack's is offering the Dice & Hicks collection Monday, 7/28, prior to the ANA in Baltimore. It is in some respects even more important the the Ford collection. >>

Julian Thanks!

coinsarefun · July 21, 2008 1:28AM

How about a few more for today?

Stefanie

Broadstruck · July 31, 2008 7:46AM

Broadstruck · July 31, 2008 7:54AM

<< For you HTT enthusiasts, Stack's is offering the Dice & Hicks collection Monday, 7/28, prior to the ANA in Baltimore. It is in some respects even more important the the Ford collection. >>

This auction hammered some intense final bids!

CommemDude · July 31, 2008 8:01AM

lordmarcovan · July 31, 2008 8:04AM

After all of this eye candy, somebody needed to post a Hard Times token that had a hard time.

coinsarefun · July 31, 2008 8:08AM

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<< For you HTT enthusiasts, Stack's is offering the Dice & Hicks collection Monday, 7/28, prior to the ANA in Baltimore. It is in some respects even more important the the Ford collection. >>

This auction hammered some intense final bids!

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You can say that again......dang!

Stefanie

Rulau notes:

"In 1846, and until the outbreak of the Civil War, Charleston was one of the principal slave marts in America. It's auction houses thrived on the sale of Negroes and other property. These slave-related pieces have become very popular recently, thus causing a dramatic price increase"

lordmarcovan · July 31, 2008 8:32AM

That one is totally cool. What's with the flower-shaped countermarks?

coinsarefun · July 31, 2008 8:37AM

<< That one is totally cool. What's with the flower-shaped countermarks? >>

I was speaking to Savoyspecial and he looked it up and found no matches for the counterstamp.
He also said that the dies do not match his 3rd edition book either.
It may appear that the obverse die was from one particular token and reverse from another.

Stefanie

Quarternut · July 31, 2008 8:47AM

From the "Hard Times" era...

HOUCKS PANACEA , the famous "snake medicine" of it's day. Here is a little more background from an article I published in the John Reich Journal for December 2006 (Vol. 17/3 pg. 28).

HOUCKS / PANACEA / BALTIMORE

The coins found with this countermark are one of the most popular and sought after counterstamps, as they are part of the “Hard Times” token series and are generally found on Bust Half Dollars.

Dr. Jacob Houck came to Baltimore Maryland in 1828 and opened a dry goods business at 121 West Baltimore St. It wasn’t until 1834 that he began selling “Botanic Panacea” for $1.50 a bottle and advertised in the 1835 to 1842 business directories.

Proported to cure almost all ills including: Dyspepsin, loss of appetite, indigestion, inflamation of the stomach, heartburn, diarrhea, dysentory or flux, piles, fistola, obstructed monstruation, ague and fever, bilious or remittent fever, typhus fever, scarlet fever, small pox, St. Anthoney's fire, asthma, pleurisy, measeles, yellow fever, wind on the stomach or bowels, cholera morbus, consuption, influenza, colds, coughs, inflammation of the chest, palsy, gout, rheumatism, whooping cough, croup, dropsy, rickets, diseases of the liver, jaundice, difficulty of making urine, hysterics, mercurial and venereal diseases, ulcers, sores, etc. (The main ingredients were most likely alcohol or opium, cocaine or some such other "cure")

This Panacea was sold at various business address locations including 16 Hanover St. (which was listed in a full page ad in Matchett’s Baltimore Director in 1842) up until the 1850’s. Henry T. Houck became proprietor of the firm in 1851 and in later years probably licensed it for others to sell, as there is an 1855 advertisement in a Nashville Tennessee directory by a A.G. Goodlet for “Houck’s Improved Panacea & Goodlet’s Vegetable Lineament” listed at No. 29 1/2 Cherry St. Nashville Tennessee.

And here is an original bottle that the elixer was sold in...

QN

coinsarefun · July 31, 2008 9:02AM

Broadstruck · July 31, 2008 11:59AM

SpaceMonkey · July 31, 2008 12:03PM

Broadstruck.... I love that token... especially in that condition! very nice.

-sm

Blackborder · August 1, 2008 1:22PM

I looked up the Peacock token myself. It's circa 1906. Definately not a hard times token.

Broadstruck · August 15, 2008 12:37AM

Good Morning... If anyone has a Stack's Dice & Hicks collection auction catalog they don't want please PM me

coinsarefun · August 15, 2008 12:48AM

Desperate times call for desperate measures to keep oneself amused

explaination

Broadstruck · August 15, 2008 7:31AM

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 1:26AM

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 1:28AM

HT-70

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 1:32AM

BillJones · August 30, 2008 1:51AM

Well you guys have me beat grade wise when it comes to Hard Times Tokens. Most of my common ones are EF and AU. But I do have some rare ones. I collect the political pieces, but not the store cards.

Low #1, the "aged head" sub variety. R-7 (estimated population 4 to 12 known)

Low 7, R-6, (estimated population 13 to 30 known) I think this is among the better ones known.

Low 57, R-6, (estimated population 13 to 30 known) This was one of John Ford's "spares." He had a better one, but this the best example of this token that I have ever seen.

coinsarefun · August 30, 2008 1:55AM

<< I collect the political pieces, but not the store cards. >>

..............and some killer ones at that!!
Very nice.

Stefanie

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 2:20AM

Here's a great HTT web site HardTimesTokens

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 2:23AM

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<< I collect the political pieces, but not the store cards. >>

..............and some killer ones at that!!
Very nice.

Stefanie >>

I'm drawn to Unc and RB... there's just something about Lusterous Red pre civil war copper that I can't resist!

NumisOxide · August 30, 2008 2:29AM

Trying to find some other HT tokens I have pics of but this will do for now.

Broadstruck · August 30, 2008 2:33AM

<< Trying to find some other HT tokens I have pics of but this will do for now.

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Nice collection and a great site (Now Saved to Favs!)

I don't own a Low-120 yet, and not for the lack of trying

NumisOxide · August 30, 2008 3:07AM

Thanks Broadstruck!

Here are 3 more I have:

H. REES counterstamp

Broadstruck · September 6, 2008 12:36AM

coinsarefun · September 6, 2008 2:08AM

A real sexy looking token

Stefanie

Broadstruck · September 6, 2008 2:32AM

<< A real sexy looking token

Stefanie

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Wow Cuds and Clashed Dies... and what a Honker!

renman95 · September 6, 2008 3:15AM

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From what I've read, this is the impetus of the Donkey mascot for the Democrat Party.

Ren

coinsarefun · September 18, 2008 4:12AM

lordmarcovan · September 18, 2008 4:17AM

Broadstruck · September 19, 2008 12:30AM

Broadstruck · January 28, 2009 3:43AM

Broadstruck · January 28, 2009 3:44AM

BlindedByEgo · January 28, 2009 4:07AM

Looks like this one could use an oil bath:

"Hard Times Token" image post... for Hard Economic Times :(

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