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I recieved and email from the owner of ENGS (Elite Numismatic Grading Service) and here it is.
TO WHOMEVER.
ENGS COINS IS MY COMPANY,SAYING THAT YOU WOULD NOT PUT A MS 69 PEACE DOLLAR IN MY HOLDER IF YOU HAD ONE IS SLURING MY COMPANY. I TALKED TO MY ATTORNY HERE IN EVANSVILLE, INDIANA AND HE'S GIVING YOU 1 WEEK TO REMOVE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT MY GRADING SERVICE.OR YOU WILL BE IN COURT AT YOUR COST.
1 WEEK. TERRY JONES
Here is the webpage he is referring too: ENGS Page
If there's any lawyers on this board, any advice is welcome.
TO WHOMEVER.
ENGS COINS IS MY COMPANY,SAYING THAT YOU WOULD NOT PUT A MS 69 PEACE DOLLAR IN MY HOLDER IF YOU HAD ONE IS SLURING MY COMPANY. I TALKED TO MY ATTORNY HERE IN EVANSVILLE, INDIANA AND HE'S GIVING YOU 1 WEEK TO REMOVE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT MY GRADING SERVICE.OR YOU WILL BE IN COURT AT YOUR COST.
1 WEEK. TERRY JONES
Here is the webpage he is referring too: ENGS Page
If there's any lawyers on this board, any advice is welcome.
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Edited, well, I guess it wasn't the attorney who actually e-mailed you. Still, if this was even close to legit it would have been the attorney contacting you, not that jerk running that "grading service."
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Edited, well, I guess it wasn't the attorney who actually e-mailed you. Still, if this was even close to legit it would have been the attorney contacting you, not that jerk running that "grading service." >>
He can't spell slurring correctly either, but this is the owner's email not the lawyer's.
You're stating your opinion on the Internet...that's an awful stretch for libel IMHO. And who's to say it's untrue? There's no way to prove the coin in that holder is truly an MS-69, how is what you're saying untrue?
As far as your opinion, that is all it is. You said you would not have them grade a MS69 Peace dollar if you had one. Is his attorney going to tell you that you would need to allow them to grade it, even if you did not want them to?
You may want to change the comments to include they "threaten legal action if you comment on them". Hard to say it isn't true.
Russ, NCNE
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Russ, NCNE >>
Be in court at your cost means drive down to the court. If it even happened, I wouldn't even take a lawyer. I'd say the worst that could happen is they ask you to take down the page.
--Jerry
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Edited, well, I guess it wasn't the attorney who actually e-mailed you. Still, if this was even close to legit it would have been the attorney contacting you, not that jerk running that "grading service." >>
He can't spell slurring correctly either, but this is the owner's email not the lawyer's. >>
In the original post, I see spelling errors by both sides.
You may also choose to ignore my advice as I am NOT a lawyer.
where is the big old steamy pile icon?
ms69 my hind end*
*but that's just my opinion
If you stated that they couldn't grade for $#17 because their staff were all patients at the Helen Keller Hospital for the Blind.... then they could attempt to sue you.
"TO MR. JONES, OR WHATEVER,
MY ATTERNY WROTE SMOEHTING FOR ME TO TELL YOU, BUT SINCE HIS HANDWRITTING IS SLOPY, ALL I CAN MAKE OUT IS AN F AND A U."
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
<< <i>Ignore it. No way that Peace $ is a 69.
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The point is that it might indeed be an MS69 according to THAT COMPANY'S standards. Since there is no accepted standard that
the market MUST adhere to, and that PCGS and NGC both have unpublished proprietary standards that differ from each other and from the
"Official" ANA standards...those publicly criticizing other companies will continue to be at risk for lawsuits for stating "opinions" in a public
forum.
No professional (eg a lawyer or attorney) could possible write something so grammatically incorrect; and his cap locks appear to be stuck.
Also it’s not “slurring” a company it’s “slandering” and that is one of the most difficult court battles to win. Your opinion is not slander, slandering implies lying or deceit with the willful intent to harm.
What is this… “at your cost” no one is taken to court at their cost, they could sue for court costs if they win the case but, that’s a long shot.
He’s just trying to scare you.
Don’t even give it a second thought until or if you receive a letter, with letter head, from an actual attorney.
<< <i>Also it’s not “slurring” a company it’s “slandering” ... >>
Maybe he was saying it after a few Manhattans.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
<< <i>You could respond:
"TO MR. JONES, OR WHATEVER,
MY ATTERNY WROTE SMOEHTING FOR ME TO TELL YOU, BUT SINCE HIS HANDWRITTING IS SLOPY, ALL I CAN MAKE OUT IS AN F AND A U." >>
I laughed my ass off.
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<< <i>You could respond:
"TO MR. JONES, OR WHATEVER,
MY ATTERNY WROTE SMOEHTING FOR ME TO TELL YOU, BUT SINCE HIS HANDWRITTING IS SLOPY, ALL I CAN MAKE OUT IS AN F AND A U." >>
I laughed my ass off. >>
Now, what's gonna hold your pants up??
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Now, what's gonna hold your pants up??
The other side. lol
At the end of the day he seems eminently ignorable, and you are certainly not the only source of derision regarding his company on the internet.
Depends on your level of comfort in the potential of him actually following through. Given his communication skills, and the fact that he hasn't figured out your personal information, I would bet that the threat is an idle one. But it's your money, not mine, at stake.
Seems like a jerk, though.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
If the guy was serious he would have had the lawyer contact you.
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Not likely, in this instance.
Edited To Add:
There appears to be nothing actionable on the "offending page."
I would neither remove the page nor respond to the self-slabber.
If the OP is worried, he should contact his own legal counsel.
Send him a link to this thread and ask him to join so we could hear his side of the story...
Also looking for VF-EF Seated halves.
Sell me your old auction catalogs...
Also looking for VF-EF Seated halves.
Sell me your old auction catalogs...
Also looking for VF-EF Seated halves.
Sell me your old auction catalogs...
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
1. this company i've never heard of, do they offer a guarantee?? if not, are they saying that they dont trust their own graders opinions?? (by their definition, should they sue themselves for self-slander)
2. i guess next in line to be sued are Ebay and CAC since they dont recognize this company as an equal to PCGS and NGC either
greg
www.brunkauctions.com
<< <i>I recieved and email from the owner of ENGS (Elite Numismatic Grading Service) and here it is.
TO WHOMEVER.
ENGS COINS IS MY COMPANY,SAYING THAT YOU WOULD NOT PUT A MS 69 PEACE DOLLAR IN MY HOLDER IF YOU HAD ONE IS SLURING MY COMPANY. I TALKED TO MY ATTORNY HERE IN EVANSVILLE, INDIANA AND HE'S GIVING YOU 1 WEEK TO REMOVE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT MY GRADING SERVICE.OR YOU WILL BE IN COURT AT YOUR COST.
1 WEEK. TERRY JONES
If it is your opinion, that you would not put an ms69 coin in his holder
that is what they call freedom of speech
Have his attorney read the constitution
I am not an attorney, just a citizen
<< <i>Frankly, nothing good can come from replying. >>
To the OP: I would not reply with that email (or any other). You said several things that could only get you into more problems, if the TPG owner did really take action. The best bet is to say nothing and consult a lawyer if you think the threat is real and let the lawyer do ALL the talking.
It's not that easy anyway. If you live in a different state, it will be difficult to serve you. And then you have the whole discovery phase and the courts have to decide to hear the case, so you don't just "show up" to court and the courts are really so busy that it will probably take 2 years to really get into a court room. and any judgement would probably be small and difficult to collect. Slander/libel suits rarely go too far and most lawyers run from these anyway.
Like they say, " if you got 3 years and 30 k, then bring it on !"
Or move offshore !!
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Good Decision.
well know elite numismatic grading service
warning from elsewhere
Steve
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<< <i>You could respond:
"TO MR. JONES, OR WHATEVER,
MY ATTERNY WROTE SMOEHTING FOR ME TO TELL YOU, BUT SINCE HIS HANDWRITTING IS SLOPY, ALL I CAN MAKE OUT IS AN F AND A U." >>
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In his dreams, that is MS69 !!
Hahahhahahhaha
You don't even need a larger photo to see the marks on the coin.
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