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RYK
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If someone is expelled from the ANA (and therefore, no longer a member), can an active member learn the details of the expulsion? Or is it a private matter?
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RYK
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fear of a lawsuit for sullying someone's reputation.
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>If someone is expelled from the ANA (and therefore, no longer a member), can an active member learn the details of the expulsion? Or is it a private matter? >>
Have "someone" in mind???
<< <i>They publish a short blurb in the Numismatist about the expulsion. Years ago a YN was expelled along with his mom for "failure to pay ANA Library fines in excess of $200."
Cameron Kiefer >>
I guess you wouldn't be expelled for false advertising or selling overgraded problem coins??
this is a real question, not sarcasm.
Yes, and life-member dealers stealing tens of thousands of dollars from hobbyists is not as serious. Those people remain members....and apparently steer clear of the Library.
If you ever intend to bring up a complaint against an ANA member, insure that if you aren't a member than you sign up quickly then bring up your complaint. As a rule, they do not care about non-members who have been cheated.
roadrunner
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<< <i>They publish a short blurb in the Numismatist about the expulsion. Years ago a YN was expelled along with his mom for "failure to pay ANA Library fines in excess of $200."
Cameron Kiefer >>
I guess you wouldn't be expelled for false advertising or selling overgraded problem coins??
this is a real question, not sarcasm. >>
A few years ago they expelled Ken Pines for selling "whizzed, altered, cleaned....etc coins" The list had about 15 things he was expelled for. So yes they will.
Cameron Kiefer
Cameron Kiefer
I noticed that was 4.5 years ago, but I gained a little more
respect for the ANA after reading that.
1) James G. Holt, Crescent City CA. Expelled for indebtedness to the ANA in the amount of $1,044.95 for unreturned library materials
2) Kevin McNerney, dba Island Rarities, Boca Raton, FL Expelled for failure to respond to a formal mediation complaint.
Assuming that Mr. Holt did not borrow an exceedingly rare item, my thought is that $1,044.95 is a lot of unreturned library materials!
However, according to the ANA thanks to Mr. Holt apparently there is less library to utilitze.
When I saw the title to your post, before reading the text, I was wondering how you got yourself into trouble...
A few years ago they expelled Ken Pines for selling "whizzed, altered, cleaned....etc coins" The list had about 15 things he was expelled for. So yes they will.
And not surprisingly, Coin World didn't think it newsworthy enough to cover.
<< <i> If someone is expelled from the ANA (and therefore, no longer a member), can an active member learn the details of the expulsion? Or is it a private matter?
When I saw the title to your post, before reading the text, I was wondering how you got yourself into trouble... >>
I wrote it that way to draw people like you in.
<< <i>Sometimes my appreciation of British humor and attempts to mimic the art fail, as in this case.
In that case, shouldn't the word have been spelled utilised?
merely a flesh wound my friend
greg
www.brunkauctions.com
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A few years ago they expelled Ken Pines for selling "whizzed, altered, cleaned....etc coins" The list had about 15 things he was expelled for. So yes they will.
And not surprisingly, Coin World didn't think it newsworthy enough to cover. >>
They cannot bite the hand that feeds their advert revenue. I bought several Civil War era coins from Ken Pines once, returned them all, they were not BU as adverted.
<< <i>A few years ago they expelled Ken Pines for selling "whizzed, altered, cleaned....etc coins" The list had about 15 things he was expelled for. So yes they will. >>
Technically, he was expelled for not answering an ANA letter giving him the opportunity to answer the numerous complaints against his business practices.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Good one CCU
K
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
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<< <i>They publish a short blurb in the Numismatist about the expulsion. Years ago a YN was expelled along with his mom for "failure to pay ANA Library fines in excess of $200."
Cameron Kiefer >>
I guess you wouldn't be expelled for false advertising or selling overgraded problem coins??
this is a real question, not sarcasm. >>
you will quickly find out the ANA is a toothless old mutt.
the coin hobby is what it is because of their weakness to police
their own members.
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<< <i>They publish a short blurb in the Numismatist about the expulsion. Years ago a YN was expelled along with his mom for "failure to pay ANA Library fines in excess of $200."
Cameron Kiefer >>
I guess you wouldn't be expelled for false advertising or selling overgraded problem coins??
this is a real question, not sarcasm. >>
you will quickly find out the ANA is a toothless old mutt.
the coin hobby is what it is because of their weakness to police
their own members. >>
However, the real mission of the board is adhered to religiously - the collecting of dues and spending them fast and having nothing to show for it.
<< <i>you will quickly find out the ANA is a toothless old mutt.
the coin hobby is what it is because of their weakness to police
their own members.
However, the real mission of the board is adhered to religiously - the collecting of dues and spending them fast and having nothing to show for it. >>
Are you guys fixin' to be part of the solution?
<< <i>I am pleased that the Library is being utilized. Respectfully, John Curlis >>
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
I see where a member here had his reinstatement denied according to the current Numismatist.
Is that what you're curious about RYK?
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If you ever intend to bring up a complaint against an ANA member, insure that if you aren't a member than you sign up quickly then bring up your complaint. As a rule, they do not care about non-members who have been cheated.
roadrunner >>
And you adopt every single homeless pet?
I do adopt some homeless pets.
K
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
<< <i>Hmmmm......
I see where a member here had his reinstatement denied according to the current Numismatist.
Is that what you're curious about RYK? >>
I saw that in the current Numismatist. I wonder why he was expelled.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>I always read that section of the Numismatist, just as I always read the Police log in my small town paper. If a neighbor of mine is doing something shady, I want to know about it. >>
When I lived in Sidney, O. back in the mid-70's, the small-town police log was hilarious. They printed EVERY call, such as one from a lady who complained that children were getting field corn from the field near her house and throwing it at her windows.
Here in Chicago, garden variety single murders sometimes don't make it into the papers.
TD
<< <i>For what it's worth, in the current issue two people are listed as expelled:
1) James G. Holt, Crescent City CA. Expelled for indebtedness to the ANA in the amount of $1,044.95 for unreturned library materials
2) Kevin McNerney, dba Island Rarities, Boca Raton, FL Expelled for failure to respond to a formal mediation complaint. >>
About 6 years ago, I purchased several double eagles from Kevin McNerney when he had a New York address. He seemed honest at the time.
<< <i>If someone is expelled from the ANA (and therefore, no longer a member), can an active member learn the details of the expulsion? Or is it a private matter? >>
A liitle late getting caught up on gossip
<< <i>Hmmmm......
I see where a member here had his reinstatement denied according to the current Numismatist.
Is that what you're curious about RYK? >>
He he ha ha heh heh........
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<< <i>I always read that section of the Numismatist, just as I always read the Police log in my small town paper. If a neighbor of mine is doing something shady, I want to know about it. >>
When I lived in Sidney, O. back in the mid-70's, the small-town police log was hilarious. They printed EVERY call, such as one from a lady who complained that children were getting field corn from the field near her house and throwing it at her windows.
Here in Chicago, garden variety single murders sometimes don't make it into the papers.
TD >>
My favorite police log here was a few winters ago when some lady called the police to complain about a car driving back and forth "in a suspicious manner" in a local parking lot.
It was the snowplow.
That behavior would have been suspicious as hell if you (and the caller) lived near me in Florida!
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<< <i>For what it's worth, in the current issue two people are listed as expelled:
1) James G. Holt, Crescent City CA. Expelled for indebtedness to the ANA in the amount of $1,044.95 for unreturned library materials
2) Kevin McNerney, dba Island Rarities, Boca Raton, FL Expelled for failure to respond to a formal mediation complaint. >>
About 6 years ago, I purchased several double eagles from Kevin McNerney when he had a New York address. He seemed honest at the time. >>
There was a Kevin McNerney who was affiliated with Numistrust.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
I would think someone could find an answer in past issues.
<< <i>My favorite police log here was a few winters ago when some lady called the police to complain about a car driving back and forth "in a suspicious manner" in a local parking lot.
It was the snowplow. >>
Now THAT'S funny!
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>I didn't even know they had this section in the Numismatist. I need to check it out >>
It's near the back.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
I can't add anything about the ANA.
However, on the topic of Police Logs/Blotters being published in local papers, for your reading pleasure, I suggest that you get a copy of the "Pinecone" and read the Police Log/Blotter published in it. The "Pinecone" is the newspaper published in Carmel By The Sea, California. Carmel is the home of Clint Eastwood and numerous others with big bucks. Lots of senior citizens also. A tourist mecca and fun place to visit. The residents can be very demanding and like most small towns, very interested in what everyone else is doing. A well developed grapevine on which can be heard lots of scuttlebut. The residents also like their own privacy. The local police department is very sensitive to the wants and desires of the residents for discretion and for information about what is happening in the community. This results in some hilarious reports in the Police Log/Blotter.
The "Pinecone" may be online. If so, Google it, spend a few minutes with the Police Log/Blotter and have a few laughs.
<< <i>2) Kevin McNerney, dba Island Rarities, Boca Raton, FL Expelled for failure to respond to a formal mediation complaint. >>
There's a familiar name. Among other things, he started NTC.
Russ, NCNE