Guess the Grade 1852 Large Cent (GRADE REVEALED)
SirAnthonyAC
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Guess the Grade of this 1852 Large Cent... it's in an NCG holder and it's the best example of a large cent I own, if that helps at all
The white streak or line is on the holder
The white streak or line is on the holder
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ps: I may be undergrading because I may be misinterpreting glare on the crown and hair as hits. --Jerry
<< <i>try playing with the "gamma correction" feature in your photo software- it can make dark photos of copper coins look a lot more like the actual coin. >>
I did try Photoshop's "shadow/highlight" tool but the coin looked grainy so I just gave it a hit with "auto levels". The coin is more smooth when viewed 'in hand' and in the full slab photo where you can see the grade (which I'll post a little later), I'll look for gamma next time for sure, thanks for the tip!
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Looks like it has potential for RD/BN but either need a better photo or to see it in hand to make the call.
My grade 63bn
<< <i> Looks like it's been treated with Dell's Darkener. >>
Why do you say that?
slabed grade = ms-63
eac au-50
K S
<< <i>That looks tough to photograph. >>
It was, I used three lamps and custom white balance and a macro tube.
<< <i>63BN. Looks like it's been treated with Dell's Darkener. >>
You're opinion is fine and I guess anythings possible but, darkener is usually used on Fine to extra fine old copper, after it's been cleaned. Unlike Silver, there would be no need to clean a mint state copper coin then alter it... unless it was really crudy or something. But that would be unusual since this coin has no ware and its not a slider so it was most likely put away and stored well.
Is there a certin tone or color that makes you think that? Also please keep in mind, you're seeing a photograph and it is not easy to capture a dark copper coin in an image with a white background. It's honestly more Brown in hand but under bright light it looks more brown/red.
<< <i>real grade = au-55 >>
Wow! DorkKarl... you are a strick hard line grader! Ouch! That hurts!
Honestly though, I don't see a trace of ware on any of the high points.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>I also stand by my sticker issuance because it is uncouth to revoke a sticker. >>
Hi, could I ask... what does that mean?
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<< <i>real grade = au-55 >>
Wow! DorkKarl... you are a strick hard line grader! Ouch! That hurts!
Honestly though, I don't see a trace of ware on any of the high points. >>
not realy. circulated coins routinely get put into slabs w/ "ms" grades!
K S
<< <i>I'd say MS 64 BN...almost a 65 though, I think. Awesome coin!
-Paul >>
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<< <i>real grade = au-55 >>
Wow! DorkKarl... you are a strick hard line grader! Ouch! That hurts!
Honestly though, I don't see a trace of ware on any of the high points. >>
not realy. circulated coins routinely get put into slabs w/ "ms" grades!
K S >>
Some folks also take the position that weakly struck coins can't be MS, and should be limited to AU.
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<< <i>real grade = au-55 >>
Wow! DorkKarl... you are a strick hard line grader! Ouch! That hurts!
Honestly though, I don't see a trace of ware on any of the high points. >>
not realy. circulated coins routinely get put into slabs w/ "ms" grades!
K S >>
Some folks also take the position that weakly struck coins can't be MS, and should be limited to AU. >>
And some folks are wrong. Apparently, NGC didn't see any "trace of ware (sic)".
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Upper line of coronet is marked with dings and rim nicks
are seen especially on reverse.
Mid to lower grade AU IMO.
<< <i>Some folks also take the position that weakly struck coins can't be MS, and should be limited to AU.
And some folks are wrong. Apparently, NGC didn't see any "trace of ware (sic)". >>
Depends on who you ask. I'll stand by my 63 grade based on the pics, although I could easily rationalize an AU55.
Thanks for all the comments, opinions and congrats!
Honestly, I'd enjoy the coin equally as much if the holder said AU55 or MS64 or if it was in a 2x2... because it would still be the same cool coin.
Thanks!
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<< <i>Some folks also take the position that weakly struck coins can't be MS, and should be limited to AU.
And some folks are wrong. Apparently, NGC didn't see any "trace of ware (sic)". >>
Depends on who you ask. I'll stand by my 63 grade based on the pics, although I could easily rationalize an AU55. >>
Unless you can detect some wear, how can it be less than MS?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
What knocks down an Unc.'s grade in this series are contact marks in focal areas of the coin (that stuff on the Coronet is so trivial it shouldn't affect the coin's grade), carbon, and unattactive eye appeal. Re the latter two, I can't comment re the reverse, but it is too dark. There are just enough carbon flecks in the obverse to keep this coin from a 5. Can't comment re eye appeal based on the image.
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struck and often under-graded; especially after circulation.